Valve boss: "We want EA's games on Steam"

By on August 18, 2011, 8:30 AM

As you've undoubtedly heard, some of EA's games have been retracted from Valve's digital distribution platform. When Crysis 2 first disappeared from Steam in June, gamers immediately assumed that the decision was part of an overarching strategy to force users into purchasing titles through Origin. EA quickly responded to that speculation by noting that it didn't necessarily want to remove Crysis 2 from Steam, and that it mostly boiled down to conflicting terms over serving game patches and downloadable content.

The controversy continued last month when Dragon Age II disappeared from Valve's storefront coinciding with the launch of the Dragon Age II: Legacy add-on content, and EA maintained the same story: Valve's business terms were too "restrictive." Along yanking those titles from Steam, some of EA's upcoming titles will be Origin exclusives, including Star Wars: The Old Republic, while Battlefield 3 will use EA's platform no matter where you buy it. Surprisingly, Valve has been pretty quiet about the feud -- until this week.

Speaking with Develop magazine, Valve boss Gabe Newell explained that matters were complicated. "I don't think Valve can pick just one thing and think that the issue would go away if we fixed that," he said, noting that it was Valve's responsibility to prove that EA stands to gain by having its games on Steam. "We have to prove we are creating value on an ongoing basis, whether it's to EA or Ubisoft or whoever. We want EA's games on Steam and we have to show them that's a smart thing to do," Newell continued.

"I think at the end of the day we're going to prove to EA they have happier customers, a higher quality service, and will make more money if they have their titles on Steam. It's our duty to demonstrate that to them. We don't have a natural right to publish their games." Many believe that EA is sacrificing a large, Steam-loyal audience by omitting games like Battlefield 3 from Valve's platform. In that particular case, players who refuse to use Origin will have immediate access to the primary competition, Modern Warfare 3.




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Burty117 Burty117, TechSpot Chancellor, said:

Valve, you do have a better and much higher quality service, however... EA don't give 2 sh*ts about quality so it is simply a lost cause. They just want money.

I like Valve alot, they genuinely are all about the best experiences and quality. To prove it they even assume EA are looking for similar goals, ooww how they are wrong.

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Jesse Jesse said:

They better put it on steam. I love battlefield, but I love steam more!

Guest said:

Burty117, you are absolutely right.

EA cares about money, nothing else. I seriously doubt Valve will be able to fix the situation.

EA has thoroughly pissed off a huge gaming community by turning their back on Steam. There are so many good games coming out over the next 6 months, I'll have NO problem staying away from EA's titles. It's time to put your money where your mouth is, guys. Don't buy EA games!

n00bzZy said:

Earlier this week when I saw EA is giving ME2 free with BF3 I was tempted to try Origin. A minute later I realized I can't be bothered with another, probably a lot less developed and convenient gaming problem, so I'm just gonna stick with Steam as far as buying games goes. I have no doubt EA will sell millions of copies of BF3 anyway, just not from me.

Guest said:

Steam at peak usage has 3,537,921 concurrent users

18,044 Current and 29,060 Peak Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 - Multiplayer Users Today

http://store.steampowered.com/stats/

Then again, Modern Warfare 3 is being released on steam, proving you acknowledge their influence and community.

EA Download Manager (Origin) is an annoying over-priced sales unit, that lacks community, price advantage, save-game backup, and off-line backup opportunity. At best it can be described as an aspiring to be STEAM

Remember, Valve is a company that puts out content such as 'Exile Vilify' as easter-eggs.

stan4 said:

A month ago I bought MOH from Origin, just to try it, and I loved it, I was able to log on instantly with my EA account, make my purchase, download and install, That's as far as Origin goes, after you install your game you forget about it. What I loved the most is that I didn't have to start Origin in order to start my OWN game, steam is all about feeding you with advertisements all the time, wasting your precious PC resources.

I have over 1,200 hours of play on BC2, hell yeah I'm getting BF3, no matter where does it come from, a game distributor should be just that, sell the game and GTFO. Origin is not like steam, steam is a privacy violator, it uses your own goods to feed you ads.

BYE BYE STEAM!

Guest said:

Tell me another place you'll find AAA titles 50% off within 3 months of release. Go on. I'm waiting. That's right, nowhere.

Guest said:

Stan4, I don't think you know entirely what you're talking about. Either that, or you work for EA. There are NO ads in Steam. If you want to, you can recieve updates on new stuff that's coming to Steam when you log on. This is easily disabled. When I start steam, I go directly to my games Library. I set it up like that, so it doesn't even show the shop.

If you can't see the advantages Steam brings alongside the games, then you haven't been looking hard enough. Steam is a community! Not just some "thing" that has to run in the background and "annoy" you while you play the games.

gwailo247, TechSpot Chancellor, said:

stan4 said:

Origin is not like steam, steam is a privacy violator, it uses your own goods to feed you ads.

BYE BYE STEAM!

Say what you will Steam's ads are the ONLY ads that I see on the internet that contain something in them that I may want to buy. I actually enjoy seeing that ad window pop up when I finish a game because it may contain an awesome sale on a game I want to buy.

That aside, you're painting EA as the good guy? Ha. I'm happy you don't mind Origin, but I think you're stretching your credibility if you're going to suggest that EA is somehow the better ethical alternative to Valve.

example1013 said:

There are people who don't actually even know that Steam is a decent platform because they were so pissed over the whole CounterStrike thing that they just wrote the service off and never looked at it again. It's true that EA is very dedicated to their bottom line, but they have to know that, to entice customers, they're going to need to build a service that can actually compete with Steam, meaning it's going to have to be easy and intuitive with good deals, strong social support, easy purchases, a quality library, and achievements.

I'd actually argue that EA should probably look into licensing Steam's Achievements system, and possibly looking into cross-service integration to make the transition and use of Origin even easier. If they don't make a good service, Origin is going to turn into the GameSpy of digital purchase platforms: you have an account for the few games that require it, but hate it with a passion and never use it except on those 3 games that force you to.

Burty117 Burty117, TechSpot Chancellor, said:

stan4 said:

A month ago I bought MOH from Origin, just to try it, and I loved it, I was able to log on instantly with my EA account, make my purchase, download and install, That's as far as Origin goes, after you install your game you forget about it. What I loved the most is that I didn't have to start Origin in order to start my OWN game, steam is all about feeding you with advertisements all the time, wasting your precious PC resources.

I have over 1,200 hours of play on BC2, hell yeah I'm getting BF3, no matter where does it come from, a game distributor should be just that, sell the game and GTFO. Origin is not like steam, steam is a privacy violator, it uses your own goods to feed you ads.

BYE BYE STEAM!

Haha! 1200 hours and you still don't know how to use steam? Am I missing something here or are you litterally, just a little bit, special? :P

I login to steam pretty much everyday and I don't see a single Ad in site, no pop-ups in sight or anything annoying? I have to ask, where are you seeing these ads?

Wait a minute, how many porn sites have you been on recently? Probably a virus I would assume.

Guest said:

If a game isn't on Steam, and on sale, I just wont ever bother playing it. I can't even be bothered to pirate games these days, since I end up picking up more games in the Steam sales than I can get round to playing. EA withdrawing from Steam = EA games might as well not exist, as far as myself and plenty of others are concerned

Guest said:

I don't think promoting mw3 on the steam page was a good idea if your going to get them back.

Chazz said:

Like I said before, recently I've purchased mass effect 1/2, BC2, Dragon age(awakening as well) 1/2, Crysis & crysis warhead and I was gonna buy BC3, ME3 and the new Dragon age games when they come out. That changes if they aren't on steam. EA won't see a dollar of mine as I can't be bothered installing a new service for every major video game publisher.

If it isn't on steam I'd rather play the xbox 360 version.

TomSEA TomSEA, TechSpot Chancellor, said:

stan4: "I have over 1,200 hours of play on BC2..."

So you really have no idea what the sun looks like. :p

1977TA said:

It would be nice if these two made a deal. But I doubt it. BF3 is going to be awesome though.

matrix86 matrix86 said:

I don't get what Stan is talking about. I am completely new to Steam (and gaming) yet I see zero ads. I log in, it takes me straight to my games library, I launch a game, play it, close it when I'm done, and then log off...and no point do I ever see an ad. Besides, it's just like with youtube and hulu...if it wasn't for the ads, chances are, you'd be paying for the service. Ads are what make sites free.

yukka, TechSpot Paladin, said:

Crazy arguments. When Halflife 2 came out everyone was forced to install steam. It ran like shit, didn't uninstall cleanly, used a shitload of resources if it started with windows and it was difficult to get it to stay in offline mode so people were up in arms about having to be online all the time and being forced to use this piece of software.

Since then Valve have put game after game on there and since there was no other competition (or rather no one had a game that everyone wanted to play that could get another electronic distributors program onto enough PCs) they have become popular. But they are now taking a percentage of sales of all PC games as they are offering the infrastructure to deliver the games as well. Of course, they turn a profit as well.

Now EA decides its had enough of this, it wants to sell its own games digitally and cash in on the reduced costs of distributing directly to users with their own program and and the PC community goes crazy. Why are they not using steam!!! We love steam!!!

Everyone forgets the complaints when steam started. And competition isnt a bad thing. Also most of my steam friends are in voice chat on mumble/ts/whatever so its not like I cant contact them. I already installed Origin for the BF3 alpha and it sells games. Thats about it. Who knows, maybe some of the extra profit from not using steam will be put back into R&D and make better games.

yukka, TechSpot Paladin, said:

That heading should read "We don't want EA using their own alternative to Steam" by the way. Forget caring sharing valve They don't want the competition and they don't want people to lose focus that PC gaming=STEAM.

By the way, I have a shitload of steam games and spank too much money on the sales. Just trying to keep some perspective.

zillion said:

Yukka i agree with u on the point that competition is great.....

....But i dont see why i would look for another provider for the service i find with steam, it is reliable, fast, smooth, great community, extremely easy to use and the best point which often also is the major issue.....they have holiday sales for more holidays then actually exist.

So while competition in many terms benefits the buyer by better service and lower prices, in this case if every company had the same strategy as steam, i think a Veyron would be 1$

And still thinking of the terms EA "sell" u a game.....with a 1yr redownload service that has to be renewed by an extra fee if u actually wish to keep the game u just purchased for more then 1 yr, i rarely play any game for more then 1yr...but heck it is still MINE!!!!

ps. i have no idea if the EA terms are still like that, but i am never going back to any company that has the balls to act like that.

Xclusiveitalian Xclusiveitalian said:

Watch how fast BF3 is on steam when MW3 sells more copies just because it's on Steam! BF3 is the better game, and not just better but MW3 is pathetically inferior. However, most won't jump to origin for BF3 and that will hurt sales drastically. Especially if Origin doesn't fix the fact that it uses 30% cpu usage just running it! Everyone will need beast machines!

treetops treetops said:

I don't like any third party program running in background sucking up system resources. At least you can shutdown windows games live.

LNCPapa LNCPapa said:

There's my CPU usage with Steam running:

Guest said:

Origin is a joke. I downloaded an older game from EA, hated having the Origin program running so decided to experiment. I found a no-cd .exe crack for the game and replaced the start up program and it worked. I uninstalled the Origin program and now can play the game without having EA's crapware running. I don't know how this will work with newer games though.

PinothyJ said:

stan4 said:

A month ago I bought MOH from Origin, just to try it, and I loved it, I was able to log on instantly with my EA account, make my purchase, download and install, That's as far as Origin goes, after you install your game you forget about it. What I loved the most is that I didn't have to start Origin in order to start my OWN game, steam is all about feeding you with advertisements all the time, wasting your precious PC resources.

I have over 1,200 hours of play on BC2, hell yeah I'm getting BF3, no matter where does it come from, a game distributor should be just that, sell the game and GTFO. Origin is not like steam, steam is a privacy violator, it uses your own goods to feed you ads.

BYE BYE STEAM!

You can choose in steam settings whether to show you Steam Today "ads" and you can also set steam to open automatically to your library as opposed to the steam steam store. As for memory hogging, that is only if you leave the physical window open. Open up task manager when it is open and have a look at its memory consumption. Now click the "X" at the top of the steam window to close the window and you will see Steam.exe memory consumptions slump right down.

The bulk of your argument is ignorant at best and if that is your basis for getting rid of steam than such a plan is nothing short of quixotic. What digital distribution platform you use (if any) is completely up to you, but spouting such crap is simply going to convince people to stick with Steam rather than branch out and try Origin.

Just saying...

treetops treetops said:

There's my CPU usage with Steam running:

Nice, mines at 3-10%. Averaging around 5%+. Its 0-1% without steam running. Why do they insist on running in the background while you play a game? This was on the default page, the store page, it probably makes a difference what page your on.

@ pinothy your right it does slump down when you hit the x to about 2% cpu usage on average.That's more double my normal cpu usage! /jokes

Guest said:

I'm loyal to Valve and loyal to Steam. Valve actually cares a lot about PC gamers, and proves it by not releasing shotty console ports. Steam is also great. All my games in my account. I can log into any computer and play my games just by logging into Steam. When reinstalling Windows I just need to install Steam and I have all my games. I hope EA puts BF3 on Steam, would suck not to buy that game for PC. I know my roommate will buy it for PS3 so I can play it there, but I'd prefer to have my own copy on Steam.

PinothyJ said:

treetops said:

There's my CPU usage with Steam running:

Nice, mines at 3-10%. Averaging around 5%+. Its 0-1% without steam running. Why do they insist on running in the background while you play a game? This was on the default page, the store page, it probably makes a difference what page your on.

@ pinothy your right it does slump down when you hit the x to about 2% cpu usage on average.That's more double my normal cpu usage! /jokes

I am not standing up for Steam I am simply fact stating...

treetops treetops said:

I am not standing up for Steam I am simply fact stating...

Thanks for the tip. I had no clue that hitting the x mattered so much.

MrAnderson said:

I agree... EA is hurting itself by not putting their titles on Steam. I personally am not purchasing and EA games on the PC any longer no matter how much BF3 makes me drool. I figure Steam as a lot of things it does to integrate it, but I have seen titles like ST OL loosly coupled and have their own update system... I don't know how much of that has changed... but I think EA is blowing a lot of smoke up our butts and they want to get Origin off the ground by cripling the competition and I also think the Retailers are in on putting the hurt on Steam too. The only way I would buy from other online services is if one... they don't lock me into their platform... I have had enough of that with Steam... so there can be only one I'll let that happen with. Also, to create a Open ID like login to all the game services. I tell you one thing... I might do gamefly since they are talking about the unlimited subscription model to PC games. It seems like a good direction if you get access to the new titles at least after 6 months of their release.

okrings said:

If I'm gonna be completely honest about this whole Steam thing, I have to agree with people who say it sucked in the beginning. I got Half-Life 2 for christmas the same year it was released, and that was my first introduction to Steam. I was as pissed off as the next guy about having to be online all the time. It wasn't even a store back then, as far as I can remember. It was completely useless! I played through HL2, uninstalled everything and left it at that.

I came back to Steam about 2 years ago, and it's awesome now! A fullblown community which I enjoy being a part of. Like other people have said, there's no reason to even pirate stuff anymore. I buy more games on Steam (especially on sale) than I can manage to play through anyway. When it comes to piracy, it's mostly a teenager thing. At that point in your life you have no money. However, you have all the time in the world to reinstall your computer if you end up getting a virus. So, to a teenager, it's worth it. For grownups, it's different. We have money, but we don't have the time! It's easier just to buy the games. And when games are as cheap as they are on Steam sales, there's nothing stopping us from paying for it.

I'm seriously pissed off with EA these days, but I do understand WHY they're doing what they're doing. What makes me angry is the fact that I've bought Mass Effect 1 and 2, Dragon Age Origins and other EA games, like a lot of you guys. I was planning to get them all on Steam. A complete collection, or Library if you will. Now EA comes along and says "No, we want more money, so you can't have your complete library!" So what now, am I gonna start buying the same games all over again through Origin just to have a complete library? NO! My O.C.D. only goes so far. R.I.P. EA! I don't care anymore.

One more thing to keep in mind is that Blizzard did it first. As far as I'm concerned anyways. But people cheered them on as they put their Battle.net and Blizzard store together. Why? Because Blizzard never sold their games through 3rd party digital distributors in the first place. So in that sense, Blizzard never took anything AWAY from us. They simply gave us an added option of digital purchase of their games through their own online store. EA has been selling their games through Steam and other digital distributors, and then suddenly (after people put down roots in these communities), EA flips the finger and says "No, we want more money!" THIS is why we're pissed off with EA!!! They took something away from us! They're forcing us to use Origin. We don't need it and we don't want it! And the ONLY reason they're doing this is to make more money. That's a fact, as far as I'm concerned, and it doesn't make them seem any friendlier to their customers. EA made me hate EA. I didn't arbitrarily choose to start hating them for no reason. Now it's up to EA to make me like them again. A good first step would be to get their games back on Steam, with all DLC!

Richy2k9 said:

hello ...

I don't play FPS, so don't really care about BF3, but i purchase a lot of games & more than 90% are from Steam.

I have 2 issues with Steam:

1st - Never reinstall / uninstall the Steam client without backing up the games or moving the folder, if you forget, prepare some time for DATA recovery + updates or complete re-download of full library.

2nd - Can't run City of Heroes now :P .. & Out of steam games aren't really logged & no achievements.

Why do I love Steam: most games are available to worldwide users, the price is always great during sales & 1 platform for all 'o 'em

Now on the other Side: Origin !!!

It's a no go for @ least 1 big reason: Even a cheap / discounted game for others isn't for me, for it shows i'm in SA & seems no sales out there!

So sorry, now EA will get less & less sales off me unless if it's a PSN game that's worth it or some really needed Disc-based 1, but with less support DLC side ...

I believe EA should not try to compete with others but provide something that can be integrated with existing platforms.

cheers!

stan4 said:

Well guys, it's not about Steam or Origin, it's about BATTLEFIELD, everyone that loves it will get it from anywhere no matter what. I just pointed what I liked about Origin.

If you're a silly 13 YO, you might take this as a competition, specially if your mommy didn't care enough for you, and will want to take sides.

MrAnderson said:

With steam you don't have to be online all the time. When I bought HL2 I was upset that It took forever to unencrypt the HL2 special edition I had on disk already. nce it was installed I played off line. I mind it a lot if I need to be online to ply games that have already been activated. That is why I'm not purhasing Ubisoft games for PC until that remove the always online DRM for single player campaigns... fortunately enough mucvh of their games I prefer to play on thje consoles... I only like FPS on the PC or exclusives. I've been burned by buying a game for PC only to find out that it will not let me play with my Logitech game pad and instead I must use Xbox PC game pad... or Keyboard and mouse. WTF is having the options of a PC for... too lazy to allow me to configure to PC game pad... directX already has the API to allow configing with a gamepad... Yes I'm talking to you Capcom!

Wow I digressed big time... I want battle field on PC rather than console, but now I must wait to see if it will require always online to play single player. At this rate, I will not be purchasing many of the PC games at lunch until those facts about playing offline is resolved. I refused to be on a publisher leash when I am a paying customer. I don't mind online activation... But If they want to collect information about what I'm doing in game (I know they are collecting aggrogate info at least) and use my internet connection... pay me a percentage of my internet bill I say. Or offer me something. No free rides... I paid for the product already.

Breech said:

I've been a PC gamer for many many years. I believe Steam's service to be second to none. I've had zero issues with it. I love Valve's titles on top of that. This whole situation is unfortunate as I was really looking forward to ME3 but if I can't get it through steam I'll probably pass. I never cared for EA as a company anyways. Damn them for taking my Madden away from me.

Guest said:

I want Mass Effect 3, but only on Steam.

r8bwp said:

I currently have 6 games unplayed on steam so i'm in no rush

being on the internet all the time is not such a hardship as it used to be as speeds have increased and unlimited downloads. Thank you sky!

So many internet accounts, its hard to keep track of them, different login details, passwords.

Though i will miss ea games on steam, my friends are on steam.

I for one will put my money back in my pocket

Guest said:

Tried to get some answers from EA regarding this.

http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/7372205.page#16430517

Nothing yet, zip, nothing, nada.

Dr Cyrax

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