WOF: What's your take on the Xbox One X?

[m4a4]

hahahahahahhahahahahaha
we both know that isnt true. The PCMR will carry on as always.

Heh, I know they will continue. That's why I said "help" (as I have yet to see a compelling comparison for a $500 PC equivalent).

 

[Erikxboxonex]

Once again Xbox is killing ps4 becuse Xbox is makes best systems out there ps4 games are trash and boring xboxonex is going to be more power full then anything that ps system makes and Xbox rules

 

[elliscg]

It will sell well. I am sick of people saying there are no exclusives: Sunset Overdrive, Halo, Gears, Forza, Ryse, Titanfall..etc...

Aaa...Sony PS4 has more exclusives! And you are playing...? Fifa and Battlefield 1! )))

Everybody hates Destiny, but they play the game. X is overpriced, but a 500 usd video card is ok?

You want it? Buy it! You don't? Relax!

Mmmm ps4 and ps4 pro have so many more games that are worth it that you can't really go wrong with it, meanwhile Xbox doesn't at the moment and now that most of the games will be coming to Windows 10(pc) too there is even less of a reason to buy it.

 

[elliscg]

Ps4 has 3 games: Horizon, God of War 4 and Uncharted 4. Same for Xbox. Most of the people don't play exclusives. There are a lot of people that buy console to play with friends Fifa, NBA, Forza, NFS, etc...

Have fun, play the games!

Major games you missed on PS4: Bloodborne, KIllzone: SF, Gravity Rush 2, Nioh, Yakuza 0 and of course, the upcoming The Last of Us 2 and Gran Turismo Sport. Even if most people buy consoles to play with friends they also consider exclusives and there`s nowhere near "the same" between PS4 and Xbone.

I like all of them :b

 

[koblongata]

I just hope it can run normal Windows, it's gonna be the best PC ever made...

 

[BabyFaceLee]

It's a console: not interested.

 

[cliffordcooley]

My take? It's a console!

 

[Erikxboxonex]

Xbox Master race!!!

 

[ET3D]

Well, I'm not much of a console gamer. For me consoles are only worth it for alternative experiences, such as Kinect. That's why I have the 360, but since the Xbox One doesn't have backward compatibility with Kinect titles, I saw no reason to upgrade.

I think that the XOX is a neat upgrade, and I'm sure people playing on a 4K TV will appreciate it, and given the number of people with 4K TV's, that's a pretty good market potential for the X.

There's another possibility as well, at least for Microsoft: they could add support for Windows desktop programs to the next Xbox.

I think that's more likely than consoles dying completely. Microsoft could add Windows 10 S to the Xbox. Enthusiasts will hate the idea, but people will buy it instead of PC's for their kids who want to game, because it will not only let them play but also use Office.

 

[Uncle Al]

Hmmmmm ..... I'd toss them both in the trash box and buy an up to date PC.

 

[treetops]

As far as I know they haven't improved the cpu or gpu since the original Xbox One. So I really don't care at all about it. Maybe if I owned a 4k tv.

 

[hahahanoobs]

1. Marketing sells consoles. Sony has light years better marketing than Microsoft. That's why the PS4 has sold so well inspite of lackluster exclusives.

2. Posting yet another list, this time from the PSN, filled with non-exclusives doesn't make your point. It makes mine: if you have a PC, there is no compelling reason to by a console right now. Bigger indie scene, more selection, no subscription fee for online. In short, more games.

3. You seem to have a difficult time with reading. Citing the PS4/Pro as indicative of the problem with Xbox One X (lack of a compelling library) is not straying from the subject.

I said that there is no incentive to purchase an Xbox One X because it does not have enough exclusive titles, just like the XBO and PS4/Pro. There are bigger, better libraries available on PC and most major titles are multiplatform, reducing things to a matter of preference and cost.

This does not mean, as you seem to think it does, that the PS4 has 0 games and/or 0 exclusives. It means, quite simply, that the library is not robust enough to make it worth while over alternatives on its own. You know, like I said in the original post.

The PS4, the PS4 Pro, and the Xbox One thru X all have the same problem: no incentive. Next year that will change for the base models (not the Pro/X). But right now? Waste of money (which is why I never purchased a PS4 despite having owned the previous two consoles).

P.S. Since you like to clamor on about doing research, please take note of this sales chart. The one that is filled with multi platform titles that are bundled with the PS4 and only *one* exclusive hat even makes the top 10:
http://www.vgchartz.com/platform/69/playstation-4/

Consoles are a waste of money until summer 2018. They don't have enough exclusives.

What I've said is fact. Most of it coming from common sense....

 

[OcelotRex]

1. Marketing sells consoles. Sony has light years better marketing than Microsoft. That's why the PS4 has sold so well inspite of lackluster exclusives

If that were true what happened to Microsoft? They had all the "marketing" in the last generation; do you think Sony stole all the marketing? Can Redmond make or buy more marketing to increase sales?

 

[Puiu]

It will sell well. I am sick of people saying there are no exclusives: Sunset Overdrive, Halo, Gears, Forza, Ryse, Titanfall..etc...

Aaa...Sony PS4 has more exclusives! And you are playing...? Fifa and Battlefield 1! )))

Everybody hates Destiny, but they play the game. X is overpriced, but a 500 usd video card is ok?

You want it? Buy it! You don't? Relax!

Trust me when I say that people are sick of those games and they want NEW games. Turns out that most are just PC games or multiplats. Xbox One X is less of a good product than even Xbox One S. It's a super niche product that will sell OKish in NA just because of the brand's power. At least playstation got this year and will also get next year a crap ton of games (although I prefer PC).

 

[Puiu]

If that were true what happened to Microsoft? They had all the "marketing" in the last generation; do you think Sony stole all the marketing? Can Redmond make or buy more marketing to increase sales?

It's called "uber expensive console" at launch. Even so, they still managed to save the PS3.

 

[davislane1]

If that were true what happened to Microsoft? They had all the "marketing" in the last generation; do you think Sony stole all the marketing? Can Redmond make or buy more marketing to increase sales?

Bad marketing happened to Microsoft. You don't "take" marketing. You either execute it very well or very poorly. It has to do with quality, not quantity.

Marketing drives sales. No marketing, no sales. Good marketing, high sales. Poor marketing, low sales. Simple.

 

[davislane1]

What I've said is fact. Most of it coming from common sense....

Not an argument.

 

[hahahanoobs]

Not an argument.

Well, you attempted to start one, but you failed badly. One of your arguments was bundles sell consoles, yet looking at these links, XBOX has more bundles, yet it's still getting outsold by the PS4 more than 2 to 1. I guess that must be an amazing controller (another one of your other weak arguments).

Again, exclusives are how PS4 got to 60 million consoles sold. As for your other arguments, I covered those in the very first comment in this thread...

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/playsta...le/pcmcat296300050017.c?id=pcmcat296300050017
http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/category/xbox-one-consoles/35513.aspx

Not sure why you're bringing up PC being better in a discussion about consoles, but I've been a PC only gamer since 2004 making the original XBOX my last console. You said you had a PS4, so it's disappointing you don't know what you're talking about here.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised when your argument for the Lightning connector over USB type C was that it was simply, "better", but somehow when someone contests you on the subject of [console] gaming, you got arguments and links for days...

 

[Skjorn]

Only reason for a console is multiplayer on exclusives. Anything else you just emulate on PC. That's like physics for filthy peasants though so consoles will keep living sadly.

EZ gg

 

[Edito]

You know what's better than a Scorpio?

The Xbox One X, which, as fate would have it, isn't as exciting as a Scorpio.

Here's the problem with the X once you get past the suboptimal name: no incentive. This is the same problem the PS4 and PS4 Pro have. Yeah, they're really great consoles, but...what for? Destiny? Madden? Call of Duty?

Back in the era of the PS3 and Xbox 360, a strong case could be made for either console. This time around there is no reason to grab one over the other outside of price, bundling, or controller preference. There aren't enough exclusives for either platform and most people don't have 4K televisions to run either the Pro or the X at their advertised output. What's more, all the big name games are, wait for it... multiplatform.

If you have a PC, there is hardly any reason to spend $500 on a console. For that price, you can grab a 960 Pro M.2, God knows how many Steam sales, upgrade your graphics card, buy a high-end CPU...the list goes on and on. Toss in a 4K TV if you don't already have one and now you have enough cash to build a whole new system that blows an XBOX (I see what they did there...) out of the water.

So. The question for the Xbox One X is the same as the question for the PS4 Pro:

Why?

I don't see any reason.

(Unless you plan to use it as a decorative item like my PlayStation 4.)

Please do some research before posting plz, if you don´t see the reason to buy one over another then the problem is with you not with the system...

Wikipedia can help you with upcoming games for both systems if you need.

 

[davislane1]

Please do some research before posting plz, if you don´t see the reason to buy one over another then the problem is with you not with the system...

Wikipedia can help you with upcoming games for both systems if you need.

"I don't agree with you, therefore you can't have done any research."

I'll be sure to take that under advisement.

 

[davislane1]

Not an argument.

Well, you attempted to start one, but you failed badly. One of your arguments was bundles sell consoles, yet looking at these links, XBOX has more bundles, yet it's still getting outsold by the PS4 more than 2 to 1. I guess that must be an amazing controller (another one of your other weak arguments).

Again, exclusives are how PS4 got to 60 million consoles sold. As for your other arguments, I covered those in the very first comment in this thread...

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/playsta...le/pcmcat296300050017.c?id=pcmcat296300050017
http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/category/xbox-one-consoles/35513.aspx

Not sure why you're bringing up PC being better in a discussion about consoles, but I've been a PC only gamer since 2004 making the original XBOX my last console. You said you had a PS4, so it's disappointing you don't know what you're talking about here.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised when your argument for the Lightning connector over USB type C was that it was simply, "better", but somehow when someone contests you on the subject of [console] gaming, you got arguments and links for days...

That you think controllers don't sell consoles demonstrates your complete ignorance of the market. I've sold the things and have more experience with them than you do, by your own admission. Moreover, if bundles didn't sell consoles, they wouldn't bundle them.

The PS4 sells more because Sony has better marketing than Microsoft.

I want to address one last point, because it is clear you have no clue what you're talking about. You just said the following:

Again, exclusives are how PS4 got to 60 million consoles sold. As for your other arguments, I covered those in the very first comment in this thread...

"Exclusives" are why people buy the Xbox One: https://www.vg247.com/2015/02/25/why-are-people-buying-ps4-and-not-xbox-one/

Add this to the fact that PS4 exclusives have been consistently outsold by multiplatform titles on the PS4 (demonstrated earlier), and there is a zero basis for the position that better exclusives are driving PS4 sales.

Given that you can't seem to do a basic google search and have attempted to demonstrate "it's not marketing, it's the game's!" by linking to literal sales pages, we're going to conclude here that you're a bit out of your depth.

But that's completely forgivable. You haven't had a console since the original XBOX.

 

[hahahanoobs]

That you think controllers don't sell consoles demonstrates your complete ignorance of the market. I've sold the things and have more experience with them than you do, by your own admission. Moreover, if bundles didn't sell consoles, they wouldn't bundle them.

The PS4 sells more because Sony has better marketing than Microsoft.

I want to address one last point, because it is clear you have no clue what you're talking about. You just said the following:



"Exclusives" are why people buy the Xbox One: https://www.vg247.com/2015/02/25/why-are-people-buying-ps4-and-not-xbox-one/

Add this to the fact that PS4 exclusives have been consistently outsold by multiplatform titles on the PS4 (demonstrated earlier), and there is a zero basis for the position that better exclusives are driving PS4 sales.

Given that you can't seem to do a basic google search and have attempted to demonstrate "it's not marketing, it's the game's!" by linking to literal sales pages, we're going to conclude here that you're a bit out of your depth.

But that's completely forgivable. You haven't had a console since the original XBOX.

You're arguing with yourself. I simply replied to a specific comment you made vaguely stating that "there was no reason to buy either console aside from bundles and the controller." The last link I posted clearly shows that your argument for bundles selling more consoles, wasn't a good one. Now all of a sudden you're bring up other factors that obviously come into play, such as resolution and image quality, and that's cool, but I destroyed your argument and that is why you've gone into damage control. I've been a Digital Foundry Youtube subscriber for months now btw. You did the same thing by introducing the PC as the superior platform into this in your last reply, which is more of your damage control. Console gamers aren't flocking to the PC, and XBOX won't change that. If console gamers are willing to spend $500+ on a gaming PC or upgrades to their current PC, the majority of them are just going to buy the XBOX if they aren't dedicated to Sony already. The PC is better I get it, but consoles exist for a reason.

As for marketing, I see more XBOX commercials than PS4 on TV, so there goes your marketing reach. You know what gamers care about? Gaming and electronics shows like E3 and PAX. Gamers want to see gameplay and exclusives. You can tell it's something they really care about if you've ever seen them fight in the youtube comments. On the Sony side they argue PS4 is better because of resolution, image quality on the PS4 Pro and exclusives. Not bundles, not the controller, the hardware and the exclusives! If there are ANY complaints about events like these, it's the lack of gameplay and exclusives. If these needs are met, gamers are happy. They certainly don't care about how cringy the presenters are if there are games and gameplay. You can try to ignore it or try to introduce more variables in some attempt to get a win after a loss, but I know what I'm talking about.

 

[OortCloud]

You can try to ignore it or try to introduce more variables in some attempt to get a win after a loss, but I know what I'm talking about.

Good luck with that - your opponent is incapable of reason and usually resorts to reductive responses and telling you to 'learn to read' when you disagree with him

 

[m4a4]

As for marketing, I see more XBOX commercials than PS4 on TV, so there goes your marketing reach.

Really bud? Did you just try to imply that more marketing = better marketing??

Man, the second you called out who "won" and "lost" and said you "destroyed" his argument (the one where he rips your narrative apart that "exclusives are why people pick PS4") you lost the argument. "It's 100% common sense" lol

Ps. it can be argued that you lost quite a while ago, and davislane1 is just humoring himself by continuing this