Yes, I agree it is overpriced but it isn't quite a $100 dollars which is headed the right way IMO.

The problem with the old "PCI-e setup for the PCI cards' value" argument is that the PCI-e setup is underpowered and not what you really want in a setup. Plus, if you are building from the ground up with no parts like the case or PSU to use, then you have to factor that in as well. If you are using a OEM PC, then you are going to have a beast of a time swapping the mobo because they all have security measures to keep you from doing that. I got around that by swapping for a mobo with the same chipset as the old one but I had to settle for AGP and if got a PCI-e board then I would have hit "Code Purple", plus buy more components which still weren't what I really wanted in my next gen PC. The PCI cards are overpriced, no question about it, but they serve a purpose to the people who didn't know or understand what they were buying and want a stopgap solution that is easy to understand to the technically uninitiated.

As for the General's infamous benchmark's, everyone that reads his posts pretty much agree that the FPS he gets are not what they want to settle for in their gameplay. If I can't average 30 FPS, I can really see the choppiness, so 30+ FPS avg is my personal goal, which I doubt Tha General sees much of. I heartily congratulate him for getting the FPS he does because like others have pointed out, that is absolutely stupendous on his PC setups, especially the claims he made on his old PIII.

Some of the old PIII, particularly IBM Intellistations and Thinkpads, and high end Dell Optiplex and Dimensions, had better performance than their P4... it took nearly two years for P4 to catch up on those with the better boards... it proved that the CPU wasn't as important as people thought.

Every game i have tested so far or have install, i get way above 30, more like 40-50, or 80-200fps. Crysis is the only game i play which plays poorly, to a point at high settings. Also i am using vista, which is way more demanding than xp.

One example on how my performance is great , Quake 4( which old btw ) at the highest quality, at 1280x1024, max settings with AAX8, i get between 30-50fps.

Devil may cry, high to highest at 1280x1024, no aa, 20-40. Should i keep going? You forget i am not using my Pentium III anymore. My new rig is pretty good, will be even better once i buy the 4550 gddr3 card and the 9500gt gddr3 card. But IMO, 20 - 30fps is perfect to me, even tho i get way more.

Your results were always questionable, since I've demonstrated, repeatedly, they were not attainable with the 8500GT PCI and a more powerful processor.

They are still questionable.

But i am not using my pentium III anymore haha
i have a new rig if you didn't know. not the greatest of course, but way better than my p3 and games are working very good. Crysis and a few other ones give me trouble at higher resolutions and settings, but thats only because i am using Vista and pci card. If i was using xp and the same pci cards, i am sure the performance will be better. Thats why i am moving on to pcie cards with this rig, because when i play crysis i want to play at 1280x1024 high settings or very high and still get between 15-25frames

Known fact. And the test system I tested it on eats your current system for lunch.

I can run the same tests on my Core i7 920 at 4Ghz, but I won't bother, since nothing will make you claim anything more reasonable.

That doesn't really matter. Your results are nowhere near this guy's results.

And apparently TS isn't the only place you've been spouting your nonsense. You have quite the reputation as $till LegendaryU2K on lots of other forums like Guru3D and Overclock.net. For those of you who are interested, this post shows how much he has spent on PCI cards so far.

This has to be the most unexpected entry I've found though. Who would've thought?

Post deleted.

You can add techPowerUp! to the list of those places he haunts.

The Urban Dictionary entry is gold !

um i am pretty much everywhere online, been that way since 99. Um my myspace has all my aliases listed. http://myspace.com/untouchable2k

But rage, what is your point, you saying with the rig i have now, that benchmark that i did was fake? 1280x1024 all low, aax2 , 8400gs?
Here is another photo, nothing great, but this is also at 1280x1024 aax2, low to medium to gamer, with my 8400gs using the 175.16 drivers.

http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/...mg/1869418.png

That urban dictionary link is hilarious, lol @ mental disability.

Anyway. I'd say delete the last 20 pages of this thread and lets get back to basics, instead of trying to convince people that 16-24 fps is acceptable, especially when you're sitting still with no real action going on.

Seconded, especially Tha General's "Hey, look, I got another weakling video card for way too much money, I r0xx0r" posts.

I think Tha General's PCI card updates are useful as no one else cares what is happening in the PCI card world and the new releases would completely miss me otherwise. As to his infamous benchmarks which no one believes, that is hard to deal with, especially since there is no way I could get the same results with the same setup.

No offense to Tha General, but that urban dictionary entry was freakin' hilarious. That actually wasn't too far from the truth as he doesn't like my suggestions for a respectable PC setup either. I have been long aware of his other aliases on other forums and they all disdain him just like here. I want to believe that Tha General/$till Legendary is merely a misguided soul, but he should lay low with his undying dedication to PCI cards because it really looks bad. He doesn't really flame anyone, so I don't flame him.

I am under the impression that Yukikaze is the former Direwolf007 if I am not mistaken? You were the one running the benchmarks with the 8500GT on the dual core? Those were good tests, but they might have really hit home if you ran the exact same tests Tha General did on his PIII and posted the results so everyone could see your dual core getting lower results than what he claims on his PIII.

My alias is Teklord on all tech forums, in 1337 or otherwise, FYI. My goal is to make relevant posts and not land in the urban dictionary myself.

I've played through entire games (Dungeon Siege, Call of Duty) on Intel Extreme Graphics w/an Intel Celeron averaging 2 FPS, and Tha General's setups remind me of that.

Yes, that would be me. Well, I have a PIII 1.4Ghz overclocked to 1.55Ghz running an AGP HD2400Pro. I can run the same tests there (To even show a similar platform), but I won't really bother. My existing results with the 3.9Ghz E5200 are sufficient to show he's not making sense. If I tried to run Crysis on "Medium-High" (or anything other than low for that matter) on that card it'd choke and not get anywhere over 16FPS, which is the average on LOW settings, and that isn't playable either.

Everyone read this for my latest benchmark

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showpo...&postcount=451

Still think i am lying? Thats pretty good, even tho at low to medium settings, and putting on AA, doesn't decrease performance either.

go take some screenshots of crysis warhead, where there is actually some action, instead of taking national geographic screenshots.

Ya i am going to do that in few mins.

" national geographic screenshots "

ROFL

Here are 2 more, this time with warhead at 1280x1024 aax2, all mainstream settings, note: physics on gamer, and shadows on low., OC slight on GPU, getting around 15-35fps. More then crysis at high settings. Note 2: Using a 3450 Radeon Config and my 8400gs PCI.


http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...0-50-09-35.png

http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/...0-51-43-51.png

To keep it short ? Yes.

When I benchmarked the 8500GT PCI on my 3.9Ghz E5200 I averaged the gameplay of over 10 minutes of game time. Once you do the same, instead of taking a pic showing a local average which is convenient for you, your results might begin to make sense.

You are NOT running Crysis on your settings with 2xAA at 1280x1024 and getting those results, for the simple reason more powerful systems don't get that kind of FPS. The only reasonable conclusion is that you're sugar-coating your results.

8 months on and its the same crap going on in this thread.