World of Warcraft 4.0.1 patch preps for Cataclysm

I was a hardcore wow player, but I'm starting to hate blizzard... besides the suscription they charge you extra for the expansion... making you pay more to keep the game fresh, when they are forced to do it or the players leave, but they are so adicted that they just pay.

I started a trial account to warhammer which I upgraded without having to buy any game, just pay the suscription and its a pretty cool game, the PvE is not as complex as in WoW but the PvP is amazing, you get to (for WoW users) be horde and raid ironforge, win items doing it, exp, reputation and pvp medals to get gear.

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Well, paying for expansions is a pretty standard thing. You don't pay for the content patches inside the expansions - that's all covered with the subscription fees.

Besides that, you don't have to buy the expansion to keep playing. You do have to pay for it if you want to experience the new areas and new content.

I like the MMO pricing models - and in this instance Bliz is justified as they are overhauling the entire game to bring it more up to date with current technology. It's a little more involved as far as development costs than say, your run of the mill offline game that gives you maybe 60 total hours of play value. At least in an MMO, you have social aspects that keep your interest piqued.

Well i have played WoW back over 4 years ago when it was a game that required Skill to play your character. I have earned the Field Marshal Title in PvP then and that was no joke. I then took a 3 year break from June 2007 to July 2010 when i returned. The game has become a freaking JOKE to play and if people are going to complain about Blizzard making changes that make PLAYING YOUR CLASS HARD you need to quit the game because you are a fail PLAYER.

If all the people complaining now that things are too hard to do or i am loosing all these stats that i need should go back to the Pre- Burning Crusade days and would understand that what they have now in this game is handed to them and not hard at all.

There were never websites for Speccing your talent trees you clearly read it and specced it because you knew how to play your class and do things. Now everyone posts What site can i get my character spec from im too Stupid to figure out how to play this game myself so i need someone to do it for me.

Cataclysm will be bringing a wake up call to all the noobs that "think" they know what there doing by reading forums and specs posted online instead of just developing skill themselves.

I have a mage that out DPS's others with gear that is almost double mine and they have used websites to learn how to play there class. I have never read a site or forum but yet actually played my character and learned to play and be better than others that are incompetent with what is going on around them.

What does this rant have to do with anything? You sound pretty fired up, but geeze o whiz take a breath.

I knew it was the same person. I just felt like replying. I usually don't reply to "guests" at all, as they usually don't have anything beneficial to bring to the discussion. In this case however, I felt like calling this guest out for the mouth breather that he is. No skin off my back either way.

+1 Zilpha

Actually, that was quite amusing. Made me laugh.

I honestly don't think Blizzard is worried about the game being too hard, or too easy... I think they just want people to have fun and enjoy the "game"... Remember, that is all it is, a game...

I've come to the conclusion that when it comes to games - there are some people who just aren't happy unless they are rabid fanatical foaming diarrhea of the mouth over them.

People literally can go off onto any unrelated tangent no matter what the original question or comment was. It's pretty entertaining.

Holy crap man, no one here is even arguing that WoW is hard. Chill. Blizzard have made the game easy, because th playerbase demanded it with their $$. They saw that by making the game casual friendly, more players would play. Yes this means that the 2% of hardcore players (mind you that's 2% of 12 MILLION people) would be pissed. But, the other 98% would love it. Marketing wise, that is a solid move if I have ever seen one. Yes there are crap players still, but they have to wait till the last patch of the current expac to see all of the content. Whereas, the "hardcore" players will already finished all of that, maxed out their achievement scores, and be sitting around town laughing at them while they try to pug an end game raid run that fails repeatedly.

Hardcores still have their game to play, it is called hardcore mode raiding, or top end arena pvp. The casuals have their modes to play now too. Yes it is easier to get gear, everyone is in purples at the moment. But you have to remember that WOTLK has been out the longest of the last three versions, as such, people have had the most time to get that gear too (although it is WAY easier to get now too).

This will be changing in Cataclysim. Just read up on anyone trying to do heroics in beta atm. It is hell. People who have been aoe smashing through mobs will get wiped out. Why? Because it is the begining of an expac, just as the begining of WOTLK running heroics was HARD. You had to learn the fights, learn your class, get the gear. Now everyone has the gear and know the fights, so all of these instances are easy. Most people knew their class as well (this is now changed since 4.0...but gear makes up for a lot of nubbishness).

As for speccing, so what. This doesn't even matter anymore, as you are locked into a single tree until 31 points. Therefore, even if you do screw up, you only screw up a little bit. Yes it is dumbed down. But the trees are all that much better for it. Yes there are no more hybrid specs, but hybrid specs sucked anyways.

I am very glad you know how to play your class, maybe you can teach those players you find that are failing how to play too. This is a social game, just because you are good yourself, doesn't mean you are going to go and down LK by yourself.

BTW, I have played WoW both hardcore and casually. I prefer casual play because I work and do not have the time to put towards the game. I do not gripe that I cannot get the uber hardcore gears that the hardmoders can work on. Why would those same hardmoders gripe about casuals getting gear below them? Never made any sense to me...

Well Said Vangrat!

@Wendig0

Well my friend, that's exactly what you think you did.

Some trolls write wittily to try to give the impression they aren't trolling. What they look for with this is, however, to try to get you all worked up. Maybe not physically showing anger, but mentally. And when you respond to their moronic arguments, and you realize your arguments haven't been answered, that sense of win fades away, because you realize you didn't shut up a person who talked bad about WoW for no reason, you realize you tried to shut up a person that talked about WoW just as a way to get that argument out of you, making the time you spent writing your argument seem like a waste of time. Why else you think they haven't answered to your (obvious) good points?

But it happens, it's the law of the internet.

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Now on topic. To me, WoW is alright. I used to play it but on private servers. I actually co-owned one with a Canadian friend (I think it was since 1.0.8). It was fun and all, but it got boring mainly because Blizzard got a bit lazy with the features. I felt like I was doing the same thing over and over again. Of course, you can overcome this feeling if you have friends to do things with, in which case WoW is definitely a win. Otherwise, is very repetitive, in my opinion.

I played WoW for a few years and loved it, it was a great game that didn't require too much effort to be able to enjoy fully. If people like it, they can like it, I don't see why folks come on and attack people for liking a video game.

Might have to wake up my old account to go for a stroll to see what changed.

I took my first brake from WoW since the game started in June. I randomly came back today and lo and behold a big patch. WoW is a great game and I made friends all over the world. I will no longer play for long periods but It was nice to catch up with old friends, now how do i re spec my warrior again?

I was thinking the same thing, I got a Level 47 Palidin then gave up. Am interested though as to what has changed indeed.

My gripe with wow is that it takes to long to get anything done. Waiting 1 hour+ just to get a 25 man group drained all the joy from wow for me. Also they don't have way points, it takes forever to get anywhere.

World of walking
World of waiting

Which is exactly why I left WoW this morning...deactivate my account before the next set of charges came up. I play to relax, not to have to respec and redesign my whole list of characters every few months. I still love the game, but this is one respec, reset too many for me...so voted with my feet. Going to find some game that doesn't try to force me down a very narrow path, or one that at least doesn't pretend to NOT do so while continually trying to find a way to do so.

WoW was fixed so it can be as complexed or as simple as you make it. This is the reason why it is the biggest MMO.

Vanilla WoW was fun but that isn't what made it "zomg the better of all of wow gameplay" it was the fact that it was new,fresh and took time to figure out what to do. Now today, after nearly 6? years it's the only MMO that has rising playbase in the history of MMOs.

This is the idea behind 10man raids, 10man heroics, 25mans and 25man heroics. A game won't keep it's playerbase by making players wait 20-54 minutes to do a 5man dungeon nor will a new member want to spend hours trying to figuer out where that crabs are that drop that meat he needs.

If you liked Vanilla WoW and quit around TBC or even early wrath because it got to "noob" friendly come back after cata. It won't be vanilla but it will be as close as it has ever been since vanilla.

and let us all be honest?

The graphics are nice if your pc can handle them. There are so many ways and settings when it comes to the graphics of the game where it comes down to the players PC and not so much the ingame graphics.

graphics make a game you say?

Some of the funnest games I've ever played was on my Atari and NES.

You say that "People have nothing better to do than bash wow" sarcastically, insuing that you wouldn't waste your time doing it. Then you go ahead and do it anyway. You sir, are a turd.