Photos of ATI's R580 core surface

By Justin Mann on December 28, 2005, 6:11 PM
Cards based on ATI's upcoming and anticipated R580 are starting to appear, though only as a cameo, in some areas. What most likely will start out at the X1900 series is going to be a larger, more expensive GPU that will have 650MHz and higher clock speeds. We aren't seeing these for another month at least, assuming ATI does not do a paper launch. Sadly, this doesn't look well for continued lower prices in the newer models, but rather higher. Because it is so similar to the R520 in architecture, though, existing cards should drop in price. Supposedly, R580 and cards based upon it will be available in all markets at the same time.




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PanicX said:
Hopefully this card will have more impressive results than the X1800. I love to see each vendor trump the others best card, and I feel the X1800 fell short of that.
PUTALE said:
ati is really moving fast with their new gfx. I hope nvidia will attack soon. It's nice to see ati finally entering into the same ring as nvidia with all the new feature that's packed in the new cards.
swker98 said:
Im a little angry with ati, they didnt make any changes in there cards besides switching to 90nm, i was disapointed becasue innital reports staTED they will have 32 pips in the x1800. Ati made us wait an extra 6 months after nvidas relicei hope they will achieve more pipes and higher colck speeds in this chipDoes anyone know how Avivio affects games and such
Chamot said:
Well, if it has the same feature set as the current x1k's, this may drive the 1800xl prices down which i'm considering but is a bit expensive for me at the moment.
PUTALE said:
avivo is more geared toward multimedia, ie high def media. The whole idea of avivo is basically release the workload of the cpu during encoding the high def videos so I don't htink it has much effect in the games, unless gaming industry start taking hte advantages of these high def.I think ATI is weighing on the need to have these extra pipeline. Given to the fact that they release their competition so late in the market (6 month after nvidia release 7800), they cut down these stuff so they can gain some money so they don't have to price these cards higher than nvidia's current lineup.I believe that it's also in ati's market stratege to release 1900 so fast after the 1800 release, so they can provide a faster card with more pipes and label it better than all the current nvidia's card so they can sell the card at premum price and reclaim their performance crowan.
asphix said:
PUTALE has a good point. It would make no sense for ATI to release a really powerful card thats priced more expensive than the 7800 and expect it to compete with the 7800 whos pricepoint is lower after 6 months on the market. This will allow them to have a direct compeditor with the 7800 and then release their flagship product to take the crown (if they can)
mtyson8 said:
I have always thought ATI was in Nvidias ring. In fact, in some series, I think the Ati was better than the Nvidias. For example, I think the Geforce 4s were better than the Radeon 8500s, but the Radeon 9600 and 9800 were better than the Nvidia 5 series. The Nvidia 6 series and Radeon x800-x850 are pretty close. And the X1800 XT and 7800GTX again are pretty close.
PUTALE said:
that's correct mtyson8. ATI has really getting a lot of ground on nvidia. That's why we see almost 50-50 in the market share among these 2 big powerhouse. What nvidia has the advantages over ati right now is the fact that nvidia produce one of the best hcipset out there, and given to the fact that they produce both chipset and vid card, they are so successful in making the idea of SLI into the mass market.One area that ATi really has the advantages over nviida is the multimedia market. ATi really is much better and technology more advanced in part of teh multimedia than nvida(as it can be shown in the avivo and the All in wonder cards).
luismigilbert said:
i just love watching a video card... there's something about silicon...
brownpaper said:
Oh great...should I pay for rent or buy these new video cards? Hmmmmm.
Craftos said:
I still don't get why ATI cards, slower in general than similar nvidia offerings, are still more expensive and in low availability everywhere. I'll wait for change of ATI's price politics.
wkozey said:
[b]Originally posted by mtyson8:[/b][quote]I have always thought ATI was in Nvidias ring. In fact, in some series, I think the Ati was better than the Nvidias. For example, I think the Geforce 4s were better than the Radeon 8500s, but the Radeon 9600 and 9800 were better than the Nvidia 5 series. The Nvidia 6 series and Radeon x800-x850 are pretty close. And the X1800 XT and 7800GTX again are pretty close.[/quote]I have a 9600XT and it is not better than the nvida cards, I wish i would have bought One of Geforce 4 TI series cards.The 9600 series were competitors to card like the GeForce 4 TI4200, 4600.The 9600xt was better than the Fx5200 but then you are comparing apples to cabbages.
mtyson8 said:
Well, the 9600Xt is still better than 5200, and 5500 and 5600. But not better than 5700, 5800, 5900 and 5950. But thats because the 9800 XT is better than these, except the 5950, which came out after the 9800. What im trying to say is sometimes they are equal, and sometimes not. The 9600 was really cheap though, and the Geforce 4 ti 4600 when it came out in 2002 was $400 i think. Its the best of the 4s, so its still better than lower end cards coming out even 3 yrs later.Overall though, the is so many 5 series, and the only really good ones were the 5900 and 5950. The 9800s and 9600s were a good deal for the buck, where the 5950 was $600.00 new!
mentaljedi said:
[b]Originally posted by mtyson8:[/b][quote]Well, the 9600Xt is still better than 5200, and 5500 and 5600. But not better than 5700, 5800, 5900 and 5950. But thats because the 9800 XT is better than these, except the 5950, which came out after the 9800. What im trying to say is sometimes they are equal, and sometimes not. The 9600 was really cheap though, and the Geforce 4 ti 4600 when it came out in 2002 was $400 i think. Its the best of the 4s, so its still better than lower end cards coming out even 3 yrs later.Overall though, the is so many 5 series, and the only really good ones were the 5900 and 5950. The 9800s and 9600s were a good deal for the buck, where the 5950 was $600.00 new![/quote]wow, you really know how to talk. ATI is gaining ground, but i think that Nvidia has a more phycological hold on people. if ATI makes an outstanding product, i can see the market slipping in their favour.
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