Just keepin' it realistic.

PCIGamer, have some fun and stop whining. Someone could of been closed the thread, but every now and then someone may pop up and say i want to buy a pci card lol, haven't seen anyone do that in a while, but hey nothing wrong with me telling people what new cards has come out and there is nothing wrong for me or anyone else to post benchmarks, despite everyone saying i am lying, which i am not.

Yukikaze:

A single core 2.4ghz computer with a 8400gs or 2400 gets those accurate results in crysis and warhead, i am not editing photos or whatever whatever, but you can believe what you like.

What ever happen to that program that you ran which showed your ave fps at 7 throughout the demo. I know you're posting what you see, but computers done lie(much) with results. Doesnt crysis have a program in which it calculates your average fps over x amount of time?

No it isn't. Never did. Never will.

You're not editing, you're just cherry picking.

I've proven your results to be false, end of story. I'll just keep reminding of that fact from time to time so that people do not get misled by your posts.

Yukikaze

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg-7rEfJnCc

Still think i am lying? i am recording at 1024x768 gamer to mainstream to low settings, using a custom 3450 config card. Look at the fps counter also. Now at 1280x1024 i get around 18-30fps. with aax2 low to medium, at 1024x768 medium to low, aax2 i get around 20-37fps.

Hey teklord someone over at guru3d who also game with pci, just bought a evga 9400gt, so i will see the gpu-z soon. He is replacing his pny 8400gs.

Uhh, i watched the clip, you spent most of your fps at that resolution around 10ish fps, even as low as 8.6 at one point. If you recorded at 1024x768. How can you say you get higher fps on an even higher resolution. That's completely backwards.

Around to 10-15fps in the video, it drops from around 30, to around 10-15 when recording at 1024x768 medium to low. I remember when playing at 800x600 and i get between 30-55fps and it drop to around 11 or something when recording. my guess, because of how weak the 8400gs is when running crysis.

No one cares about the 27 fps you got when standing still looking at the sky. 90% of that clip your fps was around 11fps or so. And who cares about 800x600, I think I have that resolution on my zune. No one wants there game to look like a game of colorful tetris. So why even mention that resolution. My point still stands. You actually just gave everyone what they wanted with that clip. Your fps getting as low as 8.6 and 10ish while moving around, but you proclaim higher. My advise would be to edit the post and delete the link to the clip. If your fps is that low, there's no way its higher at a higher resolution, in which is what you stated above, which doesnt make since with your card, or even my card. Totally backwards.

1280x1024 aax2, gamer to low to mainstream 18-30fps. You seen 10-15fps, if you look closely because i am recording with fraps, fraps decreases performance, but i have already proved to you and everyone from photos, i don't need to show you anymore proof, you can believe what you want.

Thank you for proving me right, in plain view.

As soon as you're not standing still, your FPS drops to ~10fps. Which means you were indeed cherry picking your screen shots, and which means you're never getting the frame rates you're so adamantly claiming to get.

You want us to believe that FRAPS induces a 50% (And even more, according to you !) performance hit ?

Yes, in the Bin32 folder called Benchmark_GPU.bat.

Yes. Last night i was playing COD 1 for the first time ever , and on my rig at 1280x1024 full screen AA, max settings(using the 8400gs), i get between 57-130fps, and guess what when recording with fraps, it drops say from 95 all the way down to 8-11fps, so i had to turn down the resolution to 1024x768 , remove aa and take off i think it was shadows and from 95 it drop to around 27fps.

I've read others reporting FRAPS to cause about a 50% hit in frame rate as well. You could try Hypercam 2, that may work better in some applications.

You want to use the 9400GT General? I say great,but I have a hard time believing your claims as well when my more powerful machine struggles with Crysis. I get constant 30 FPS in Crysis demo on all low settings. When I use the Very High XP hack, I get about 10-12 FPS constant before I get BSOD'ed. Resolution is 1280x1024 AAx2. My GPU is way more powerful than yours and my CPU is more powerful as well, but your claims are ballpark to my proven results. On CoD 1 demo, the framerate drops below 30 FPS when there are a lot of soldiers on the screen, so I have no idea how you can possibly get "57-130fps" with a 8400GS PCI card setup. On a side note, I have played through all 4 difficulties of Call of Duty 1 with nothing but a 2.8 GHz Celeron and Intel Integrated Graphics with a 0-5 FPS average.

Unfortunately, my machine doesn't get dramatically different results in my HD 3850 AGP from what a 9500GT PCI would produce because of CPU bottleneck, but it still is better and I will take that over PCI any day. It may be only twice the framerate at best in the HD 3850 AGP over 9500GT PCI instead of 5-6 times like this card is capable of.

PCI cards have helped me in the past and will help others as a stopgap solution only. I will never use them as a first option and I hope to never have to resort to using them again in my future PC's.

For those who want to see how the PCI evga 9400gt stats is:



Someone bought it over at guru3d, thats really interesting stats

Teklord, i am not buying a 9400gt. For that quad later this year, i plan to buy a 8600gt pci and 4350. For this system i have now, my main one, i am moving on to pcie and buying a 4550 and a 9600gt or 9500gt. And yes COD1 works great, just poorly recording. I have my 2400 back in, i will show you some benchmarks soon

Interesting and informative screenshot General, thanks. Probably better to do the thumbnail or link for the low internet bandwidth people out there. Makes me feel better about my HD 3850 AGP purchase since the 9500GT PCI isn't much more powerful.

Cheers and we look forward to your Forum Favourites selections!


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I oc my gpu 2400hd, this seems to be the limit without freezing

http://gpuz.techpowerup.com/09/06/27/83c.png

If the 8400GS is more powerful, why do you go back to using the HD 2400? You only need one PCI card if you must use one, and I recommend the 9500GT 1GB version if you insist on using PCI. 8400GS PCI is the best PCI card for the money, but the 9500GT is slightly more powerful.

8400GS PCI vs. HD 2400 Pro PCI

On a different note, it's nice to know that it is impossible for my CPU to be able to display a single pixel or polygon more than what my HD 3850 AGP can produce, this in light of the CPU bottleneck.

Actually, the Visiontek 2400HD is slightly more powerful then the 8400gs. The 8400gs is powerful also, but video playback is way better with the 2400 and most new games work better with the 2400hd. The 8400gs is better with using older games, and opengl games and few other ones. So its kinda like a tie, but the 2400hd seem to be more powerful overall.

I am moving on to PCIE with " this rig " i have( my main AMD one ) , but with the Quad core which i am buying later this year, i am buying a 4350 PCI and that Albatron 8600gt card.

No, The 9400GT is the best for the money. The 9400gt kills the 8400gs overall.

Lol what does that mean? you get poor performance in gaming?
Can you post your crysis benchmarks at 1280x1024 NO AA, all low to medium settings?

I don't know why video playback would be less efficient on the 8400GS or why games would like the HD 2400 Pro anymore either.


You can use what you want but A) quad core's are underutilized for games and almost all games only recognize two cores still. B) Your new CPU will be slightly wasted on a PCI card but everyone has already told you that many times.


Best for the money means the most performance per price ratio and I believe the 8400GS is close to half of what the 9400GT goes for still.

That means that the HD 3850 AGP is a great card for AGP. I was expressing my lament of my CPU bottleneck and the consolation I received from knowing this PC can do absolutely no better. I am content with the excellent retro gaming type results I get from my current build considering what I have to work with.