I absolutely love it. It is soo much faster than just about any web browser I've used, even Firefox 3 RC2 & IE7. It move's so fast, even on my Pentium 3 System (My Pentium 2 Mobo decided to finally R.I.P. :P).

Anyone else a fan? :p

I've tried it, and I love the speed, but not the blurry text and lack of being able to right click and hit properties to find where a picture's location is >.< .

Wow!

That was a quick reply cfitzarl. Yeah, I'm still getting used to that. But at least most of the time when I embed images, they're my own so I know the filename.

It might be fast but it takes up alot of memory(ram) so ive heard. correct me plz if im wrong. so i never fooled with it. And yes apple has some catching up to do with their web browser.

:p I'm used to threads getting replies every few seconds (from another site I'm a member of).

But in all fairness, I also realize that Safari is still in beta, and not all of the features have been added for fixed. I will wait until I see a stable release candidate for download, then try it again and see how it performs and acts :) .

It might be fast but it takes up alot of memory(ram) so ive heard. correct me plz if im wrong. so i never fooled with it. And yes apple has some catching up to do with their web browser.

It takes up no more memory in your RAM than Firefox does (which usually takes up at least 50mb to 200mb for me)...I'm a big fan of keeping at least 5 tabs open at the same time :p .

Yeah, there are some bugs.

I've noticed the system specs object doesn't work in Safari. :haha:

And yes, larryiam, it does take up about 128MB of RAM on my PC. >_<

yes i agree cfitzarl. i will test it out then. now my heart belongs to firefox. lol

But in all fairness, I also realize that Safari is still in beta, and not all of the features have been added for fixed. I will wait until I see a stable release candidate for download, then try it again and see how it performs and acts :) .

:confused: I didn't know it was still in beta!?

And yes, larryiam, it does take up about 128MB of RAM on my PC. >_<
Although it is a good browser and speedy to be in the beta stages!

Well true it not in official "beta" but its still in the works i think. But options are like a**holes everyone has one. lol

Well true it not in official "beta" but its still in the works i think. But options are like a**holes everyone has one. lol
You mean opinions? :p

And maybe it's in a type of beta that everything on google is. You know, how everything on google is in beta, or has been in beta forever but still works as if it isn't. Especially stuff like google earth.

Yea man can't spell :o :approve: Well safari is officially not a beta.....i think it will need alot of work(beta to me for a while) haha like google :p

Complete Safari vs. Firefox 3 1.0.1!

Who will win? :D

Safari is being built based on Webkit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webkit), which is based on Konqueor from linux, but not its being worked on by Apple, Google, Nokia and probably some others.

I'm not entirely sure Safari 2 (is that even the one on Windows, or are you guys on Safari 3) is based on Webkit, it probably is but I can't say for sure. In any case, I have noticed in OS X how much faster Webkit is than anything else I have used. I just don't like how it handles tabs/new windows, but firefox is just as bad. Opera is the only truely great tabbed browser I've used (I'm sure its just what you get used to, but without extensions and configuration Opera will not open a link in a new window unless you specifically tell it to, always a tab). Now I've lost where I was going... but I guess to wrap it up, Safari is making great progress, make things always open in tabs, and make it block ads better (or at least allow a user to manually do that) and I'll be happy.

My perspective
Firefox because it has the ability to have themes, add ons, and less pop ups, and is more secure.
safari only has speed and load times.

And your perspective...............hope i spelled that right! :p

Safari is being built based on Webkit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webkit), which is based on Konqueor from linux, but not its being worked on by Apple, Google, Nokia and probably some others.

I'm not entirely sure Safari 2 (is that even the one on Windows, or are you guys on Safari 3) is based on Webkit, it probably is but I can't say for sure. In any case, I have noticed in OS X how much faster Webkit is than anything else I have used. I just don't like how it handles tabs/new windows, but firefox is just as bad. Opera is the only truely great tabbed browser I've used (I'm sure its just what you get used to, but without extensions and configuration Opera will not open a link in a new window unless you specifically tell it to, always a tab). Now I've lost where I was going... but I guess to wrap it up, Safari is making great progress, make things always open in tabs, and make it block ads better (or at least allow a user to manually do that) and I'll be happy.

SNGX1275 that is very well put!

Safari is being built based on Webkit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webkit), which is based on Konqueor from linux, but not its being worked on by Apple, Google, Nokia and probably some others.

I'm not entirely sure Safari 2 (is that even the one on Windows, or are you guys on Safari 3) is based on Webkit, it probably is but I can't say for sure. In any case, I have noticed in OS X how much faster Webkit is than anything else I have used. I just don't like how it handles tabs/new windows, but firefox is just as bad. Opera is the only truely great tabbed browser I've used (I'm sure its just what you get used to, but without extensions and configuration Opera will not open a link in a new window unless you specifically tell it to, always a tab). Now I've lost where I was going... but I guess to wrap it up, Safari is making great progress, make things always open in tabs, and make it block ads better (or at least allow a user to manually do that) and I'll be happy.

This is actually kind of Coincidence because I wanted to try out Safari because Firefox and Opera didn't seem like they were using my IC to it's full potential. Turns out, they weren't!:) The tab thing doesn't bother me, as I use IE5 at school so I'm used to the spamming of windows instead of tabs. :P

Although, I do have to agree Opera is the most secure browser...ever...I have never got a single tracking cookie while using Opera, (a few with Firefox, a lot with IE).

i have heard that if opera keeps going its going to be a great browser. I have never tried it yet though. But i will!

You should, it's great for checking out sites you don't trust!

Once Opera 9.5 goes live (you can get its beta now) it will be fantastic. The ability to easily, effortlessly, have access to your bookmarks, no matter what system you are on is brilliant. I've been using the 9.5alpha and betas for a while now and they are fantastic. I can't honestly say they have been trouble free, I have had sites not load properly, and I have often had sites with embedded flash video not actually play the flash vid, so it is by no means perfect, but that is to be expected, its alpha and beta software and if you can't live with that don't use it.

But back on subject. Safari is definately on the right track to become an excellent browser. For those of you that hated Opera because it wasn't open source you now have a new competitor that is open source, and it has Apple behind it, and Apple's direct intention is to place it into their OS, so there is no screwing around. Safari/Webkit is the real deal, and if you don't think they are a competitor to FF/Opera/IE you are kidding yourself.

Correction. Opera 9.5 final is now out :)
http://www.techspot.com/vb/topic106520.html

Then Firefox 3 final next week. This is by far my pick against all other browsers - got to love my extensions.

Safari 3 is a great improvement over its own past iterations, however it's too stubborn when you want to do something your way IMO.

Ditched Safari because it hates plugins and wont play Windows Media, MP3, MP4, or any Quicktime file! :( But now that FF3 is out I am much happier. Runs almost as fast as safari, BUT all of my plugins work. :)

bah, should have used Opera then :)

And I'm sure Safari is supposed to be able to deal with those, they are extremely common on webpages, surely Apple wouldn't release their browser on the Windows platform crippled that badly.

I dunno...my friend's mac can play windows media and quicktime files...I suspect a cross-platform conspiract...:suspiciou

IMO FF3 is safer and just as fast now.

For SAFER, I use opera. It makes me wish there was a right-click action you could do like "Open Link in Opera" or something...hmm, I wonder if they have that add-on?

Well this debate could go on forever. But FF is my web browser IMO. :p

IMO FF3 is safer and just as fast now.
1. Firefox exploits are fairly common, they just also happen to get patched really quickly.

2. Just as fast now? Because they just came out with FF3 and its faster than 2. But I would venture Webkit/Safari are just as fast or still faster. Then you have Opera 9.5 that just released last week (week before FF3) and it was already really fast on Windows (maybe safari was faster, but I don't believe FF2 was). So Opera 9.5 also saw large speed improvements.

3. Have you even used Opera before? If so when, how long, and what version?

Opera 9.5 and Firefox 3.0 beat the pants off Safari, which I think really needs a lot more work... to come close... even Internet Explorer beats if for full service operations.

With a little tweaking, I have gotten FF3 to run faster than Opera 9.5. Insane load speed with FF now!

Load speeds are one thing, browsing speed is another. I have a browser opened 99% of the time my PC is running, so initial load speeds are pretty much meaningless to me.

If you really think FF3 is a better browser for you, then I can't argue with that. I can argue Opera 9.5 is really fast (browser speed comparison searching on google is useless I've found). To me, Opera is superior, tabs behave like they should (tabs on FF is almost a crapshoot on how they behave), you have the 'wand' to remember your logins/passwords, near immunity to malware, mouse gestures, mail, irc chat, and others all built in. All in a smaller install footprint than firefox.

lol I don't get it either SNGX, but for some reason I am not a person for easiness on the pc, I find myself wasting my time, going into the menu instead of clicking on the toolbar etc. I use Opera and Firefox at the same time sometimes. Since I know FF3 still has kinks to be worked out I open "mysterious pages" in opera, I do use it as my IRC Client, and manage me and my friends (Super Mod) video game forum from it. (Not PHP Based mind you.)

Actually I didn't compare browser speed on google, I timed it 5 times for each browser after clearing the cache each time at 1up.com (Since it has an insane amount of page elements.) I guess as a still almost Faithful firefox user, you can compare me to someone who wouldn't move onto XP from 2000 professional. And I guess I'm not affected by tabs really, as I am most used to sliding my mouse into the top-left corner and going into the menu. Personal Preference I believe it's called. You have Opera, I have FF3 and a little bit of Opera.

Well SNGX i will have to agree there Opera is a very fast browser. I have Opera 9.5 and Firefox 3. FF2 wasn't that fast at all. But i like FF3(my opinion) and (your opinion) you like Opera. And i really agree with Obi-Wan! :)

IMO FF3 is safer and just as fast now.
1. Firefox exploits are fairly common, they just also happen to get patched really quickly.
Hope for you guy's sake the 2nd part of my comment is correct, because: Firefox 3 Vulnerabilities Could Affect Over 14 Million Computers - Security Flaws Discovered in Firefox 3.0 (http://news.softpedia.com/news/Firefox-3-Vulnerabilities-Could-Affect-Over-8-Millions-Computers-88478.shtml)

SNGX, I go to links I do not trust in Opera. Opera is my so called "Lab" for websites I have not tested out. I copy the link into Opera, and test out the site to see if any suspicious tracking cookies were added. I am completely aware of that vulnerability and commit to safe browsing in firefox and leaving the unsafe browsing to Opera. I admit that Opera is thousands of times more secure than FF3.

I tried it when my firefox got screwed up by some virus and loved the speed. But out of familiarity I still use firefox.

I made a vid comparing the speed of firefox 3.0.1 and Opera 9.51 in windows and linux. Check em out.

Linux: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhgXh-1qKL0 (You'll be suprised at this one)
XP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7HLm-8rlGw

Is that linux one repeatable on other sites? I almost exclusively use Opera on any OS and I've never noticed anything abnormally slow with it in Linux.

The same thing happened on 3 different rigs. My AMD Athlon 900MHz with SuSE 11, my current one on Ubuntu, and my Dell Dimension E510 with Fedora 9. And yes, I have tried them ALL at 3 different houses with different ISP's. AT&T DSL, Verizon (My House), and Time Warner. I swear to God I didn't post it without being thurough.

I used 1up.com for the Linux one because it has a nice mix of Flash objects, images, text, and javascript.

The newest version of Safari I downloaded the other day is 3.1.2 (525.21). Much more polished than the Beta version I tried a month or so ago. Faster than Firefox 3 in my opinion. This post is written on Safari - text does not seem blurred to me.