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Old 05-09-2008
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Both (heatsink+ventilator) will take 3 PCI slots! But why not

If I have enough times, I will change my heatsink by a ventilator and I'll make photographs!

Ciao.
Ah yes, I didn't think of that. a 3 slot PCI card would be quite something

Whatever you decide , make sure it's reversible so you can restore the card to original condition when you sell it on ebay to buy the new Sparkle 9800GT PCI (See picture)



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Rrrrro!! 9800 GT PCI!!!..... Where is the "3 PCIs" slot on the picture ?

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Rrrrro!! 9800 GT PCI!!!..... Where is the "3 PCIs" slot on the picture ?

That contraption is supposed to take up 3 PCI slots, like the 8500 GT is a space hog.
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graphics card or something else?

Hello people! I must say that I've looked everywhere for answers and this forum seems the most suitable to give me them .
Well, my problem is that my laptop switches off but only while playing a game, this game is not even a newest game or anything, is Pokémon yellow with its visual boy advance for pc. Because this happens I assume it's got to do with my graphics card. my laptop is an acer 3000 and my card is the SiS type (SiS M760GX). I just upgraded all my drivers from the acer website, but my computer keeps switching off when I play the game. So my question is, can I change the graphics card of the laptop, or download some drivers or whatever to be able to play the game? or does it switch off because of something to do with lack of ventilation or sth lke that?

Thank you for your time and answers.

Sandra.
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Hello people! I must say that I've looked everywhere for answers and this forum seems the most suitable to give me them .
Well, my problem is that my laptop switches off but only while playing a game, this game is not even a newest game or anything, is Pokémon yellow with its visual boy advance for pc. Because this happens I assume it's got to do with my graphics card. my laptop is an acer 3000 and my card is the SiS type (SiS M760GX). I just upgraded all my drivers from the acer website, but my computer keeps switching off when I play the game. So my question is, can I change the graphics card of the laptop, or download some drivers or whatever to be able to play the game? or does it switch off because of something to do with lack of ventilation or sth lke that?

Thank you for your time and answers.

Sandra.
Hey Neveth, I think your question would be better asked over in the Mobile section of the forum. I am sure you can most likely get a response with the precise answer you need. This thread is more geared towards the PCI bus video card.
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oh! sorry I didn't realize... XD
allright, thanks a lot.
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is that really a pci card jives11 ?

Did anyone have the 6200 pci card and get artefacts with some 2d applications like some games and in pictures sometimes if the card got dust on it.
Is there a fan needed for the card or is there not enough power for the gpu.

Is that really a driver problem or just a 64bit power transfer to the mobo.

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Whats really strange is with these 2 game demos no problem with Intel 82915G.
But if I use the Pny 6200 256MB pci then I get either artefacts with :

Paperball 1.4


As you can see in the pic it is 2D graphics works excellent with Intel Integrated graphics but not the pci card ?
I could not yet post a link to the picture so you have to look on download.com

Aliens vs Predator 2 demo

This one with the Pny 6200 card had white screen with the card but no problems with Integrated.
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is that really a pci card jives11 ?

Did anyone have the 6200 pci card and get artefacts with some 2d applications like some games and in pictures sometimes if the card got dust on it.
Is there a fan needed for the card or is there not enough power for the gpu.

Is that really a driver problem or just a 64bit power transfer to the mobo.

With our 6200 we got some sky tearing in stalker. If you looked at the sky you got a blurring effect as you panned across with the outline or horizon detail i.e trees repeated across the screen. They used to use this effect on the Top of the Pops on the BBC in the 1970's. In the end it was a driver issue and it vanished when I upgraded my nVidia driver (or went back to a much earlier driver). Which nVidia driver are you using ? I'd be inclined to think it's a driver issue if it just shows up in certain games
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the new Sparkle 9800GT PCI
Shucks, you could have fooled most people if your "proof" wasn't a picture of a RC car.

Edit: reminded me of this, lol.

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Shucks, you could have fooled most people if your "proof" wasn't a picture of a RC car.
yes - a moment of madness. That picture was from google images - my search was 'massive heatsink' which seemed appropriate for the Sparkle 8500GT successor. However my point is that it's worth assuming that one day you might sell a 8500 for the next great card. My 6200 went for more than I paid for it (both bought & sold on ebay)

teklord - how hot are your disks getting when you clock your GPU at 80 C ?
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yes - a moment of madness. That picture was from google images - my search was 'massive heatsink' which seemed appropriate for the Sparkle 8500GT successor. However my point is that it's worth assuming that one day you might sell a 8500 for the next great card. My 6200 went for more than I paid for it (both bought & sold on ebay)

teklord - how hot are your disks getting when you clock your GPU at 80 C ?
8500 GT could be the last of the great PCI cards and it still pales in comparison to even an AGP card at the same price. PCI is going the way of the dodo as it is many times slower than AGP which is also on the way out and PCI-E. The 8500 GT isn't even sold in America, which demonstrates the interest level in PCI by manufacturers at least. Hope I'm wrong, but I think 8500 GT could be the best PCI card we will see, AGP doesn't have a card in the nVidia 8 series, at least not on Newegg.

As for my hard disk, it is still functional at the GPU temp. It most likely is not as hot as the GPU, but I definitely need more internal cooling, no doubt about it.
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As for my hard disk, it is still functional at the GPU temp. It most likely is not as hot as the GPU, but I definitely need more internal cooling, no doubt about it.
worth checking some real values with speedfan though. You may find it's actually fine and the high temperature is localised around the GPU. Failing hard drives is a gradual thing, with the first indicators probably only being detectable using the manufacturers diagnostic disks (or download the UBCD ISO) or through the disks S.M.A.R.T data. Eventually the problems start to show up as errors in the Windows system event log, but that can take a while and may be too late to take an evasive measures.

My final word on speedfan is that it's the only startup program in my task tray, which is as high praise as I can give.
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worth checking some real values with speedfan though. You may find it's actually fine and the high temperature is localised around the GPU. Failing hard drives is a gradual thing, with the first indicators probably only being detectable using the manufacturers diagnostic disks (or download the UBCD ISO) or through the disks S.M.A.R.T data. Eventually the problems start to show up as errors in the Windows system event log, but that can take a while and may be too late to take an evasive measures.

My final word on speedfan is that it's the only startup program in my task tray, which is as high praise as I can give.
Sage advice jives11, definitely worth a look, no doubt about it. As long as I ease off OC'ing my GPU, I think I am ok in the temperature department, but it is hard not to when playing some of the newer games like HL2 & UT 2004 and you want that silky smooth frame rate.
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Well , as the great Scottish Scientist - Lord kelvin said :

"If you can't measure something, you can't improve it"

His death in 1907 was a tragic loss to PC overclocking
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Old 05-12-2008
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Just tested out doom 3 on my computer with my 2400 card, damn lol. This game is powerful and seems to be using the same engine from quake 4, just slighly less CPu power. I'm getting like 3-4 fps at most haha.

Oh well, bout to install UT3 demo. I will let you guys know how it runs
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OK well with teklords OC settings I got 5150 in 3dmark03. I used powerstrip to oc the card. I decided to push out to Core 565 memory 500 and this gave me a score of 5380. 5 minutes of ATitool avaeraged 155 FPS. With 3dmark03 There were some minor artefacts in the ragtroll sequence . VGA core temperature peaked at 59 degrees C according to the speedfan graph





this PC has a 400Watt supply and an extra double fan next to the card (see link in signature)

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Old 05-13-2008
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Question about overclocking. Also i am using aty tray tools.

Using a Visiontek 2400 HD PRO, here are the settings:


How much should i overclocked and when my temp rise or should i just rise it up a bit?

Also, what are so good safe CPU overclocking tools?
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Old 05-13-2008
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I'm not an expert. There are a number of tools you can use.

Rivatuner and powerstrip seem to both be well regarded. powerstrip is very easy to use, though you have to pay for. Rivatuner is more complex, but maybe you can do more with it. According to this link, the latest version lets you oc core, memory AND shader separately.

I think most people increment core by 10% values until they start to hit problems, then ease back by 10%, then repeat the same for memory.

This thread implies that the 8500GT chipset is ripe for OC'ing and I have seen referrence to people running them with 750 core and 1000 memory ! However these are the PCI-E variant, and also probably has a dedicated power connector. I don't know what the naximum current that can be delivered through PCI is

This thread is rather interesting:

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/24...locking-8500gt
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I got a link to my PC it has something in the pci express x1 slot. Wonder what that is ?
That looks like my one and I got a camera, when I get my PNY 6200 card back. I will post to show you is there maybe a way to use a fan on the gpu heat sink ?

http://www.pcworld.com/product/revie...sion_e310.html

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