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Windows load screen at boot, looong black screen, then normal startup

By needhelp51
Apr 24, 2013
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  1. JC713

    JC713 TS Evangelist Posts: 7,020   +913

    Hmm. I wonder if me sending you a link from a Mac has to do with something. I doubt it though since the cache doesnt send.
     
  2. needhelp51

    needhelp51 TS Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 218

    I have tried to find the page without the link directly from microsoft page and I get same notice.

    I have downloaded seatools. I was required to install .net V4 also to be able to install it, which I did. I am currently performing the scans.
     
  3. JC713

    JC713 TS Evangelist Posts: 7,020   +913

    .net 4 doesnt hurt. MS patches it very often, so there isnt anything wrong with it. Tell me the results. Best of luck. When running disk check, did you select the option to automatically repair errors along with the other checkbox?
     
  4. needhelp51

    needhelp51 TS Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 218

    No I didn't, should I have selected that option? If so, I'll redo it after seatools scans.
     
  5. needhelp51

    needhelp51 TS Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 218

    Short generic passed. long generic passed. SMART check: passed. Short DST: Fail. Got scared doing advanced test because of data loss disclaimer, should I proceed? Should I use Fix short, Fix long? Any other option I should use there?
     
  6. JC713

    JC713 TS Evangelist Posts: 7,020   +913

    1. Open Computer by clicking the Start button [​IMG], and then clicking Computer.
    2. Right-click the hard disk drive that you want to check, and then click Properties.
    3. Click the Tools tab, and then, under Error-checking, click Check Now. [​IMG] If you are prompted for an administrator password or confirmation, type the password or provide confirmation.
      To automatically repair problems with files and folders that the scan detects, select Automatically fix file system errors. Otherwise, the disk check will simply report problems but not fix them.
      To perform a thorough disk check, select Scan for and attempt recovery of bad sectors. This scan attempts to find and repair physical errors on the hard disk itself, and it can take much longer to complete.
      To check for both file errors and physical errors, select both Automatically fix file system errors and Scan for and attempt recovery of bad sectors.
    4. Click Start.
    Courtesy of Microsoft. The underlined part is what you need to do. Check both options. Otherwise, the scan is basically useless.
     
  7. JC713

    JC713 TS Evangelist Posts: 7,020   +913

    I would remove any crucial files you have ASAP! Failing the Short DST test is a sign the drive can fail any minute. The drive needs to be replaced. Doing the error-checking will be useless. I would not use this PC for things other than web browsing.
     
  8. needhelp51

    needhelp51 TS Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 218

    Did the test before I could read your last post. Checked both options. Computer prompted me to restart to complete scan. No log or anything, so difficult for me to assess results. But ok, I understand you. I will backup all my files and look for a new disk.
     
  9. JC713

    JC713 TS Evangelist Posts: 7,020   +913

    Yeah, you just have to watch it as it goes to see the results. Just know that it fixed anything that was wrong. I recommend installing Windows 7 on the new HDD.
     
  10. JC713

    JC713 TS Evangelist Posts: 7,020   +913

    Can you post your full system specs so that I can recommend a new HDD?​
     
  11. needhelp51

    needhelp51 TS Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 218

    When I rebuild my computer, I usually use recovery disk provided with my toshiba which installs XP along with every driver required, me being no expert. A year ago, I tried once starting anew with windows XP cd after a virus infection and blatantly failed :), had to use the recovery disk to get decent operation. You think it's essential I start with win7? 32 or 64 bit? Do I have enough ram to use it? I am already maxed out.

    Toshiba Satellite P100, model: PSP3AC-JR500F
    x86-based pc
    T2400 @ 1,83 GHz
    x86 Family 6 Model 14 Stepping 8 Genuine Intel(R) 1,84 GHz,
    total physical memory: 4,096 Go
    available physical memory: 2,14 Go
    Total virtual memory: 3,00 Go
    Available virtual memory: 2,96 Go

    ACtual Hard disk: 112 Go capacity
    Toshiba MK1234GSX

    3,00 Go RAM available, 4 Go RAM installed

    Do you need anymore info?

    Thanks a lot for your time and patience.
     
     
  12. needhelp51

    needhelp51 TS Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 218

  13. JC713

    JC713 TS Evangelist Posts: 7,020   +913

    Use these steps directly from MS: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/clean-install. It is for Windows 8, but the same applies to Win7.Windows 7 installs all the default drivers needed for your machine to operate. Windows XP, Vista, and 8 do not do this. Since you have a Toshiba, that explains why you couldnt install the nVidia driver. They do not allow 3rd party installs.
     
  14. needhelp51

    needhelp51 TS Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 218

    Ok, thanks for the link. I will follow that one. For 3rd party, another mystery is explained.

    I did a few research last night for hard disk drives. Would this kind of HD work for my machine?

    (link removed by author)
     
  15. JC713

    JC713 TS Evangelist Posts: 7,020   +913

    Never buy HDDs from eBay. Even if the buyer is reliable, never risk it. You have a laptop right? The Toshiba P100?
     
  16. needhelp51

    needhelp51 TS Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 218

    Yes, model PSP3AC-JR500F
     
  17. JC713

    JC713 TS Evangelist Posts: 7,020   +913

    I looked on the toshiba support site and it says your HDD is a SATA drive. I am not really sure on what to recommend since I do not know what will fit. Most modern hard drives are too fast for your current PC. I would talk to Toshiba and ask them to recommend something that will fit your PCs criteria.
     
  18. needhelp51

    needhelp51 TS Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 218

    It's weird, on toshiba website, I can access my model through the menu on this page. But when I go to the Ask Toshiba page, the same model number is nowhere to be found, and it seems to be the only way to contact Toshiba through this site.

    http://support.toshiba.ca/support/isg/index.asp
     
  19. JC713

    JC713 TS Evangelist Posts: 7,020   +913

    Yeah, I got the canadian site when I put in your model. I was wondering why it was only a Canadian product.
     
  20. needhelp51

    needhelp51 TS Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 218

    Hello JC713.

    Here is an update on my case. As I was preparing to backup my data for HDD replacement, I made a cleanup of files and directories present on my desktop (there were quite a few) and moved them to another directory on c: regrouping all my data to facilitate backup. First thing I noticed the very next day, before proceeding with the actual backup, the black pause was gone and the 6 minute boot-time was reduced to something like 1m30. Nothing else has been changed, has been installed or has been uninstalled on my machine since. And all files are still present on HDD.

    However, since the HDD still fails the short DST, I will replace it anyways, of course.

    Is it at all possible that moving some directories from desktop to elsewhere on same HDD could have had such an effect on the black pause problem?
     
  21. JC713

    JC713 TS Evangelist Posts: 7,020   +913

    I can't really visualize what you are saying, but from what I understand, it would not cause any harm.
     
  22. needhelp51

    needhelp51 TS Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 218

    Hard for me to be clear, as you probably guessed, english is not my main language. Lol. I'll try to clarify all I said by 'On windows desktop screen, I kept only program shortcuts and default icons, I removed every 'real' folders and files from there'.

    Thanks for all your help, it has been very much appreciated.
     
  23. JC713

    JC713 TS Evangelist Posts: 7,020   +913

    Well, I dont blame you man, you did well for non english speaker :). Glad to help and feel free to come back if you need any assistance with the new drive.
     
  24. needhelp51

    needhelp51 TS Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 218

    I installed new HDD . I installed windows, all necessary updates and I installed basic applications. New HDD tests fine on Seatools (all tests), so I am quite sure it is A1. Problem is when I type text, it seems to lag, some keys I enter seem ignored or skipped. Just ruled out malware with Broni. No other problems.
     
  25. JC713

    JC713 TS Evangelist Posts: 7,020   +913

    Maybe jobeard knows why. I am not really a storage expert. At least you got it working!
     


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