Weekend Open Forum: Chime in on Windows 8.1 Preview

By on June 28, 2013, 7:00 PM
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Microsoft’s overhaul of Windows 8 is now live as Windows 8.1 Preview and can be downloaded as an ISO file. The software update delivers a number of worthwhile changes like the ability to boot to desktop and better search following months of criticism from users around the globe.

I haven’t tried it yet myself as I’m still primarily working with Windows 7 but at least a couple of my fellow TechSpot staffers are either already running the update or plan to do so in the near future.

Granted this is just a beta and there are risks to be aware of, we still must ask – have you installed Windows 8.1 Preview yet or do you plan to? If so, what are your thoughts? Chime in below!




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cliffordcooley cliffordcooley, TechSpot Paladin, said:

(n)(n) - I'll keep it short this time.

6 people like this | captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

Unlike that mean old Clifford, I'm giving it two thumbs up....(y) (y) ....(wait for it)....Steve Ballmer's behind.:eek:

2 people like this | TheBigFatClown said:

Oh wonderful news. The turd has been polished.

I had hopes that the return of the traditional "Start Menu" and the boot to desktop would give me some inspiration, some small desire, to at least give Windows 8 another look. But after seeing screenshots of the traditional "Start Menu" in the Windows 8.1 preview I honestly don't have much of a desire.

This is a revelation to myself. Something deeper is wrong with Windows 8 other than the traditional "Start Menu" being gone. I think I could live without a Start Menu. It's the whole watered down UI that just kills any desire to use this operating system. The square tiles everywhere make me wanna puke. They should have named Windows 8 "The Color Purple" but I think that's already been used as a movie title and Whoopie Goldberg might get upset about that.

I hate to say it but it seems that no matter what features Windows 8 might gain in the future I can't deal with the pre-school, square tile, color purple, touch-centric user interface. Microsoft could add native DVD-support back into Windows 8.2 and I still couldn't stomach the UI. It has a cheap look to it.

Okay, so it looks like Windows 7 Ultimate is my last Windows operating system. But being eternally optimistic I will certainly be watching the fate of the Windows operating system. Maybe Microsoft will realize what a complete and total failure the Windows 8 UI is on desktops if we just give them more time. It seems they have realized they aren't too big too fail. No thanks to all the brown nosers who purchased this turd on day 1.

4 people like this | RH00D RH00D said:

I really like Windows 8 and the changes coming in the free 8.1 update.

Part of me kind of gets entertained by all these OS gladiators getting their jimmies rustled about an operating system.

The icing on the cake is how when Windows 95 came out everyone hated the Start menu!

hahahanoobs hahahanoobs said:

I still can't get over why they would get rid of the classic start menu, but have two desktops, and two different types of apps/programs. I could live without a classic start menu, but W8 doesn't know what it wants to be yet. I might try it again if the reviews are positive after 8.1 goes final, but I can wait if nothing really changes.

2 people like this | Jeffrey Hunt Jeffrey Hunt said:

Oh wonderful news. The turd has been polished.

I had hopes that the return of the traditional "Start Menu" and the boot to desktop would give me some inspiration, some small desire, to at least give Windows 8 another look. But after seeing screenshots of the traditional "Start Menu" in the Windows 8.1 preview I honestly don't have much of a desire.

This is a revelation to myself. Something deeper is wrong with Windows 8 other than the traditional "Start Menu" being gone. I think I could live without a Start Menu. It's the whole watered down UI that just kills any desire to use this operating system. The square tiles everywhere make me wanna puke. They should have named Windows 8 "The Color Purple" but I think that's already been used as a movie title and Whoopie Goldberg might get upset about that.

I hate to say it but it seems that no matter what features Windows 8 might gain in the future I can't deal with the pre-school, square tile, color purple, touch-centric user interface. Microsoft could add native DVD-support back into Windows 8.2 and I still couldn't stomach the UI. It has a cheap look to it.

Okay, so it looks like Windows 7 Ultimate is my last Windows operating system. But being eternally optimistic I will certainly be watching the fate of the Windows operating system. Maybe Microsoft will realize what a complete and total failure the Windows 8 UI is on desktops if we just give them more time. It seems they have realized they aren't too big too fail. No thanks to all the brown nosers who purchased this turd on day 1.

Most of the people I know who are complaining (work colleagues) are resistant to change. You don't need a start menu anymore. Search is all you need. The better the search, the better the experience. I use windows 7 at work and have not navigated through the start menu once. All I do is click start then search. I have used windows 8 since developer preview at home and have loved it the whole time. I am NEVER in the metro/modern interface, but that's because I use it as a desktop, and spend all my time in the desktop. The new interface is designed for tablets. Power users will always use the desktop. They are two interfaces on one OS. It's a great concept. I also love the interface on server 2012. Just saying.

To recap, I love it. I will be upgrading, and as soon as I can begin rolling it out at work, I will be doing it. Just need to update SCCM 2012 to SP1 first so I can trial it. Enjoy your weekend.

TheBigFatClown said:

I really like Windows 8 and the changes coming in the free 8.1 update.

Part of me kind of gets entertained by all these OS gladiators getting their jimmies rustled about an operating system.

The icing on the cake is how when Windows 95 came out everyone hated the Start menu!

It's not about the "Start Menu". The "Start Menu" appears to have made a come back. But I still won't be updating to Windows 8. Nothing compels me to. It's still too repulsive.

cliffordcooley cliffordcooley, TechSpot Paladin, said:

Most of the people I know who are complaining (work colleagues) are resistant to change. You don't need a start menu anymore. Search is all you need. The better the search, the better the experience. I use windows 7 at work and have not navigated through the start menu once. All I do is click start then search. I have used windows 8 since developer preview at home and have loved it the whole time. I am NEVER in the metro/modern interface, but that's because I use it as a desktop, and spend all my time in the desktop. The new interface is designed for tablets. Power users will always use the desktop. They are two interfaces on one OS. It's a great concept. I also love the interface on server 2012. Just saying.
The way you are describing is more than likely the way I would use Windows 8. I'm simply waiting for MS to come to their senses and give the Desktop Users power over their own PC experience. After all we are not limited by lack of CPU/GPU performance. I didn't spend and will not spend $1500 on a desktop, so an OS can be limited in performance by tablet capabilities.

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

Most of the people I know who are complaining (work colleagues) are resistant to change. You don't need a start menu anymore. Search is all you need. The better the search, the better the experience. I use windows 7 at work and have not navigated through the start menu once. All I do is click start then search. I have used windows 8 since developer preview at home and have loved it the whole time. I am NEVER in the metro/modern interface, but that's because I use it as a desktop, and spend all my time in the desktop. The new interface is designed for tablets. Power users will always use the desktop. They are two interfaces on one OS. It's a great concept. I also love the interface on server 2012. Just saying.

To recap, I love it. I will be upgrading, and as soon as I can begin rolling it out at work, I will be doing it. Just need to update SCCM 2012 to SP1 first so I can trial it. Enjoy your weekend.

Here, I'll make this real simple for you. I'm not up for coughing up a hundred bucks or so as a donation, every time M$ decides they're going to pass the hat.

That should take all the BS, the anecdotal validation, the desire to "outwit, outplay, and outlast", dull, droning & dogmatic promotion of Windows 8 out of the equation.

Whatever it is or isn't, it isn't worth a hundred bucks.

MilwaukeeMike said:

I think 8.1 is a step in the right direction. That doesn't mean it's in the right place, but it's in the right direction.

The irony of course is that's it's a step closer to Windows 7.

TheBigFatClown said:

I think 8.1 is a step in the right direction. That doesn't mean it's in the right place, but it's in the right direction.

The irony of course is that's it's a step closer to Windows 7.

But that's on purpose because of all the backlash. They thought every Windows 7 user would bend over and drop their pants. Most of you did. They almost succeeded. But not just yet. Thanks to the crowd that has stood their ground.

Microsoft needs to come to the realization that you can't have "One UI to rule them all, NOT!." They should ink that slogan on Ballmers bald forehead. And then put mirrors on all his office walls.

1 person liked this | Kneep said:

My two cents

HATED 8 at first, it was, at first, uber glitchy and IE 10 blew when it was new. Now? With all the updates over the past few months I've found it to be much better, more stable, and a little faster / more responsive than Win7. For Desktops I use Classic Shell, hit the advanced options and KILL all metro-start screen options to make it more like Windows 7, after running it on all three PC's and my Tablet I'd never go back to Windows 7, 8 is just simple and fast and I've yet to see a BSOD too boot 8.1 is much more relevant to touch screen users, so I'll be looking forward to the finished product to toss on my Tablet

1 person liked this | captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

.....[ ].....after running it on all three PC's and my Tablet I'd never go back to Windows 7, 8 is just simple and fast and I've yet to see a BSOD too boot ....[ ]........
Believe it or not, I can say the same damned thing about XP SP2, and an 8 year old eMachine.

So please, don't try to pass off, "it hasn't blue screened yet", as a "feature", or an "improvement".

TheBigFatClown said:

Allow me to amplify subtle implications in your post?

Windows 7 BSODs often enough to compel it's fan base to upgrade to Windows 8...true of false? false. BSODs could also be more closely related to your hardware configuration and the software you have installed versus the operating system itself. I can't remember the last time my Windows 7 installation has BSOD'ed.

Windows 8 is faster than Windows 7...true of false? true...why? because the UI is purple square blocks

Windows 7 is too complex for most people....true or false? true for the crowd Windows 8 has targeted..if Windows 7 is too complex for you as a user...my advice...get a tablet, stay way from desktops all together.

The reason you can't go back to Windows 7 is because Windows 8 is "simple" and "fast"(no argument there It's a perfect fit for a tablet operating system. Simple and fast. However, there is a subtle implication that is misleading in this statement as well. And that is that Windows 7 can't be fast as well. Almost everything in life has tradeoffs.

So what's the underlying hidden message in your post...is it something we haven't heard before....could that be possible...."Try it you'll like it." Oh darn. No, same old tired argument.

MilwaukeeMike said:

Windows 8 is faster than Windows 7...true of false? true...why? because the UI is purple square blocks

Windows 7 is too complex for most people....true or false? true for the crowd Windows 8 has targeted..ifWindows 7 is too complex for you as a user...my advice...get a tablet, stay way from desktops all together.

The reason you can't go back to Windows 7 is because Windows 8 is "simple" and "fast"(no argument there It's a perfect fit for a tablet operating system. Simple and fast. However, there is a subtle implication that is misleading in this statement as well. And that is that Windows 7 can't be fast as well. Almost everything in life has tradeoffs.

So what's the underlying hidden message in your post...is it something we haven't heard before....could that be possible...."Try it you'll like it." Oh darn. No, same old tired argument.

Maybe I wasn't home the day Microsoft showed up at my house and forced me to buy Windows 8, but to me the differences are just preferences. I don't ever remember standing my ground when they tried to take away my Windows 7. I prefer 7, so I'm using 7, if you prefer 8, then use 8. It's going to be pretty hard to win an argument that 7 is 'better' because you prefer it. It's an opinion. I like blueberries better than strawberries... can you prove me wrong?

When I hear someone likes 8 better I want to know why, and how they're using it. Maybe there are things about I would prefer if I learned more.

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Julio Franco Julio Franco, TechSpot Editor, said:

I like Windows 8 better than Windows 7, it's better optimized in a number of areas that matter to me (on the desktop since I barely use the Metro side). However, Windows 8.1 is what Windows 8 should have been, since it patches up some glaring mistakes Microsoft made when they introduced forced Metro into the flow of the OS.

The wallpaper thing is big - at least to me. I wish they added an option to double-click the Metro Start screen and let you go back to the desktop. The flow would be better optimized for desktop users then.

Other cosmetic changes, while subtle, reinforce and improve the marriage between two otherwise disparate OS ecosystems. I understand Microsoft's decision to force in Metro, and it's a big win for all touch-enabled devices, but for the desktop there should have been less compromises and 8.1 improves in that respect.

Search is also finally not broken. One of the key criticism I had when I reviewed Windows 8 at launch.

TheBigFatClown said:

Maybe I wasn't home the day Microsoft showed up at my house and forced me to buy Windows 8, but to me the differences are just preferences. I don't ever remember standing my ground when they tried to take away my Windows 7. I prefer 7, so I'm using 7, if you prefer 8, then use 8. It's going to be pretty hard to win an argument that 7 is 'better' because you prefer it. It's an opinion. I like blueberries better than strawberries... can you prove me wrong?

When I hear someone likes 8 better I want to know why, and how they're using it. Maybe there are things about I would prefer if I learned more.

And I wish that's what people would just come out and say. Stop trying to get people to like Windows 8 by spewing nonsense. Less BSODs on Windows 8 than Windows 7? Rare, if ANY on my computer. Faster than Windows 7...yeah because of tradeoffs(square purple tiles instead of beautiful smooth windows with transparency) when you compare the same system but my system is powerful enough not to even worry about the performance gains....."Try it, you'll like it?" Translation: "Try it,, you'll get used to it".

You say it best Mike. It does come down to nothing but preferences at this point I guess."

I have no doubt there are things I would like about Windows 8 if I learned more. But the UI repulses me. There are lots of women with a good heart but if you can't stomach their face it's gonna be pretty hard to even wanna talk to them in the first place. Just a little analogy for people to think about maybe.

Microsoft is trying to please all people with one core operating system that is highly biased towards mobile devices. If they can accommodate both segments(desktop and mobile) in the same operating system only then will everyone be happy.

1 person liked this | ShadowDeath said:

I haven't been one of the fortunate ones. Since I bumped it up to Windows 8.1 over Windows 8 I've had desktop freezing when I right click on it. I've had my computer lock up just sitting there doing noting. Definitely not good times with this update so far.

1 person liked this | captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

Duh wull, I still like XP sometimes. But then I fire up Win 7, and there's the parade of "female figure studies", in glorious procession.

And so, it is with heavy heart that I say unto you, I still believe the best place for those square tiles, would be to hammer them into any round hole portion of Mr. Ballmer's anatomy.

I like Windows 8 better than Windows 7, it's better optimized in a number of areas that matter to me (on the desktop since I barely use the Metro side). However, Windows 8.1 is what Windows 8 should have been, since it patches up some glaring mistakes Microsoft made when they introduced forced Metro into the flow of the OS.

Julio, it occurs to me, that selecting a Windows OS, bears a striking similarity to picking which presidential candidate to vote for here in the US. You listen to all the arguments, the hype, the distortions and slander, then you vote for the one you hate the least.

Scot A said:

8.1 really shines on my Surface Pro. These are really nice improvements, the OS should have been originally released with these revisions. There should of been more consideration with consumer remarks when Win 8 consumer preview went live.

My recommendations for system builders is to do a PC Reset, then run 8.1 update on top of that.

2 people like this | Guest said:

RH00D said:

I really like Windows 8 and the changes coming in the free 8.1 update.

Part of me kind of gets entertained by all these OS gladiators getting their jimmies rustled about an operating system.

The icing on the cake is how when Windows 95 came out everyone hated the Start menu!

ROTFLMAO! The real icing on the cake " how when Windows 95 came out everyone nobody hated the Start menu" ... because they had no reason to since the old interface remained as a choice! People who actually moved from Win3x to Win95 were too overwhelmed by an actual 32-bit OS with pre-emptive multitasking ( finally! ), unlimited virtual memory available to programs, much less crashing and fairly reliable PnP to complain about the new Start Menu which they didn't *have* to use in the first place. We wouldn't even be talking about this if Microsoft had included the Start Menu as an option in Win8.

A lot of MetroTards repeat this meme because they obviously don't know any better having seen it at some website in a MetroTard comment. But it is hysterical to read it if you were actually a part of the Win3x transition years. The Start Menu killed in Win8 was 17 years old at the time. By comparison ProgMan in Win3x wasn't a day over 5 years old when Win95 came along ( and that was only true for the few of us that used the earliest versions of Windows 3.0 ). Most people got it with a new computer and that would most likely be Windows 3.1 in mid-1992. So the overwhelming majority of people would have only used the Win3x Program Manager about 3 years total, hardly enough time to become wedded to it, let alone hate the replacement! Killing the Start Menu after 17 years with no official way of going back is what led to the massive revolt now. And for the love of God, everyone I know hated that damn Win3x interface and ran as fast as they could to Windows 95. That's the actual truth of the matter.

I note that you used the curious phrasing: " the changes coming in the free 8.1 update ". This is wording you would expect used by Microsoft shills, the astroturfers that are flooding the net trying but failing to save this dog. Regular people would have said: "the changes coming in Windows 8.1" period. So why exactly would you do that?

Raoul Duke Raoul Duke said:

Only have seen very little on 8.1. If it improves metro enough maybe I'll actually spend the time to learn how to use it instead of booting right to the desktop with a Start8 start button + menu. So far metro is a turd wrapped in gold foil being foisted onto the masses as an 'improvement'. Not all change is for the better.

Saintnsinner said:

People by nature don't like change and they certainly are not going to shell out money to be moved away from what their comfortable with. Windows 7 is a great operating system for desktop computers. Microsoft cut Windows 7's life cycle short way to soon so unless you have a touch screen device there's really no compelling reason to upgrade to Windows 8. Microsoft should have developed Windows 8 as a seperate touch screen operating system or they could have offered Metro as a UI that ran on top of Windows 7 for touch screen users. If you think about it the bulk of Microsofts customers are still standard PC users without touch screens. It was a bad idea to try and market a touch screen operating system to a majority of desktop users who are happy with their current desktop operating system.

2 people like this | Saintnsinner said:

And just to add one more thought, I'm offended Microsoft is trying to turn my PC into a giant Android device. I don't want to get finger prints all over my beautiful high definition monitor. And let's face it when you really need to get some work done you don't turn to your touch device. You turn to your good old PC. Ok I'm done.

Guest said:

It's running fine on my Media PC, though PowerDVD 13 is now having some issues that weren't present in Windows 8, such as showing resizing bars unless the font size is left at 100%, and problems returning to the Media Center main screen.

I blame Cyberlink for these issues though, as they are notorious for having to release OOOOPS fixes.

earthquake10 said:

If you would simply open your eyes to very inexpensive or free third-party programs such as Stardock's Start8 ($4.99), you would discover that the Windows 7 Start Menu is back, in full (customization and all), as well as the automatic ability to start Windows in the desktop mode. This program works on both Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 Preview. It's also fully compatible with the new multi-monitor feature in 8.1 Preview which places a taskbar on both monitors. You can also customize the start button to your liking, e.g., Windows 7 glossy orbs. Windows 8 & 8.1 are both faster and more secure than Windows 7, for your general information.

NimbusTLD said:

I want the option to remove the Start button! I don't need it, I know that pressing there will open the Start Screen, now it's just taking up real estate. I understand why they put it back: new users would have no idea how to get to the Start Screen. I however, do know, so don't need it. I hope they bring the option to disable it in later builds.

The smaller tiles are also a welcome addition, now I can fit more programs before needing to scroll the Start Screen.

They seem to have acknowledged that the Windows+X menu is an essential resource for the power user by adding more useful options.

I'm a big fan of Windows 8, and I find that 8.1 refines some small niggles that make the OS smoother to use than before.

ReederOnTheRun ReederOnTheRun said:

I installed Windows 8.1; I can definitely tell its in early beta though. I originally got it for the unified search and greater start screen customization options, but they definitely weren't working correctly for me. The search was really slow and didn't search everything like it was supposed to. It looked like it was only correctly searching everything when I clicked into it's specially designed search screen (this made it even slower). Also, I couldn't find any start screen customization options at all through the start screen search. This isn't a huge deal since I have Launchy for searches anyways, but then I noticed it renamed all of my chrome app shortcuts to "chrome.exe" and it blocked avg from working. I tried to reinstall avg, but for some reason wouldn't let me download anything from Chrome anymore without "free download manager" installed. I tried to use a restore point to erase the Windows 8.1 update, but it wouldn't let me even when I disabled all antiviruses and used the advanced restore option. I ended up just doing a clean install of Windows 8.0.

Normally, I would stick with it just to figure out why it was acting strange, but I have finals coming up, and I don't have time to mess with a beta operating system. I like Windows 8, and 8.1 will definitely add some great features, but I'd still suggest waiting a little bit for the bugs to be worked out before upgrading (unless you have the time and are interested in that stuff).

JC713 JC713 said:

I really like Windows 8 and the changes coming in the free 8.1 update.

Part of me kind of gets entertained by all these OS gladiators getting their jimmies rustled about an operating system.

The icing on the cake is how when Windows 95 came out everyone hated the Start menu!

So true! I feel 81 is a step forward, but MS is still hesitant. The start buttons usability according to some review videos is pretty crappy. You have to right click to shut down? How is that easy for the average tech newbie to figure out?

Nobina Nobina said:

I feel like MS took 2 steppes back with Windows 8 and now they took 1 step forward with 8.1. So they are still 1 step behind Windows 7 and the next step would be bringing us start menu back, or giving us to choose between 2 different UIs.

Nobina Nobina said:

Quick Q: When Windows completely releases Windows 8.1, not preview, will it be released as every other Windows on DVD or it would only be released as an update to Windows 8, so you would have to have Windows 8 to get 8.1?

tipstir tipstir, TS Ambassador, said:

They should just get on with it and release Windows 9 for 64-bit systems.

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

If you would simply open your eyes to very inexpensive or free third-party programs such as Stardock's Start8 ($4.99), you would discover that the Windows 7 Start Menu is back, in full (customization and all), as well as the automatic ability to start Windows in the desktop mode.....[ ]....
Right, Windows 8 can be turned into Windows 7, by simply purchasing another program. Thanks for the heads up on that. Nobody here was aware of that. (not)

While you're at it, you should buy "Windows Media Center" from M$ to complete the "retrograde".

Before you say anything, WMC works just fine, excellent in fact. So, there's no need to labor on about WMC is crap, and we should be glad to be rid of it.

So, we'll be seein' ya at the M$ app store then?

Guest said:

All Windows 8 news laughing me.

Windows 8 on PC like cheerleader skirt on Arnold Schwarzenegger.

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

All Windows 8 news laughing me.

Windows 8 on PC like cheerleader skirt on Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Either that or Kanye West in a leather kilt.

1 person liked this | Railman said:

I often have conversations with IT professionals and so far I have not met one who thinks Windows 8 is good. I think that MS have shown very poor judgment and it shows that their current management are not fit for the job.

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

...[ ].....A lot of MetroTards repeat this meme because they obviously don't know any better having seen it at some website in a MetroTard comment. ....[ ]....
First we developed the A-bomb, then we developed the H-bomb. Now, a guest leaks the fact we have succeeded in a true breakthrough in bloodless warfare, "The P-Bomb"!

Hit the deck, you unworthy "Metrotards", incoming pejoritive........!:eek:

I think that MS have shown very poor judgment and it shows that their current management are not fit for the job.
Dude, "unfit"? How can you call Steve Ballmer "unfit"? At least without a modifying adverb. More like, "wholly unfit", or maybe, "totally unfit", "tragically unfit"....et al...

Or the ancient folk simile, which I just wrote this morning, "he's like a jack*** in the Hummel factory".

Railman said:

Another thought. Steve Ballmer and company are no better than the bankers who started the world wide recession. Overpaid and don't care what misery they inflict on people.

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

Another thought. Steve Ballmer and company are no better than the bankers who started the world wide recession. Overpaid and don't care what misery they inflict on people.
The scary part is they are better, better off! I would suspect that Bill Gates has a lot more money than the average banker, and many of the top guys as well.

Saintnsinner said:

Actually giving home loans to unworthy borrowers for over inflated houses is what started the recession. Which was pretty much fueled by our socialist government. It's amazing how capitalism has been successfully demonized and the blame has been squarely placed on the successful in this country. The founding Fathers, who by the way were a bunch of rich guys, are rolling over in their graves.

1 person liked this | captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

Actually giving home loans to unworthy borrowers for over inflated houses is what started the recession. Which was pretty much fueled by our socialist government. It's amazing how capitalism has been successfully demonized and the blame has been squarely placed on the successful in this country. The founding Fathers, who by the way were a bunch of rich guys, are rolling over in their graves.

And the next part of this fairytale is when you explain that lawyers and predatory lenders aren't vulgar parasites.

I will concede the point that that more money you print to give away to assist the poor in reproducing, the less it's value becomes.

Although my neighborhood's flagship social program, "hard drugs for food stamps", seems to be a resounding, "success"....

Railman said:

Sorry Saintnsinner but your view is a load of bollocks. The recession in Europe was not as a result of the housing market. Had the banks been in a stronger position they would not have tumbled down like a stack of cards. Clearly the capitaiist model which you have such faith in has failed big time. If anything is to blame it is the short term bonus schemes and lack of forward planning.

Personally I believe that a mixed econony is by far the best option. Take the best from each rather than a slavish ideological cul de sac which the Tea Party espouses.

Saintnsinner said:

Well I hate lawyers so you get no argument on them from me, but unless you can tell me your mortgage company is coming for your first born because you missed a payment then I'd have to say you've been drinking the Kool Aid too, Captain.

gcarter gcarter said:

I have windows 8 dual booting with windows 7 (well triple booting as I have ubuntu in the mix as well)... and yes, for the majority of my computing time, Im within windows7. However now and again I will boot into windows 8 and use it for a day or so.

As the world seems to be progressing to everything tablet nowadays, like it or not, if Microsoft hadn't released windows8 with a heavy emphasis on tablet features, they would have been criticized for not keeping up with trends in technology.

Its unfortunate that MS found themselves in a dammed if you do and dammed if you don't situation.

Personally, I see Windows 8 like I viewed vista... a test bed for radical changes. Im not going to install the beta of 8.1, rather bide my time until its officially rolled out.

Again, it had to happen, Microsoft have plenty of cash in the bank to ride out the "I hate windows 8" storm until features and tweaks settle in.

4 people like this | Railman said:

People don't hate Windows 8 because of its support of mobile devices, but due to the lack of support for traditional desktops. They should have given users more options not less.

2 people like this | gcarter gcarter said:

Railman has hit the nail on the head with this comment... a lot of hate simply because there is a lot of features for tablet / touch screen users, which as a traditional keyboard and mouse user, dont mesh too well with a standard desktop or laptop.

On the top of my list, is for MS to bring back the same amount of visual tweaks which were in windows 7, for example being able to have transparencies again, and slim out the borders etc

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

Well I hate lawyers so you get no argument on them from me, but unless you can tell me your mortgage company is coming for your first born because you missed a payment then I'd have to say you've been drinking the Kool Aid too, Captain.
I can tell you there's plenty of blame to go around. PBS did this topic and interviewed a couple who lost their $400.000 house that they put an astounding $3000 down to get. Talk about, "drinking the Koolaid", then they were going to sue Wells Fargo for giving them the mortgage! In this day and age, nobody in the US is responsible for their own actions. Just an entire generation of needy, pampered, overindulged sociopaths, who think the world owes them everything.

And count Steve Ballmer among the elite of that class. Sort of like, "the King of Sociopaths".

I'm still convinced Bill Gates left that douche in charge of his company, to make himself look indispensable.

Railman said:

So Bill Gate has done a Emperor Tiberius by appointing Caligula to succeed him. Well both Caligula and Bulllmer both give public displays of madness.

earthquake10 said:

I installed the Windows 8.1 Preview when Microsoft first released it and am generally quite satisfied, though since it's a preview it does have a few bugs to be worked out -- most annoying of which is that icons remain frozen in place on the desktop. I use Stardock's Start8 and ModernMix and have a much faster and more secure "version" of Windows 7 now. ModernMix, by the way, allows you to take your favorite Modern UI programs and use them fully on the desktop complete with pinning the programs' icons onto the taskbar. It adds minimize, maximize and close just like regular desktop programs. I also found a freeware program on Major Geeks' website (can't remember the name) which restores transparency. So, with 3 simple programs all the complaints about Windows 8.1 disappear! And for less than $10.

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

I So, with 3 simple programs all the complaints about Windows 8.1 disappear! And for less than $10.
And so do two, "it's not delivery, it's DiGiorno" dinners.

Being happy to pay for stuff that really should be in there, sounds like the old military meme, "thank you sir, may I have another"?

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