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  #141  
Old 11-03-2006
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Originally Posted by PSO Gamer
The only two cards I saw there was Nvidia geforce fx 5200 256Mb, and diamond stealth 2120 radeon 9550. After i cash my paycheck today I'm just going to get one of the two. They're roughly the same price. Which one is better though? The games I play now on my PC does work with my intel extreme graphics 2 card that is built into my Dell, but it jumps around. So I think any video card should be enough to play it properly at normal settings... so which one should I choose?
The Radeon 9550 beats easily the FX5200
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  #142  
Old 11-03-2006
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You know what's funny? I JUST bought the one you didn't say. -.-

I was waiting for a reply but I never got one. Oh well im stuck with this one now I think. Since I broke the seal.

Well I did buy it like an hr agao and didnt open the inside packaging... i guess I'll attempt to do a exchange.

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Old 11-03-2006
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I hope you can exchange it. The FX5200 is real slow card
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  #144  
Old 11-03-2006
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I truly only like the Dell XPS series. Your computer is not what I would call anything near a gaming computer, but from what you have said, it suits your purpose and that is what matters! The drawback from yours is the processor; the Intel Celeron D (I've owned one, and it was decent for a lot of office work), which is basically a Pentium IV with a slower FSB (Fron Side Bus), and less L2 (Level 2) Cache. Yours should be fine for most games.
Well, I like the XPS series, too, but... $_$. 3 years ago, I would call mine a gaming computer ^_^! Thank you for your extra information, even though I understand only a bit (at least, now I know what Intel Celeron D is).

To PSO Gamer: You really are an impatient person just like you said .
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Old 11-06-2006
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So if I decide to put a completely new mother board for my Dell Dimension 3000, what are good choices for it?(obviously one that allows me to use video cards other than PCI...)

Also, I'm thinking of getting a new CPU for the PC as well. What's the best one I can put into this computer.

Thanks for helping everyone past, present, and future.

I'm a bit impatient you see... so I really dont want to have to go and buy a new PC... I can just get better parts one by one, little by little until I have it the way I want it. I guess I would need to know of a different power supply as well to keep up with all this stuff. I don't think my current is alot, sadly... =/
Sorry this post is late, I haven't visited in a while. WHATEVER YOU DO, DON'T BUY A NEW MOBO FOR YOUR DELL THAT IS NOT AN EXACT REPLACEMENT!! A new mobo will not work unless it has the same chipsets as the previous mobo. My dad made that mistake and it cost him $$$ to make it work in his system. If you already bought one and can't return it, you have 2 options. You can either build a new system with it, or you can try to make it work with your old computer. To do so however, you will need a retail copy of Windows to perform a repair install, and you probably don't have one since you have a stock computer. The reason you need to do a repair install is that the drivers for your old mobo will conflict with the new mobo and you need to erase them with a fresh install of the operating system. If you don't have a retail CD you can try to reinstall Windows from the I386 folder on your computer. However, it would be wise to back up your data if you try to save your computer. Hope I posted in time!
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Old 11-07-2006
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hey all,
Sorry I'm kinda new to computers. I just installed the x1300pci. Before the install i had the new intel express video. Using the 3dmark2001 i scored 5200, after the install i only got 5370.
any help will be cool
I have a dell 3100 p4 521 at 2.80ghz 1g ram. I only have a 230w ps could that be the problem. again thanks for any help

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  #147  
Old 11-07-2006
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Sorry this post is late, I haven't visited in a while. WHATEVER YOU DO, DON'T BUY A NEW MOBO FOR YOUR DELL THAT IS NOT AN EXACT REPLACEMENT!! A new mobo will not work unless it has the same chipsets as the previous mobo. My dad made that mistake and it cost him $$$ to make it work in his system. If you already bought one and can't return it, you have 2 options. You can either build a new system with it, or you can try to make it work with your old computer. To do so however, you will need a retail copy of Windows to perform a repair install, and you probably don't have one since you have a stock computer. The reason you need to do a repair install is that the drivers for your old mobo will conflict with the new mobo and you need to erase them with a fresh install of the operating system. If you don't have a retail CD you can try to reinstall Windows from the I386 folder on your computer. However, it would be wise to back up your data if you try to save your computer. Hope I posted in time!
Funny, I replaced my dell motherboard and it worked ok with the dell copy of xp. No, I didn't use the same chipset, the chipset was the reason I changed(intel 845gl didn't support agp) to a intel 865 based board. I uninstalled devices in dev manager that would be different after the swap before I switched boards though, then I repair installed xp with my dell disc. Maybe newer dell discs cant do this anymore...
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Old 11-07-2006
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I should have specified that my dad has an HP. HP's don't come with a Windows CD. They only give you a recovery disk and even then you have to burn it yourself off of the hard drive. Anyway, as long as you have a CD to do a repair install of Windows and you uninstall ALL of the drivers that will be different after the mobo swap, you should be fine. However, I don't recommend that noobs try it.

To the guy above, I recommend getting a new power supply. Visiontek's X1300 requires a 250W psu and Diamond's X1300 needs a 300W psu. Either way, you're still short on watts and psus don't cost very much. You also might be having issues if you didn't uninstall the drivers for the onboard video. To do so, go to your Control Panel, click Performance and Maintenance, then System. Go to the Hardware tab, and click Device Manager. There should be a Display Adapters category with a + next to it. Click it and there should be an X1300 and an Intel Express Video adapter in it. Right click Intel Express Video and select remove or uninstall. You also might want to uninstall the X1300 drivers too. Then reboot your computer and reinstall the X1300 drivers. Good luck!
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Old 11-07-2006
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hey all,
Sorry I'm kinda new to computers. I just installed the x1300pci. Before the install i had the new intel express video. Using the 3dmark2001 i scored 5200, after the install i only got 5370.
any help will be cool
I have a dell p4 521 at 2.88ghz 1g ram. I only have a 230w ps could that be the problem. again thanks for any help
And what was your original video card? Some integrated cards almost match those of lower-middle end versions, like my integrated is a GeForce 6150 and resembles the 6200 somewhat.
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Old 11-07-2006
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Originally Posted by Wagan8r
Sorry this post is late, I haven't visited in a while. WHATEVER YOU DO, DON'T BUY A NEW MOBO FOR YOUR DELL THAT IS NOT AN EXACT REPLACEMENT!! A new mobo will not work unless it has the same chipsets as the previous mobo. My dad made that mistake and it cost him $$$ to make it work in his system. If you already bought one and can't return it, you have 2 options. You can either build a new system with it, or you can try to make it work with your old computer. To do so however, you will need a retail copy of Windows to perform a repair install, and you probably don't have one since you have a stock computer. The reason you need to do a repair install is that the drivers for your old mobo will conflict with the new mobo and you need to erase them with a fresh install of the operating system. If you don't have a retail CD you can try to reinstall Windows from the I386 folder on your computer. However, it would be wise to back up your data if you try to save your computer. Hope I posted in time!
Nope I didn't get a new mobo, so no worries.

However, I recently purchased a diamond stealth 2120 radeon 9550 video card and a 3.0 GHz Pentium 4 HT Socket 478 processor(arriving soon). I'll upgrade my RAM from 512Mb to 1GB in the future, but for now I think I'm set to go for the things I want to do with it.
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Old 11-16-2006
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my bro has a dell demension 4400 he plays wow in my grandmas basement using a 128 mb ati radeon 9200 4x AGP, run's great.bought at yard sale for $20. i just bought a nice biostar p4m80 motherboard for my case which i am using right now has 160 gb sata hdd, ddr2 1gb of ram. i just bought a new 480 watt psu, the one i am using right now is a 230 watt psu i pulled from an amd based computer (dose not support p4) so i wired it up so it does. the downside is that i cannot play WoW with normal fps it's like 16fps ;lol because i have no video card all i have is Integrated s3 unichrome. w/agp 8x . what kind of video card should i buy?
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  #152  
Old 11-17-2006
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That depends on your budget. If your looking to spend around $60, then I'd go with a Radeon 9800PRO found here:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102369

In the $100 price range I'd go with a GeForce 7300gt. This one has a rebate for $30 right now, dropping it to $90:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814150198

If you can spend $150, go with a Radeon X850XT:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102526

Let me know if this helps or if you have any other questions!
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  #153  
Old 11-24-2006
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Hey everybody,
I decided to post here because the thread is about pci cards. I have a dell 2400 and i have install a geforce fx 5200. Dont bash me ok the card sucks. I'm just trying to gain a little experience before I try to build my own gaming rig. So here is my problem: i installed the card installed drivers. The card is still not working properly. Whats happing is when i boot up an image is displayed from the graphics card. When i get to the login screen i get an image from the integrated graphics chip. I tried uninstalling the extreme drivers, disable in bios. The bios only gave me the choice of on board and auto. When set to on board it displays the whole booting up thing. When set to auto the computer does what i have describe. Thanks for any help been messing with it for a couple of days after work.
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Old 11-25-2006
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Dont uninstall, disable.
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  #155  
Old 12-01-2006
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Ok, so I have a question for all of you pci gamers out there. Are you able to run the Nvidia demo "Dawn" with decent frame rates? My first video card was an MX 4000 and Dawn was very choppy. Then I upgraded to an FX 5500. Still no improvement. Now I have a 6200, and it still runs exactly the same as with the MX 4000. Is it just because of the pci interface or a driver problem? Any help would be great!
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  #156  
Old 12-01-2006
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hi
i got the same pci "problem", i got a pavilion w5220la , p4 prescott 2,93ghz, 2 gb ddr2 ram, 3 pci slots(1 is using the network card), and an intel 82915G/910GL integrated video.
Using the 3dmark2001 i scored 5161.
I want to know if there will be a improvement if i buy an ati radeon x1300 pci 256 or a geforce 6200 256 pci, i read some reviews about the radeon x1300 saying that its not so good, they run nfs most wanted with 800 x600 and low resolution with the x1300, i got that game, and i can play it without problem at 1280 x 1024 with low resolution, that means the integrated intel is better than the radeon x1300??? Maybe is just for that game, or maybe the geforce is better than the radeon??? is so much difference between visontek and diamond, wich one is better?
I also want to know if using 2 pci slots (graphic and network) will lag the video card (i read somewhere that pci speed is shared or something like that), is something i can do about it?
Thanks a lot
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  #157  
Old 12-08-2006
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Guys i have few questions. But before that here is my system:

Pentium 933 MHZ FSB: 133.
Mobo: i810e
Ram: PC 100 128 MB.
Video card: Integrated
Sound card: ALS 4000.
Hard disk: 10 GB 5400 RPM.
Operating system: Windows98SE


Now if you are still reading this; then here are my questions:

1. What is the situation between Performance between Windows 98SE and Windows 2000? Or is Windows XP beating both of them only in Gaming department? Considering my system.

2. Should i buy a PCI video card like Geforce or ATI or should save money to upgrade my system?

Thanks in advance for any replies.
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Old 12-09-2006
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frus: The x1300 should be a nice improvement over your current integrated. If nothing else, at least it frees up the 64-128mb of memory you're integrated is "stealing" from your system ram. On my dell, adding a pci 6200(which is somewhat slower than the x1300) was a nice improvement over the integrated intel. I like the diamond best. Pci is shared so your nic will use pci bandwidth. If you really want to get around that you could buy a usb to ethernet adapter, and remove the pci nic.

Myelin: Personally, I doubt it'd be worth getting a x1300 card for your system. It would let it play older games, but you'd be very limited on what newer games you could play with your other hardware specs(cpu, memory, hard drive speed). If you just want to play some older games, it might be worth the upgrade, but if you're wanting to play the newer games, then save up for a new system.
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Old 12-11-2006
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hello im new here and i need some recommendation
my current system is..

processor: 2.8 ghz celeron (window XP home)
ram: 1 gig (ddr sdram)
video: intergrated
sound card: intergrated
harddrive: 120 gig

i want to get a graphics card but i only have a PCI slot..
i've been searching around for some cards and picked out a few

1) bfg geforce 6200 oc @ best buy
2) chaintech geforce fx 5200 @ newegg
and i read a few posts stating that the radeon x1300 is pretty good

im trying to run games such as PSU, doom 3, elder scrolls 4, and other things..

i want to get the geforce 6200 but it seems like a bit pricy for a pci
can you guys recommend me with another option? or is one of these a
good choice? please help =/
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Old 12-11-2006
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The 6200 PCI completely destroys the FX5200. Sure it's pricier, but faster too. The X1300 PCI is the fastest of them all, but is also much more expensive, running upto $130. The 6200 is the best choice since it gives the best balance of power and affordability.
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