Neowin reviews Windows 8.1

By on October 18, 2013, 10:30 AM
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Windows 8.1 is the start of something new for Microsoft. It’s a dynamic shift in strategy for its core OS and it is also a refinement to Windows 8, one that will likely shift the tide in terms of user perception.

Prior to this release, Windows 8 had been a toss-up between a dramatic separation from the traditional Windows platform, and a push in creating a new user experience that is touch-friendly. The result was that Windows 8 was a hybrid OS - and consumer reaction to this was mixed, to say the least - but there were some glimmers of real innovation tucked inside the OS.

Windows 8.1 builds upon Windows 8 and includes many new features that were requested by consumers. The most obvious change is the return of the Start button, but not the Start menu, and the ability to boot directly to the desktop.

Even with the new features, will Windows 8.1 be enough to convince the crowd that stuck with Windows 7 that 8.1 offers big enough improvements to make the jump? Read the full review below to see what’s new with Windows 8.1.

Read the rest of the review.

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1 person liked this | TheBigFatClown said:

"Even with the new features, will Windows 8.1 be enough to convince the crowd that stuck with Windows 7 that 8.1 offers big enough improvements to make the jump?"

I'll answer that question. No, it isn't enough. The name Windows 8 has become synonymous with catastrophe, train wreck, and disaster. They got the version number right. A .1 in changes from the garbage that was initially released is not enough to convince me to care about Windows 8 at all. Get back to 32-bit color schemes, transparent/smooth/curved borders. This must happen before I can even stomach looking at the desktop. All I see in Windows 8 is purple boxes. And this silly scheme is permeating their websites as well. Kill the ******* color purple for God sakes. It's ridiculous. Stop pretending that my desktop computer is a Commodore Vic-20. It's insulting. Bring back user choice. All of it. Fire Julie Larson for her sins. And when you guys get around to releasing Windows 9 I might come back around and give you some more of my money. If I were to predict the future, I see myself sitting out of Windows 8 all together unless they start making some radical changes.

Windows 8.1 just doesn't do enough. So, no, I won't be moving for awhile. Maybe never. Guess we will see how bad Microsoft wants hardcore users and businesses to continue supporting them. If they consider trading us for the "tween" market who just wanna watch YouTube and update their twitter feeds a good trade than all hope is lost. It's still their game to lose.

If you don't wanna make hard choices I gotta a little tip for you. Don't buy a ******* operating system at all. Buy a console. And consume. Yes you they will be releasing Battlefield 4 for both XBox fifty-cent(aka XBox 180) and the Playstation 4. So you are covered.

2 people like this | Guest said:

Also, stop drawing boxes around icons and calling them tiles. Just put the dang icons there!

1 person liked this | cliffordcooley cliffordcooley, TechSpot Paladin, said:

Get back to 32-bit color schemes, transparent/smooth/curved borders. This must happen before I can even stomach looking at the desktop. All I see in Windows 8 is purple boxes. And this silly scheme is permeating their websites as well. Kill the ******* color purple for God sakes. It's ridiculous. Stop pretending that my desktop computer is a Commodore Vic-20. It's insulting. Bring back user choice. All of it.
Thats the way I feel about it.

Scavengers Scavengers said:

I have been using 8 since early summer. Now, 7 feels old and clunky.

No more diving into the start menu. Its all right there now on the "don't call it Metro" desktop.

The tiles I don't want? I remove them. And then they are gone for good.

Oh, and when a tile stops updating the information within it. Then yes maybe then we can call them icons too.

Dave

TheBigFatClown said:

I have been using 8 since early summer. Now, 7 feels old and clunky.

No more diving into the start menu. Its all right there now on the "don't call it Metro" desktop.

The tiles I don't want? I remove them. And then they are gone for good.

Oh, and when a tile stops updating the information within it. Then yes maybe then we can call them icons too.

Dave

Windows 7 probably feels old because it is old. So Windows 7 being 'old' is not a 'feeling' its a fact. I am not sure what your point there is. Maybe your point is anything that is newer is better? Is that your point? Clunky? What hardware are you running Windows 8 on? What theme were you running on Windows 7? What color depth was your desktop set at on Windows 7? How many years ago did you install Windows 7? How many applications are installed on your Windows 7 computer? How many are installed on your Windows 8 rig? You probably cant answer any of these questions. Of course Windows 8 feels faster because it's square purple boxes. It was made for a tablet. It amazes me how many people bash Windows 7 as being 'old and clunky' by comparing it to an operating system that was made, first and foremost, for tablets and cellphones.

I'll never understand why people wanna run a tablet operating system on a desktop.

Scavengers Scavengers said:

Its not a "tablet operating system on a desktop". Its a fully touch screen capable OS. And one click after it boots and you can get it back to looking very much like 95-98-ME-XP-Vista-7 again.

Since I have run my own PC shop since 1993 I can easily answer your ridiculous questions. I just choose not to because you are nerd raging, so no honest answer\opinion will be good enough for you.

Dave

Scavengers Scavengers said:

I have an idea! Why don't we all start asking why we would want a desktop OS on a tablet?

Dave

TheBigFatClown said:

Its not a "tablet operating system on a desktop". Its a fully touch screen capable OS. And one click after it boots and you can get it back to looking very much like 95-98-ME-XP-Vista-7 again.

Since I have run my own PC shop since 1993 I can easily answer your ridiculous questions. I just choose not to because you are nerd raging, so no honest answer\opinion will be good enough for you.

Dave

Nerd raging? LOL. Okay, let me finish wrapping the bandages around my bleeding fists and repair the window I broke when I threw my keyboard out the window then I'll calm down so that you can enlighten us about what makes Windows 8 so new and exciting to use on a desktop(key issue here) versus Windows 7. Go ahead my friend, convince us all how wonderful Windows 8 is. As Frasier Crane would say, "I'm listening".

Scavengers Scavengers said:

Well for one thing my work\gaming machine has a touch screen monitor. So the "don't call it Metro" interface is damn cool IMO.

One more thing too TBFC. Don't forget disinfectant before the bandages

Dave

TheBigFatClown said:

Be honest. Microsoft's Windows 8 UI is touch-centric. You spin it by saying that Windows 8 is a fully capable touch operating system. Call it what it is. Touch was not an afterthought. It was the focus. Why was it the focus? Because desktop users are beating Microsoft's door down saying, "WE WANT TOUCH. WE WANT TOUCH". Is that why the touch-ui was 'the' focus of Windows 8? Hell no. It's because Microsoft seen how much money Apple is making with their iPhones and iPads. And they want a piece of that pie. They wanted to remain relevant in a world where the majority of people are simpletons who just wanna consume content.

Microsoft doesn't care about business or productivity customers anymore. Why can't people just admit the truth? Windows 8 was made 'for the MASSES'. It wasn't made for businesses/hardcore users. The funny thing is how many hardcore users are touting Windows 8 as being so wonderful when it is, in fact, first and foremost, an operating system designed for tablets/cellphones. That was Microsofts target audience. They thought businesses would just roll over and accept it. That's not happening.

You love Windows 8, that's obvious. But there's no way you can convince a business or a hardcore user that's it a better 'overall' operating system than Windows 7 without deceiving them or deceiving yourself. It isn't. It wasn't meant to be 'better' than Windows 7. It was made for a new generation of consumers. If you like Windows 8 that's just icing on the cake. Some people love change.

You use touch when playing games...When did they release angry birds for the PC? LOL.

Lionvibez said:

Well for one thing my work\gaming machine has a touch screen monitor. So the "don't call it Metro" interface is damn cool IMO.

One more thing too TBFC. Don't forget disinfectant before the bandages

Dave

how do you deal with all the bloody fingers prints all over your screen.

That alone prevents me getting a touch screen monitor for my primary desktop which I do work on!

I don't even need to get into metro and all the other stuff that annoys me about windows 8.

There isn't anything on windows 8 that I can't do on 7 and I don't have to deal with fisher price tiles.

I don't have to be adding start menu addon so it works like windows 7.

1 person liked this | Vrmithrax Vrmithrax, TechSpot Paladin, said:

I have an idea! Why don't we all start asking why we would want a desktop OS on a tablet?

Dave

You've hit on half of the problem there... MS never bothered to ask why we would want a desktop OS on a tablet, and a tablet OS on a desktop. The answer is usually: why the hell would we want that?

The entire Windows8 acceptance debacle - virtually ALL of it - could have been completely avoided if MS had just given the consumer (or even the OEM/integrator) the option to set the "Modern" UI as default (for touch-enabled tablets, laptops, people who want it), or a TRUE desktop (classic Start menu, not this "here's your damn Start button you ungrateful brats but you still have to use the Start screen hahahahasuckit" fix provided in 8.1).

2 people like this | Vrmithrax Vrmithrax, TechSpot Paladin, said:

Well for one thing my work\gaming machine has a touch screen monitor. So the "don't call it Metro" interface is damn cool IMO.

Haha I had somebody else use that argument with me when we were discussing Win8, and I was arguing that it's excellent on tablet/mobile platforms (I personally love the Surface products), but horrid on productive desktops. He got all defensive, and said his monitor at work and his gaming rig at home are both touch-enabled and the tiles are sooo cool. Then I pointed out that touch-enabled desktop monitors probably only account for a single-digit percentage when you look at the total number of monitors in use right now. And that, ergonomically, using a touch-enabled interface in a productive desktop environment is ridiculously inefficient, particularly for repetitive tasks. I asked him how often he actually uses the touch on his desk monitor, he paused, and reluctantly said "hardly ever, since the monitor is so far back on my desk to allow me to actually have some working room." Then I moved on and said it must be really cool on your gaming system with that big monitor, but how do you game with your face only 18 inches or less from it? Since that is the maximum optimal distance for a touch interface to even be remotely effective and all that. At this point, even more reluctantly, he pointed out that his monitor is much farther back than that, and he has to really reach to use the Start Screen. When I asked him how comfortable that was, he didn't appear to want to answer, so I added "and you paid HOW much more for those monitors to be touch-enabled?" and he just clammed up. Think I broke the poor guy, he got all sulky and doesn't want to talk to me much any more. Guess people don't appreciate having their personal reality distortion bubbles burst?

cliffordcooley cliffordcooley, TechSpot Paladin, said:

Think I broke the poor guy, he got all sulky and doesn't want to talk to me much any more. Guess people don't appreciate having their personal reality distortion bubbles burst?
LOL

Scavengers Scavengers said:

Be honest. Microsoft's Windows 8 UI is touch-centric. You spin it by saying that Windows 8 is a fully capable touch operating system. Call it what it is. Touch was not an afterthought. It was the focus. Why was it the focus? Because desktop users are beating Microsoft's door down saying, "WE WANT TOUCH. WE WANT TOUCH". Is that why the touch-ui was 'the' focus of Windows 8? Hell no. It's because Microsoft seen how much money Apple is making with their iPhones and iPads. And they want a piece of that pie. They wanted to remain relevant in a world where the majority of people are simpletons who just wanna consume content.

Microsoft doesn't care about business or productivity customers anymore. Why can't people just admit the truth? Windows 8 was made 'for the MASSES'. It wasn't made for businesses/hardcore users. The funny thing is how many hardcore users are touting Windows 8 as being so wonderful when it is, in fact, first and foremost, an operating system designed for tablets/cellphones. That was Microsofts target audience. They thought businesses would just roll over and accept it. That's not happening.

You love Windows 8, that's obvious. But there's no way you can convince a business or a hardcore user that's it a better 'overall' operating system than Windows 7 without deceiving them or deceiving yourself. It isn't. It wasn't meant to be 'better' than Windows 7. It was made for a new generation of consumers. If you like Windows 8 that's just icing on the cake. Some people love change.

You use touch when playing games...When did they release angry birds for the PC? LOL.

Its a shame I have to tell you I use m\kb or controllers in games.

And I don't love W8. I love my wife and kids and my Lab Ziggy.

Loving or hating a piece of software? Those folks have far more issues than the software they have such deep emotional ties to.

Last. I have to ask. You said that W8 "wasn't made for businesses/hardcore users".

Seeing that I am both, I'm curious how you mean that. From the standard desktop in W8 I will turn the tables on you a bit.

What can I do in W7 that I cant do in 8?

Dave

2 people like this | Lionvibez said:

Its a shame I have to tell you I use m\kb or controllers in games.

And I don't love W8. I love my wife and kids and my Lab Ziggy.

Loving or hating a piece of software? Those folks have far more issues than the software they have such deep emotional ties to.

Last. I have to ask. You said that W8 "wasn't made for businesses/hardcore users".

Seeing that I am both, I'm curious how you mean that. From the standard desktop in W8 I will turn the tables on you a bit.

What can I do in W7 that I cant do in 8?

Dave

how about a nice looking desktop with aero glass instead of a flat boring one that looks like they ripped it out of windows 2000!

cliffordcooley cliffordcooley, TechSpot Paladin, said:

What can I do in W7 that I cant do in 8?
Actually look at the screen. I can't stand Windows 7 Home Basic and that to me is the way I see Windows 8. But if I had to choose between the two, I'd choose Windows 7 Home Basic. If Windows Aero wasn't such a big deal, why was it disabled in Win7 Home Basic and Win7 Starter? I don't expect you to understand my resentment, since you obviously don't dislike Windows 8.

TheBigFatClown said:

Its a shame I have to tell you I use m\kb or controllers in games.

And I don't love W8. I love my wife and kids and my Lab Ziggy.

Loving or hating a piece of software? Those folks have far more issues than the software they have such deep emotional ties to.

Last. I have to ask. You said that W8 "wasn't made for businesses/hardcore users".

Seeing that I am both, I'm curious how you mean that. From the standard desktop in W8 I will turn the tables on you a bit.

What can I do in W7 that I cant do in 8?

Dave

Okay, ummm, why does your gaming machine have a touch-screen monitor? Because you make lots of money and thought it would be neat to have it on every computer, right? Okay then.

It's not about what you can or cannot do on 7 versus 8. It's about the 'how'. I guess it comes down to preferences and since your happy on Windows 8 that's all that really matters in the end. Isnt it?

Enjoy.

Guest said:

8 had me thinking about switching to Apple or Linux, and I hate Apple. It was that bad.

8.1 gives me hope I won't have to but I'm waiting for 9 and if it's crap, bye bye MS.

I blame Ballmer. MS is not Apple and MS need to make multiple products for multiple users, not force us all to use something that only suits the fanboys.

Scavengers Scavengers said:

Its a shame I have to tell you I use m\kb or controllers in games.

And I don't love W8. I love my wife and kids and my Lab Ziggy.

Loving or hating a piece of software? Those folks have far more issues than the software they have such deep emotional ties to.

Last. I have to ask. You said that W8 "wasn't made for businesses/hardcore users".

Seeing that I am both, I'm curious how you mean that. From the standard desktop in W8 I will turn the tables on you a bit.

What can I do in W7 that I cant do in 8?

Dave

how about a nice looking desktop with aero glass instead of a flat boring one that looks like they ripped it out of windows 2000!

That's understandable. If you don't like the look and feel no point in making the leap to 8.

Thank you for a voice of reason.

Dave

Scavengers Scavengers said:

Its a shame I have to tell you I use m\kb or controllers in games.

And I don't love W8. I love my wife and kids and my Lab Ziggy.

Loving or hating a piece of software? Those folks have far more issues than the software they have such deep emotional ties to.

Last. I have to ask. You said that W8 "wasn't made for businesses/hardcore users".

Seeing that I am both, I'm curious how you mean that. From the standard desktop in W8 I will turn the tables on you a bit.

What can I do in W7 that I cant do in 8?

Dave

Okay, ummm, why does your gaming machine have a touch-screen monitor? Because you make lots of money and thought it would be neat to have it on every computer, right? Okay then.

It's not about what you can or cannot do on 7 versus 8. It's about the 'how'. I guess it comes down to preferences and since your happy on Windows 8 that's all that really matters in the end. Isnt it?

Enjoy.

Absolutely.

I went with a touch screen because I use Sony Vegas Pro editing software. There was a patch that added touch capability. It is incredible. Just the edit\scrub wheel that can be spun on the screen frame by frame made it worth it.

Dave

Nobina Nobina said:

8 had me thinking about switching to Apple or Linux, and I hate Apple. It was that bad.

8.1 gives me hope I won't have to but I'm waiting for 9 and if it's crap, bye bye MS.

Why don't you just move back to Windows 7? You don't have to have the latest operating system.

Skidmarksdeluxe Skidmarksdeluxe said:

Yeah I agree, why do we have to have the latest operating system. If you like 7, so be it. If you prefer 8.1 then use it. Contrary to popular belief, newer doesn't always mean better but one of these days we'll all have to let go of 7.

cliffordcooley cliffordcooley, TechSpot Paladin, said:

but one of these days we'll all have to let go of 7.
Thats the point right there. If we were not forced to move on eventually, there would be no grounds for bitching.

Railman said:

but one of these days we'll all have to let go of 7.
Thats the point right there. If we were not forced to move on eventually, there would be no grounds for bitching.

There are alternatives to MS. Apple, Linux and Chrome off the top of my head. Linux would be my first choice as it is not locked down.

cliffordcooley cliffordcooley, TechSpot Paladin, said:

There are alternatives to MS. Apple, Linux and Chrome off the top of my head. Linux would be my first choice as it is not locked down.

Yes and out of those three choices, Linux is the only one I would consider. It just so happens, I am considering Linux. The problem with that though is I now have to learn a whole new environment, and non of my most used applications work outside of Windows. So all in all changing to spite change will be a greater hassle. Thanks for the suggestion though, but if we can ***** our way into getting MS back on track, I'll prefer doing it that way.

Railman said:

Yes and out of those three choices, Linux is the only one I would consider. It just so happens, I am considering Linux. The problem with that though is I now have to learn a whole new environment, and non of my most used applications work outside of Windows. So all in all changing to spite change will be a greater hassle. Thanks for the suggestion though, but if we can ***** our way into getting MS back on track, I'll prefer doing it that way.

You could do what I did and have dual booting on a PC. It was quite a revelation seeing the contrast between Windows XP and Debian. I aways knew that Windows was bloated and slow but seeing the difference on the PC has convinced me that Linux will be on my next PC. Dual booting gives you access to your legacy software whilst you master the alternatives.

Skidmarksdeluxe Skidmarksdeluxe said:

There are alternatives to MS. Apple, Linux and Chrome off the top of my head. Linux would be my first choice as it is not locked down.

Ok here's the thing. I do use Win 8.1 and I'm not as down on it as a lot of people are but I doubt very much whether we'll ever see a OS like Win 7 ever again. Over time people adapt to new OS's then they'll say "it's not so bad". It's human nature to fight change but change is inevitable.

Apple & iOS are not an option for me, I'd rather go back to using an abacus for computing, a Wells Fargo stagecoach for mail and a Nokia 5110 for a cellphone. Thank God for other alternatives.

Railman said:

Thanks to my better half we now have an Apple Mac. I personally would not have chosen to buy one but it was her choice. Of course muggins here has had the job of transferring data and email settings to the Mac and despite my reservations I am impressed with it. I did not realise that the OS is built upon Unix which does seem to be pretty quick compared to Windows.

Time will tell if I remain impressed but I can see why the Apple Mac is desirable to many. It does look pretty cool compared to a standard PC.

drjekel_mrhyde drjekel_mrhyde said:

If you have dual monitors you'll love W8.1.

cliffordcooley cliffordcooley, TechSpot Paladin, said:

If you have dual monitors you'll love W8.1.
No I won't!

drjekel_mrhyde drjekel_mrhyde said:

If you have dual monitors you'll love W8.1.
No I won't!

Pretty sure you won't since you already have your opinion on it. 75% of the time my second monitor was not used, but with 8.1 I have news, weather, Reddit, messages, ebay, and email being pushed to it while doing most of my surfing on the main monitor.

cliffordcooley cliffordcooley, TechSpot Paladin, said:

Pretty sure you won't since you already have your opinion on it. 75% of the time my second monitor was not used, but with 8.1 I have news, weather, Reddit, messages, ebay, and email being pushed to it while doing most of my surfing on the main monitor.
Which is nothing you can not do in Windows 7.

pmcardle said:

I'm amazed by all of the comments that W8/8.1 is for touch devices only and doesn't work well for desktops. Obviously these same people must have never used W8/8.1 on a desktop or only used it for a very short period of time. I've been using it exclusively since it first came out in beta, upgraded for $40, then just updated again to 8.1. All on a desktop with a 30" Dell Ultra "non-touch" monitor. My PC runs exactly like it did under W7 except more efficiently and with the added benefits of some very cool free apps that I occasionally use.

I'm now waiting for the Surface Pro 2, 256 GB to be released on Dec-15 so I can have a real PC table and give the over-priced iPad 3 toy to my wife (her iPad 1 died). IMO, MS has pulled off something that no other OS/PC vendor has done. They created a truly multi-platform OS. It has had some growing pains but again it was a totally new OS and will only get better with age. I feel very fortunate because I'm happy with MS and their new OS. I do understand that some will resist no matter what and get so frustrated that they would even punch something, and for that I feel sorry for them...NOT! LMFAO

Scavengers Scavengers said:

I'm amazed by all of the comments that W8/8.1 is for touch devices only and doesn't work well for desktops. Obviously these same people must have never used W8/8.1 on a desktop or only used it for a very short period of time. I've been using it exclusively since it first came out in beta, upgraded for $40, then just updated again to 8.1. All on a desktop with a 30" Dell Ultra "non-touch" monitor. My PC runs exactly like it did under W7 except more efficiently and with the added benefits of some very cool free apps that I occasionally use.

I'm now waiting for the Surface Pro 2, 256 GB to be released on Dec-15 so I can have a real PC table and give the over-priced iPad 3 toy to my wife (her iPad 1 died). IMO, MS has pulled off something that no other OS/PC vendor has done. They created a truly multi-platform OS. It has had some growing pains but again it was a totally new OS and will only get better with age. I feel very fortunate because I'm happy with MS and their new OS. I do understand that some will resist no matter what and get so frustrated that they would even punch something, and for that I feel sorry for them...NOT! LMFAO

NO! NO! NO! Its only a tablet OS on a desktop. :p

Dave

Railman said:

I'm amazed by all of the comments that W8/8.1 is for touch devices only and doesn't work well for desktops. Obviously these same people must have never used W8/8.1 on a desktop or only used it for a very short period of time. I've been using it exclusively since it first came out in beta, upgraded for $40, then just updated again to 8.1. All on a desktop with a 30" Dell Ultra "non-touch" monitor. My PC runs exactly like it did under W7 except more efficiently and with the added benefits of some very cool free apps that I occasionally use.

I'm now waiting for the Surface Pro 2, 256 GB to be released on Dec-15 so I can have a real PC table and give the over-priced iPad 3 toy to my wife (her iPad 1 died). IMO, MS has pulled off something that no other OS/PC vendor has done. They created a truly multi-platform OS. It has had some growing pains but again it was a totally new OS and will only get better with age. I feel very fortunate because I'm happy with MS and their new OS. I do understand that some will resist no matter what and get so frustrated that they would even punch something, and for that I feel sorry for them...NOT! LMFAO

I have only just migrated from XP to 7 a year ago and I found W7 not to be as configurable as XP. W8 is acknowledged to be less configurable than W7 by many IT professionals. Your view of W8 seems to be very much in the minority.

You might accuse me of not liking change but I did take the plunge and installed Linux which is a radical departure from Windows. I frankly do not see any substantial reason to spend any of my hard earned money on W8.

drjekel_mrhyde drjekel_mrhyde said:

Pretty sure you won't since you already have your opinion on it. 75% of the time my second monitor was not used, but with 8.1 I have news, weather, Reddit, messages, ebay, and email being pushed to it while doing most of my surfing on the main monitor.
Which is nothing you can not do in Windows 7.

by opening a browser tab

cliffordcooley cliffordcooley, TechSpot Paladin, said:

by opening a browser tab

WOW, that makes all the difference in the world! :rollseyes:

drjekel_mrhyde drjekel_mrhyde said:

WOW, that makes all the difference in the world! :rollseyes:

I had duals with 7, duals with XP(the farking pits). W8 is just better, sorry if you can't/won't see that. http://imgur.com/A1qFAxK

Guest said:

I never considered 'upgrading' to Windows 8 from my 'perfect' windows 7. I was forced to use windows 8 on work because we all got that OS with new computers. It took me quite some time to get used to new start menu. Damn, it was awful. So many useless tiles/icons that I never asked for, and every time I install new program my start menu gets tons of new useless icons that I never wanted there. Windows 8.1 fixed that, and once I sorted icons and tiles I need, I found new start menu to be quite nice. I bought new desktop computer recently and installed 8.1. I don't regret it. It super fast and just love my 5 second boot time (SSD). I was amazed. Windows 8.1 has it's flaws but some pros over windows 7 makes it worth it.

pmcardle said:

I'm amazed by all of the comments that W8/8.1 is for touch devices only and doesn't work well for desktops. Obviously these same people must have never used W8/8.1 on a desktop or only used it for a very short period of time. I've been using it exclusively since it first came out in beta, upgraded for $40, then just updated again to 8.1. All on a desktop with a 30" Dell Ultra "non-touch" monitor. My PC runs exactly like it did under W7 except more efficiently and with the added benefits of some very cool free apps that I occasionally use.

I'm now waiting for the Surface Pro 2, 256 GB to be released on Dec-15 so I can have a real PC table and give the over-priced iPad 3 toy to my wife (her iPad 1 died). IMO, MS has pulled off something that no other OS/PC vendor has done. They created a truly multi-platform OS. It has had some growing pains but again it was a totally new OS and will only get better with age. I feel very fortunate because I'm happy with MS and their new OS. I do understand that some will resist no matter what and get so frustrated that they would even punch something, and for that I feel sorry for them...NOT! LMFAO

I have only just migrated from XP to 7 a year ago and I found W7 not to be as configurable as XP. W8 is acknowledged to be less configurable than W7 by many IT professionals. Your view of W8 seems to be very much in the minority.

You might accuse me of not liking change but I did take the plunge and installed Linux which is a radical departure from Windows. I frankly do not see any substantial reason to spend any of my hard earned money on W8.

First off, anyone who upgraded from XP to W7 within the last year should not be allowed to comment on W8 for at least another 5 years. Also, 80% (or more) of postings are from people who want to complain. It's called human nature. I would bet that I'm not the minority you may think! I'm just one of the 20% of posters who thinks positive and will take the time to give good feedback when it's deserved.

Railman said:

First off, anyone who upgraded from XP to W7 within the last year should not be allowed to comment on W8 for at least another 5 years. Also, 80% (or more) of postings are from people who want to complain. It's called human nature. I would bet that I'm not the minority you may think! I'm just one of the 20% of posters who thinks positive and will take the time to give good feedback when it's deserved.

Taking your argument to its logical conclusion you should not be permitted to post about W8 for the next 4 years

Anyway what is bad about negative feedback when it is aimed at MS? They are the market leader but have failed big time in considering their customers.

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