Windows 10, the TechSpot Review

Kevin82485 said:
Use the control panel you prefer

Phone apps should be used for tablet mode

Other two are bugs that will certainly be fixed

When your four biggest gripes are very minor things and are your reason for trashing Win 10 you know there's a guest troll lurking about
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Wait am I using a tablet or desktop still, why should I be forced to see all these tablet features? Something you have to go into both control panels to change different settings for one section, aka the power options as an example.
 
Nice review. I have used it briefly to test the Xbox One streaming on my Macbook Pro and it was fine. I am using Windows 8.1 at work and I won't miss the Start screen. The start button seems a good compromise to me. I haven't tried the virtual desktops but as I do use them a lot on my Mac, I can only see that as a benefit.
 
Guest said:
If you have to make it free to sell it, it must be that great... Benchmarks will show very little to no difference between the two, however cooperate environments will NEVER move over to 10, also a lot of software simply won't function in 10, you're actually going backwards.
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As one of the most vocal of the Windows 8.x haters on this site and others like it, Windows 10 really is a HUGE step in the right direction.

Even Windows 8.x runs better, uses less computing resources, system RAM, and disk space than Windows 7. Windows 10 will take it even further. Windows 8.x and by extension, Windows 10, is proof positive that Microsoft has been able to seriously trim the fat off of the bloated mess that Windows has been for years. After all, Windows 10 is an OS built to run on low-cost and/or low-power hardware such as tablets, phones, and Raspberry Pi's.
 
I'm amazed at some of these comments,

seem like stubborn people stuck in the stone age.

I've got to be honest, I don't like the presentation of windows 8.1, but I personally bought a start is back license and an aero8 key (technically a donation but still), but I moved onto 8.1 as its better in every other way

as for the comment about not liking an os because it includes updates? well, that's good, I mean sure it is annoying that the pc patches itself every week free of charge, and yes, the 2 or 3 updates that broken windows out of thousands was annoying for some users, but if your posting on a tech site I would imagine you would be able to recover past that, unless you also don't believe the built in restore functions are worthwhile so they also get disabled...

I'm still not a fan of the 10 start menu, but its better, and I will probably end up using startisback again, and the aero glass utility

another glaring thing about this article, its compared it to mobile os's android and iOS both known to have major issues on every major release, and the lock down of those too, at the moment I believe windows phone is the most secure, and android the least secure, ios sitting between the two, but facts don't really matter, as most things in life, the most technically impressive is the least popular based on bizarre ideal's that always sway to the lesser product. any market you look at you will see, with maybe the exception of intel that the best product never sells the best, always an inferior one that has some amazing marketing, think apple, vw, Samsung, K & N, Shimano, the classic Henry vacuum, (windows xp which will spark some anger, but do a like for like test on an xp and a 2000 pro machine and I would be surprised if 10 out of 10 times 2000 didn't perform the task faster) pretty much all markets the better product fizzles out, and usually due to some stupid brand loyalty without any knowledge about the products

for me windows 10 has some funky design choices, less so than 8, but its excellent, and its free for nearly everyone with a valid license, I'm not sold on unifying app's, I don't see how they can run across all platforms without a performance penalty, think java, but for some reason that's always been awesome in the public eye????

its a shame this article doesn't really reflect on the technical changes, only the superficial, I haven't tested the RTM build, but I'm curious if its till includes IE, after all, will applications designed for IE work with the Edge browser? that's pretty huge problem if it doesn't, alternative browsers aren't really the solution in an enterprise environment, although many software companies do think its awesome to write sub standard web ui's that only work properly in chrome or Firefox, its a pain in the a$$ when forced to use them, especially when they replace a nice dedicated management program, or an mmc snap in that works flawlessly, NetApp I'm looking at you here!

I'm assuming like PowerShell has been improved in 10, I'm also curious to the improvements with Hyper-V if any, something more and more home users do use now, I appreciate these are more for server/enterprise users, but they are very useful features.

I'm not saying windows 10 is the best os, but a lot of the criticism is just people complaining for the sake of complaining, windows 8.1 from pressing the power button is usable within 5 seconds on most computers, how many os's can say that?
 
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If you have to make it free to sell it, it must be that great... Benchmarks will show very little to no difference between the two, however cooperate environments will NEVER move over to 10, also a lot of software simply won't function in 10, you're actually going backwards.
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Name me some software that "won't function" in Windows 10. Actually I'll save you some time - any software that works in Windows 7 or 8 works in 10. Period.

I can point you to benchmark after benchmark that shows that 10 is as fast as (if not faster than) 8.1, which in turn is faster than 7.

Also, I am the point of contact for the upgrade for our corporate environment, and we will be rolling it out this fall as soon as the IT team have tested it.

In short, your post is wrong on every count. Complete and utter bollocks.
 
"Name me some software that "won't function" in Windows 10. Actually I'll save you some time - any software that works in Windows 7 or 8 works in 10. Period."

Ok, Baldur's Gate II. Oh, or how about 90% of older applications and most everything on GOG. Windows 10 is a good OS but stop spewing lies about program compatibility. If every piece of software that worked on 7 worked on 10, microsoft would use that as a selling point. It's not nearly the truth. Hence why there's a compatibility assistant that microsoft recommends you run for both windows 8 and 10.
 
Guest said:
"Name me some software that "won't function" in Windows 10. Actually I'll save you some time - any software that works in Windows 7 or 8 works in 10. Period."

Ok, Baldur's Gate II. Oh, or how about 90% of older applications and most everything on GOG. Windows 10 is a good OS but stop spewing lies about program compatibility. If every piece of software that worked on 7 worked on 10, microsoft would use that as a selling point. It's not nearly the truth. Hence why there's a compatibility assistant that microsoft recommends you run for both windows 8 and 10.
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Nope, Baldur's Gate 2 works, as does most stuff from GOG. Here's a blog post from GOG themselves on the matter: https://www.gog.com/news/news_getting_ready_for_windows_10

Direct quote: "So far, things are looking great. We're encountering very few problems and most of those are either resolvable on our end, or likely to get fixed as Windows 10 nears release. In fact, many games that had issues on operating systems newer than Windows XP once again won’t suffer any hiccups on Windows 10. "

So again, you're the one spewing misinformation. Compatibility is pretty much just assumed to be the same as 7 and 8 at this point. You're trolling, you're out to lunch, get off the internet. Not going to respond to any more of your posts.
 
When Windows 8 came out I bought a copy and it wouldn't run correctly on my laptop. I switched to Linux and I have never been happier.
 
Guest said:
"Name me some software that "won't function" in Windows 10. Actually I'll save you some time - any software that works in Windows 7 or 8 works in 10. Period."

Ok, Baldur's Gate II. Oh, or how about 90% of older applications and most everything on GOG. Windows 10 is a good OS but stop spewing lies about program compatibility. If every piece of software that worked on 7 worked on 10, microsoft would use that as a selling point. It's not nearly the truth. Hence why there's a compatibility assistant that microsoft recommends you run for both windows 8 and 10.
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In case you didn't know Baldur's gate II required GoG to manually update it so that it works on win7. GoG said that they will do the same for windows 10. They will test each and every old game they have and they will update them accordingly.
But you knew that already and still decided to use it as an example.

And why would you expect an OS to support software that is more than a decade old (some are 2 decades old)? You want to play Baldur's Gate II? just use a VM or an older PC.

let me repeat what the other guy said: all software will work as intended. don't expect miracles for software that even win xp had problems with.
 
After years of using Windows through work, I purchased a MAC. None of the features here seem compelling at all, but a worthy effort at moving forward nonetheless. Once you go MAC, you never go back.
 
Legacy support is the reason why Windows became such a bloated mess. If you ask me, Microsoft needs to dump the legacy crap off at the side of the road and be done with it. Enough is enough with dragging behind us decades of legacy garbage like the boat anchor that it is.
 
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Legacy support is the reason why Windows became such a bloated mess. If you ask me, Microsoft needs to dump the legacy crap off at the side of the road and be done with it. Enough is enough with dragging behind us decades of legacy garbage like the boat anchor that it is.
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Very good! (y) That's the software engineer's choice but the marketeer's nightmare.
 
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Wait am I using a tablet or desktop still, why should I be forced to see all these tablet features? Something you have to go into both control panels to change different settings for one section, aka the power options as an example.
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You're not forced to use the tablet interface, so if you don't want to use it, don't go into tablet mode or whatever it is called.
 
Been playing with 10 on the preview thingy, in a VM....at least the default desktop is a bit better than the 8 default desktop. Having said that, I don't see any "need" to update my home or laptop 8.1 boxes yet (both came with 8, although I trashed the UI for the program classic shell).
 
I got a weird bug today. I couldn't uninstall any programs from the standard control panel, but it worked from the metro control panel. What the heck ???
 
Sorry for the typos. Here's the corrected segments:

Also, Windows 10 is a move to cross-platform the quicky OSs from tablets, Android and whatever. IOW, they are truncating the sophisticated windows experience to mimic cellphone touch software.

I do not want my software residing outside of my computer. I am not alone in that. Microsoft is making it rather plain that they want ALL my software OFF of my computer so I am forced to do everything ONLINE.

Perhaps that is okay with you. Maybe you think that is a good thing. I don't. It makes me more dependent on a corporation that has consistently shown the "concern" for customers of a bird catcher laying a trail of bread crumbs to a trap.(n)

Windows 10 is NOT better or more extensive or more sophisticated than Windows 7. Sure, it's FASTER. That is because it's in the oh, so innocent sounding "cloud".

As a previous poster said, it's time to move to Linux when Windows 7 is no longer supported.
 
Wow... so much hate...

While many of you are just trolls, I did read a few "issues" that are so obviously incorrect, I just had to add my 2 cents...

For the people claiming incompatibility, you are just fools... Windows 10 will run just about anything ANY Windows version currently runs... the reason many things don't work for Windows 10 now is because IT HASN'T BEEN RELEASED YET!!!! You're most likely using an older beta build - of COURSE it wasn't compatible with that... it WILL work on the final build - or will quickly receive an update (like GOG games that will be updated individually).

This also goes for the ignorant poster who posted "Nvidia SLI doesn't work on Windows 10"... It might not have worked for the specific title you used months ago on an old build - DUH!!! Nvidia hadn't released Windows 10 drivers then!! --> They have now, and you can find plenty of benchmarks showing that it works EVEN BETTER on Windows 10 - I suspect that DirectX12 will make this even more evident... As drivers get updated in the next few weeks, we'll only see more and more titles work with SLI and Crossfire...

Also, for those complaining about having to be online all the time... YOU DON'T!!! Much like Windows 8, you still have the option to simply not use an MS account - look it up, it's really not that hard...
And what's wrong with being "in the cloud" anyways? You can always select the information you wish to share with MS - just use it for Onedrive and the APP store if you desire...

Lastly, and I've raised this in other threads, I REALLY believe that if you are going to post a criticism of an article on ANY website, the onus is on YOU to provide some sort of evidence - like a citation, link, etc... Saying "Windows 10 is crap" is completely meaningless.... say "Windows 10 is crap BECAUSE it runs slower as posted in www.thiswebsite.com"... Then maybe we can actually have a reasonable discussion...
 
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Guest said:
"Name me some software that "won't function" in Windows 10. Actually I'll save you some time - any software that works in Windows 7 or 8 works in 10. Period."

Ok, Baldur's Gate II. Oh, or how about 90% of older applications and most everything on GOG. Windows 10 is a good OS but stop spewing lies about program compatibility. If every piece of software that worked on 7 worked on 10, microsoft would use that as a selling point. It's not nearly the truth. Hence why there's a compatibility assistant that microsoft recommends you run for both windows 8 and 10.
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Nope, Baldur's Gate 2 works, as does most stuff from GOG. Here's a blog post from GOG themselves on the matter: https://www.gog.com/news/news_getting_ready_for_windows_10

Direct quote: "So far, things are looking great. We're encountering very few problems and most of those are either resolvable on our end, or likely to get fixed as Windows 10 nears release. In fact, many games that had issues on operating systems newer than Windows XP once again won’t suffer any hiccups on Windows 10. "

So again, you're the one spewing misinformation. Compatibility is pretty much just assumed to be the same as 7 and 8 at this point. You're trolling, you're out to lunch, get off the internet. Not going to respond to any more of your posts.
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It's always funny when people disprove their own point. You said " Actually I'll save you some time - any software that works in Windows 7 or 8 works in 10. Period." Which is obviously not true because GOG is working on it. As of right now, GOG does not have a large amount of their games working on windows 10, "looks promising" doesn't help your argument that everything is going to work right now, out of the gate.

Who even said the guest poster was even referring to the GOG version?

How about this

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/preview-faq

Microsoft states that any software designed to run on windows 8.1 should run fine on windows 10. I believe that you said that all windows 7 apps would work, without question, and that's just not true. Microsoft doesn't not state that nor is that the case. Many DirectDraw Applications I have designed for windows XP and 7 cannot be played on windows 10.
 
Squid Surprise said:
Wow... so much hate...

While many of you are just trolls, I did read a few "issues" that are so obviously incorrect, I just had to add my 2 cents...

For the people claiming incompatibility, you are just fools... Windows 10 will run just about anything ANY Windows version currently runs... the reason many things don't work for Windows 10 now is because IT HASN'T BEEN RELEASED YET!!!! You're most likely using an older beta build - of COURSE it wasn't compatible with that... it WILL work on the final build - or will quickly receive an update (like GOG games that will be updated individually).

This also goes for the ignorant poster who posted "Nvidia SLI doesn't work on Windows 10"... It might not have worked for the specific title you used months ago on an old build - DUH!!! Nvidia hadn't released Windows 10 drivers then!! --> They have now, and you can find plenty of benchmarks showing that it works EVEN BETTER on Windows 10 - I suspect that DirectX12 will make this even more evident... As drivers get updated in the next few weeks, we'll only see more and more titles work with SLI and Crossfire...

Also, for those complaining about having to be online all the time... YOU DON'T!!! Much like Windows 8, you still have the option to simply not use an MS account - look it up, it's really not that hard...
And what's wrong with being "in the cloud" anyways? You can always select the information you wish to share with MS - just use it for Onedrive and the APP store if you desire...

Lastly, and I've raised this in other threads, I REALLY believe that if you are going to post a criticism of an article on ANY website, the onus is on YOU to provide some sort of evidence - like a citation, link, etc... Saying "Windows 10 is crap" is completely meaningless.... say "Windows 10 is crap BECAUSE it runs slower as posted in www.thiswebsite.com"... Then maybe we can actually have a reasonable discussion...
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The responsibility to provide proof lies on both sides on the conversation, not just the critics.

For example

http://www.howtogeek.com/219782/is-windows-10-backwards-compatible-with-your-existing-software/

Windows 10 does not have a windows xp compatibility mode and thus will likely not work with apps designed for that OS. So no, windows will not run software from any build and in fact is excluding a huge part of the windows ecosystem.

Windows 10 is already on RTM for those in the insider program. They are far past the point of extending program compatibility.
 
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