Who Believes in aliens??
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Finchy
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I have a theory about the universe that I call
'The Box Theory'
If the universe is expanding constantly, then it must be expanding into something, there must be something outside the universe for it to expand into. Also, when does the outer thing end, there must be some kind of end to it.
Like a grain of rice in a box, if the grain of rice is constantly swelling, how long till it reaches the limits of the box. When it reaches the box, will it break out of it, or stop swelling, or how about, in it's need to swell, the particles inside crush up together so that they crush each other and the rice disintergrates.
That is what the end of time will be, either the universe will break out of the box, causing massive apocaliptic shockwaves and radiation, or as it tries to expand, the things inside begin to conract together until some type of catastrophic implosion occurs.
That is my 'Box Theory'
'The Box Theory'
If the universe is expanding constantly, then it must be expanding into something, there must be something outside the universe for it to expand into. Also, when does the outer thing end, there must be some kind of end to it.
Like a grain of rice in a box, if the grain of rice is constantly swelling, how long till it reaches the limits of the box. When it reaches the box, will it break out of it, or stop swelling, or how about, in it's need to swell, the particles inside crush up together so that they crush each other and the rice disintergrates.
That is what the end of time will be, either the universe will break out of the box, causing massive apocaliptic shockwaves and radiation, or as it tries to expand, the things inside begin to conract together until some type of catastrophic implosion occurs.
That is my 'Box Theory'
SOcRatEs
Posts: 912 +1
I'm late to this post but Im bored today
A quick thought:
{*= aliens, extra T's, UFO's, NTI's, other stellar life add infinitums }
USAF has denied * ,
The general scientific community has denied *.
All my previous teachers denied *.
Police and local authorities continue to deny *,
The media not only deny* but make fun of anyone who's seen*,
Yet the NASA community (even tho they've, on record, denied *) spends
BILLIONS$$$ to do, what I ask you, but look for what they are actively
DENYING ****.
Not only a huge waste of space but kind of arrogant don't you think? :haha:
However the biggest believers seem to be Hollywood and PC game developers. :darth:
A quick thought:
{*= aliens, extra T's, UFO's, NTI's, other stellar life add infinitums }
USAF has denied * ,
The general scientific community has denied *.
All my previous teachers denied *.
Police and local authorities continue to deny *,
The media not only deny* but make fun of anyone who's seen*,
Yet the NASA community (even tho they've, on record, denied *) spends
BILLIONS$$$ to do, what I ask you, but look for what they are actively
DENYING ****.
Not only a huge waste of space but kind of arrogant don't you think? :haha:
However the biggest believers seem to be Hollywood and PC game developers. :darth:
Eleventeen
Posts: 54 +0
I have always wondered about that. I mean, when does the universe end? Seriously, It cant just go on forever..thats..impossible. GOD it's making my head hurt thinking about it. Just beyond our comprehension I guess. As for aliens, Yeah they have to be real. Remember that time in California when 500 people reported to the police of seeing a bunch of ' Unidentified Objects ' . 500 people just dont form a mob one day and say, " lets lie to the police today ", Comeon, aliens HAVE to exist.
SOcRatEs
Posts: 912 +1
I live in Az where a couple of years ago, I missed one of the most sighted events. Fri, 28 Mar 1997 23:08:56 mst. Actually 2 on same night. Well over 2000 ppl saw them both and spanned the whole state. LINKEleventeen said:
I musta missed the meeting that morning too :haha:
OR
maybe I shouldn't trust anyone here anymore.
I cannot confirm or deny. I do not have enough info, pro or con but hopeful
billywompus
Posts: 8 +0
Alliens or enities form outside our known little scope of things are quite probable to exist and or either here among us now or visited in the past . However given the advanced technolgy they would have to use to get here what makes one even think they would be interested in a bunch of Dummies like exist here on this Planet other than for a food source ?? Our menial weapons would probablly be useless against some thing that could travel the Galaxies like we go to Arby's for a Sandwich .
SNGX1275
Posts: 10,615 +467
billywompus said:
My post above addresses this:
sngx1275 said:
It really doesn't matter how advanced their technology is, nuclear weapons rely on the building blocks of matter to work, that radiation plus the brute force of a nuclear explosion will mess anything up regardless of how "advanced" it is. Technology can't defeat the matter its built upon.
Eleventeen
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Gee, all this alien talk brings back memories from the movie " Close Encounters Of The Third Kind " :bounce:
zephead
Posts: 1,554 +0
yes, this about nukes is true. i really doubt that aliens would be able to fight a war with us here on earth, given how much it would take to defeat a world that has been constantly preparing for (and often engaging in) war. also you have the logistics of fighting a huge distant war. america fought WWII on two fronts thousands of miles away, but the sheer size of an alien war for earth and earth's distance from thier planet gives us pretty good odds.
and those sci-fi movies that show a marine emptying his M16 into an alien and getting eaten just the same are bogus, just like those jet li style karate movies where he dodges bulles. i truly doubt that anything is immune to bullets, or can get out of the way fast enough.
and those sci-fi movies that show a marine emptying his M16 into an alien and getting eaten just the same are bogus, just like those jet li style karate movies where he dodges bulles. i truly doubt that anything is immune to bullets, or can get out of the way fast enough.
billywompus
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roflmao ....it is these reasons that we will stay in the Galaxy we are in now . Nuclear weapons work on things as we know it since we invented it but would still most likely be inefective on an alien technology such as would be required to traverse the space involved to get to our little water world in the first place . Until we learn that energy can be created and destroyed and defy the current laws of Physics then we are and will remain ALONE....
ChineseTechie
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So why do you all have the intention that when aliens comes, we are going to have a war with them?? Can't it be more like Star Trek?? Aliens and human working together??
Concerning the "Box Theory", ..... -_________-", what did you eat before posting that post?? What are you talking about?? How can you compare something in the universe to the universe itself?? Can you look at a DNA in one of your cell and say, "ok.... that must be how human being works..."
cT
Concerning the "Box Theory", ..... -_________-", what did you eat before posting that post?? What are you talking about?? How can you compare something in the universe to the universe itself?? Can you look at a DNA in one of your cell and say, "ok.... that must be how human being works..."
cT
billywompus
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zephead said:
Oh I am quite aware of the concepts and actual function of the atomic plasmic principle however as I stated previously this is tech( we developed) in the late 1930's and early 1940's . Given the atom was only discovered last century then broken in to parts and now those parts are broken down three fold and we still don't know what those broken parts can bring us . Think about it if you split an atom under the current technology and get the catostropic results we have experienced what would breaking its components do . Regardless of what would happen if we detonated a Nuclear attack against any foe from another world it would serve no purpose other than anialation of life as we know it . You have to remember that in 1400 the world was believed to be Flat . For millions of years this was the principle of science and only in the last five hundred years have some of us learned differently .
Vigilante
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Has anybody even studied what an atomic explosion would be like in space? Can it even do ANYTHING without oxygen?
I hold a religious view. There IS a God, there are spiritual "unseen" beings in this universe. If it is believed, or at least mostly believed that humans have a spirit. Would it not hold true that there could be a greater spirit? Or the greatest spirit of all? Who created all others. If there is a spirit, does it HAVE to have a body to live in? If humans are just flesh and bone, why can't doctors put a bunch of parts together and kick-start a human like Frankenstein? Because LIFE, i.e., spirit, is given in the womb by God.
If there is a value called morals, who holds the greatest morals of all?
If there is such a thing as "good", who is the greatest show of it?
If there is such a thing as "love", who defines it ultimately?
And this list could go on to the hundreds. In other words, how could any person, until the beginning of time, define ANY "standards" when those standards are not based on anything but personal bias? Man could have easily said it's perfectly alright to kill someone for stealing. How come THAT isn't the ultimate standard of living? There is no ultimate standard for anything at all except that which God gave us.
The infinite vastness of the universe only explains God's own infinite nature. In such that, just because we are just one planet with one race of people, why would God create such a humongous universe to surround us? The answer is, why not? God isn't limited by size. He created it so we could study it and marvel at His power.
The phrase "the universe is extremely big, therefore there has to be life elsewhere" just doesn't do it for me. Space is extremely big, perhaps even infinite, but that doesn't mean there HAS be a banana floating in it, because it's so big. Nor does it mean there HAS be life elseware.
You realize the perfect of placement of Earth? You realize we'd all be dead and Earth would be unable to sustain life if it were "off" by just a little? If Earth's axis were different. Or if the rotation speed was different? The universe speaks of perfection, not chance and hodgepodge accidents.
Man has a hard time thinking in terms of "forever" or "since the beginning of time" and "infinite". Man can't reason such a concept. In other words, someone says God has always existed, forever. We can't comprehend that. How can something NOT have a beginning? You have to think entirely outside the realm of time and space and physical nature. Time and space were created by God. Perhaps there is no such thing as time? God created time for us with the Sun and Moon and He created years, months, and days. He created everything in 6 days and rested the seventh to put in practice the idea of working a 6 day week and taking one day off. This world, if you really think about it, gets most all of its traditions from the biblical writings. Things like our work habits, marriage, schooling, family, social behavior, government, etc... And it's easy to see that when these standards are thrown out the door, bad things happen. As seen throughout history.
If you said God existed yesterday, existed 10 years ago, existed 10,000 years ago, and go on like that forever, you would reach numbers that can't even be conceived. Perhaps "time" in essence, moves BOTH forward AND backward, and God lives in both directions never ending? Because God's "time" is not based on a planet going around a sun. Or based on how fast He ages. Because He doesn't live on a time system, He doesn't have flesh that ages, He doesn't need it. But humans do. It was created for us.
It really only comes down to those two things. You either think everything was created, or everything popped into existence on its own. Which is more feasible? I find it hard to believe the latter. I find it takes MORE faith to believe everything came from nothing, then to believe in God and creation. I mean, most people START with big bang. But what was there 1 second earlier then the bang? What was there? What created the bang, what matter was there in the first place? How did THAT matter come into existence? Where did it come from? Did some oxygen "pop" into existence on its own as well? Can oxygen pop in to existence from nothing? There are certainly no experiments to prove it.
Scientists can start mold growing in a glass tube and say life is growing on its own. Hardly. Life wasn't started in a lab room with perfect conditions and a perfect little container with the right chemicals and air quality.
If life started in a mud hole, where did the mud come from? If it was from rain, where did rain come from and the dirt? If the planet was a rock to start with, how did the rock turn to dirt? If the planet was all rock and dirt in the beginning, where did all the water come from? There couldn't be clouds and rain because rain comes from water on earth. So how did it form?
If the earth was not on its current rotation and axis and speed, where was it at first? If the earth were closer or farther from the sun, would it have water form by itself? We already know what happens to planets that are closer and farther from the sun. And those are far from having life-giving qualities.
So ya, I find it much to hard to believe life came from nothing and that matter popped into existence from nowhere and no one. And that primitive life forms, of their own will, perfected themselves into strict morals on living code of conduct. Humans are, by their evil nature, NOT prone to strive to excellence. Kids are greedy and selfish right from birth. It has to be spanked out of them. They have to be raised into proper behavior. So I find it hard to believe that a bunch of cave dwellers got together and decided to create morals and values and marriage rules and government all by themselves. Out of the blue.
People aren't born with a natural desire to do good. But quite the opposite. Our President is fighting to keep some good in this country, and others. Just imagine for a second if there were NO powers of good in this world. We'd be all killing each other and stealing and forming gangs and trying to be the most powerful and so on and so on. Take away the "good" restraints and this world would become kill-or-be-killed overnight.
All good comes from God. And is practiced for fear of Him. And for the good of others. Why would ANYONE desire to do good? Except he thinks there is a greater power than will punish him, why not do what you want? Most people wouldn't have a problem killing someone they hate, but don't because of to many greater powers. Some people think all old people not capable of doing things on their own should be killed. They say if an unborn child has some sort of disease or "damage" of any kind, the mothers can kill them. Heck, they can kill them for any reason, or no reason at all! Without fear of punishment, without greater powers, without enforced rules, people can and will do whatever they want. Which is more often then not, BAD stuff. But then again, who defines "bad"? What is "bad"? We have no idea. Unless you believe God created those standards.
Okay I'm done! I said all I wanted to say cause I'm sitting here, bored as the rest of you, and rambling. This is just a TINY pinch of all the reason I believe what I believe. And if you want to chat about it, PM or E-mail me. But don't turn this into a flame thread and try to argue with me. This is what I think and you WON'T change that so I'm hoping not to start an argument around here. Just continue the thread with your own thoughts on the question, and make an honest attempt not to flame me!
see ya round
I hold a religious view. There IS a God, there are spiritual "unseen" beings in this universe. If it is believed, or at least mostly believed that humans have a spirit. Would it not hold true that there could be a greater spirit? Or the greatest spirit of all? Who created all others. If there is a spirit, does it HAVE to have a body to live in? If humans are just flesh and bone, why can't doctors put a bunch of parts together and kick-start a human like Frankenstein? Because LIFE, i.e., spirit, is given in the womb by God.
If there is a value called morals, who holds the greatest morals of all?
If there is such a thing as "good", who is the greatest show of it?
If there is such a thing as "love", who defines it ultimately?
And this list could go on to the hundreds. In other words, how could any person, until the beginning of time, define ANY "standards" when those standards are not based on anything but personal bias? Man could have easily said it's perfectly alright to kill someone for stealing. How come THAT isn't the ultimate standard of living? There is no ultimate standard for anything at all except that which God gave us.
The infinite vastness of the universe only explains God's own infinite nature. In such that, just because we are just one planet with one race of people, why would God create such a humongous universe to surround us? The answer is, why not? God isn't limited by size. He created it so we could study it and marvel at His power.
The phrase "the universe is extremely big, therefore there has to be life elsewhere" just doesn't do it for me. Space is extremely big, perhaps even infinite, but that doesn't mean there HAS be a banana floating in it, because it's so big. Nor does it mean there HAS be life elseware.
You realize the perfect of placement of Earth? You realize we'd all be dead and Earth would be unable to sustain life if it were "off" by just a little? If Earth's axis were different. Or if the rotation speed was different? The universe speaks of perfection, not chance and hodgepodge accidents.
Man has a hard time thinking in terms of "forever" or "since the beginning of time" and "infinite". Man can't reason such a concept. In other words, someone says God has always existed, forever. We can't comprehend that. How can something NOT have a beginning? You have to think entirely outside the realm of time and space and physical nature. Time and space were created by God. Perhaps there is no such thing as time? God created time for us with the Sun and Moon and He created years, months, and days. He created everything in 6 days and rested the seventh to put in practice the idea of working a 6 day week and taking one day off. This world, if you really think about it, gets most all of its traditions from the biblical writings. Things like our work habits, marriage, schooling, family, social behavior, government, etc... And it's easy to see that when these standards are thrown out the door, bad things happen. As seen throughout history.
If you said God existed yesterday, existed 10 years ago, existed 10,000 years ago, and go on like that forever, you would reach numbers that can't even be conceived. Perhaps "time" in essence, moves BOTH forward AND backward, and God lives in both directions never ending? Because God's "time" is not based on a planet going around a sun. Or based on how fast He ages. Because He doesn't live on a time system, He doesn't have flesh that ages, He doesn't need it. But humans do. It was created for us.
It really only comes down to those two things. You either think everything was created, or everything popped into existence on its own. Which is more feasible? I find it hard to believe the latter. I find it takes MORE faith to believe everything came from nothing, then to believe in God and creation. I mean, most people START with big bang. But what was there 1 second earlier then the bang? What was there? What created the bang, what matter was there in the first place? How did THAT matter come into existence? Where did it come from? Did some oxygen "pop" into existence on its own as well? Can oxygen pop in to existence from nothing? There are certainly no experiments to prove it.
Scientists can start mold growing in a glass tube and say life is growing on its own. Hardly. Life wasn't started in a lab room with perfect conditions and a perfect little container with the right chemicals and air quality.
If life started in a mud hole, where did the mud come from? If it was from rain, where did rain come from and the dirt? If the planet was a rock to start with, how did the rock turn to dirt? If the planet was all rock and dirt in the beginning, where did all the water come from? There couldn't be clouds and rain because rain comes from water on earth. So how did it form?
If the earth was not on its current rotation and axis and speed, where was it at first? If the earth were closer or farther from the sun, would it have water form by itself? We already know what happens to planets that are closer and farther from the sun. And those are far from having life-giving qualities.
So ya, I find it much to hard to believe life came from nothing and that matter popped into existence from nowhere and no one. And that primitive life forms, of their own will, perfected themselves into strict morals on living code of conduct. Humans are, by their evil nature, NOT prone to strive to excellence. Kids are greedy and selfish right from birth. It has to be spanked out of them. They have to be raised into proper behavior. So I find it hard to believe that a bunch of cave dwellers got together and decided to create morals and values and marriage rules and government all by themselves. Out of the blue.
People aren't born with a natural desire to do good. But quite the opposite. Our President is fighting to keep some good in this country, and others. Just imagine for a second if there were NO powers of good in this world. We'd be all killing each other and stealing and forming gangs and trying to be the most powerful and so on and so on. Take away the "good" restraints and this world would become kill-or-be-killed overnight.
All good comes from God. And is practiced for fear of Him. And for the good of others. Why would ANYONE desire to do good? Except he thinks there is a greater power than will punish him, why not do what you want? Most people wouldn't have a problem killing someone they hate, but don't because of to many greater powers. Some people think all old people not capable of doing things on their own should be killed. They say if an unborn child has some sort of disease or "damage" of any kind, the mothers can kill them. Heck, they can kill them for any reason, or no reason at all! Without fear of punishment, without greater powers, without enforced rules, people can and will do whatever they want. Which is more often then not, BAD stuff. But then again, who defines "bad"? What is "bad"? We have no idea. Unless you believe God created those standards.
Okay I'm done! I said all I wanted to say cause I'm sitting here, bored as the rest of you, and rambling. This is just a TINY pinch of all the reason I believe what I believe. And if you want to chat about it, PM or E-mail me. But don't turn this into a flame thread and try to argue with me. This is what I think and you WON'T change that so I'm hoping not to start an argument around here. Just continue the thread with your own thoughts on the question, and make an honest attempt not to flame me!
see ya round
PanicX
Posts: 648 +1
zephead said:
Correction, it can detonate in any dimension that supports matter.
I tend to think that interstellar travel simply isn't possible because of the gross distances needed to be covered and the limitations of organic material to sustain g-forces to reach speeds that make this possible. Instead the only way to achieve travel across such great distance is through dimensional shifting.
And if an intellegent species has mastered the technology to reach through dimensions. A nuke can be easily subdued, if not having the energy redirected at the would be attacker.
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