which new agp graphics card ?

which cards would you rate as the better?

~£50
512MB Sapphire Radeon X1650 PRO AGP DVI/TVO (£55) OR
256MB Palit 7600GT GDDR3 AGP 8x Dual Link DVI (£60)

~£100
512MB Sapphire X1950PRO DDR3 AGP 8x Dual-DVI / TV-Out (£105)
256MB MSI 7600GT DDR2 AGP 8x VGA / DVI / TV-Out (£80)

(FYI I've got a P4 2.8GHz @ 3.09GHz on an ASUS P4P800-SE, 2GB DDR RAM, Inno3D 6200 which is pretty good for £25!, 320GB HDD, XP Home)

The X1950PRO is the best. Second place goes to the Palit 7600GT. The MSI 7600GT comes next and last place goes to the X1650PRO.

Rage_3K_Moiz I didn't know that. To bad that those cards are all 128-bit. I have an older 3.2GHz Pentium IV with a GeForce 6800GS I'd like to upgrade. I wonder how the 2600XT would fare against the X1950Pro.

Argh Cinders, you've got me worrying!

It seems from your spec that we may be in the same boat. Are you saying that your MoBo doesnt support 128bit? I cant that piece of info for mine anywhere! I've got a Inno 3D Geforce 6200 which is 64bit - is the ASUS
P4P800SE compatible with these newer 128bit cards?!

is the info at this site correct anyone? OK its in polish but the test setup they used put a 6600GT (128bit) on an ASUS P4P800-SE

http://www.czechcomputer.cz/art_doc-762B025B7A79E0EEC1257193003AAB7C.html

Motherboards have nothing to do with a card's onboard memory interface. A 32-bit card and a 256-bit one will run in the same motherboard. Cinders just meant that the cards are 128-bit, which is lower-mid end performance ATM. The fastest AGP card, the X1950PRO, is 256-bit and the fastest cards available today like the HD2900XT and 8800GTX are 512-bit and 384-bit respectively.

What Rage_3K_Moiz said is true, and I'll add that performance video cards usually start at 256-bit at the mid end and work their way up as high as 512-bit.

yes but - there is always a yes but - sorry.
For the system to perform at max it all has to operate in a balance. A blindingly quick card in a cr*p board is a waste of effort.

I don't agree. An X1950PRO in a Biostar or ECS mobo will work just as well as the same card in an Abit or GigaByte board. Not everyone wants to spend $120+ on a board when a cheaper one will do just fine, unless they need the extra OCing features etc.

It would be interesting to see which one performed the best, though! I have always found that the more expensive boards performed better overall and were not always worth the money just because of the extra goodies. Stick a Jetway board with the same chip, memory and other peripherals up against an Asus board at 4 times the price and whilst you don't get 4 times the performance there is a difference in speed and long term serviceability. That bit I do know as once I build 4 machines, 3 with Jetway boards and 1 with the Asus because that is all I could get hold of in a hurry and, for example, the windows installation time on the Asus was at least 25% quicker. All other components were the same.
Those 3 Jetway machines all came back 3 years later with fat caps. This Asus is still running after 5 years - due for retirement now though!

@AlbertLionHeart, quality has it's price, I know. But for general use such as surfing on the net or watching movies, cheap mobos like PC Chips ones are fine.

I think my motherboard is ddr2 it got sis 661 chipset in it do's this mean i can only use ddr2 graphics cards?
i can send my computer report to you to look at if you want i do not understand what it says

No DDR2 has nothing to do with GDDR2.

I don't know these thing's that why i ask is it a big job to install a pci motherboard?
because i am thinking it might be better to have a pci rather than an agp motherboard

ok my budget is £40

Fred, as you are in UK have a look at
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/119722
I'm allowing a bit for shipping.

This would be a better choice. If you can spend a bit more, get this instead.

i have found a asus N7600GS/HTD/256M GeForce 7600GS 256MB (256 MB) AGP Graphic Card for under £30 due to

if that does not come with some sot of warenty I would stay away from it as it states in the paste u made that the video card is bent and that is never a good thing.