AMD Ryzen 9000 desktop CPU lineup leaked ahead of Computex launch

[zohaibahd]

Something to look forward to: AMD is reportedly planning an initial launch of four Zen 5 CPUs ranging from 6 to 16 cores. The Ryzen 9 9950X flagship will be a 16-core / 32-thread CPU, followed by the 12-core / 24-thread Ryzen 9 9900X, the 8-core / 16-thread Ryzen 7 9700X, and the 6-core / 12-thread Ryzen 5 9600. The TDPs range from 65W for the 9600 to 170W for the 9950X.

An internal document from motherboard maker Gigabyte appears to reveal details about AMD's forthcoming Ryzen 9000 series desktop processors, codenamed "Granite Ridge." If the leak is legitimate – which we can probably confirm in just a few days when Computex 2024 kicks off – we can expect a significant performance boost.

These new Ryzen 9000 chips will be manufactured using TSMC's cutting-edge 4nm EUV technology. This represents a full node shrink from the 5nm process used for the current Zen 4 processors.

Smaller transistors typically translate to higher clock speeds and better efficiency. AMD has a strong relationship with TSMC and has been utilizing their N4 node for recent Phoenix and Hawk Point mobile chips. Therefore, it is not surprising that this process is being adopted for the new chips again.

Gigabyte also confirmed something important .

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– HXL (@9550pro) May 31, 2024

The Ryzen 9000 series will also feature an all-new Zen 5 microarchitecture, which is expected to bring significant improvements in IPC (Instructions Per Clock) and power efficiency. According to SPEC benchmarks from April, Zen 5 cores could be over 40 percent faster than Zen 4, making the next-gen chips a substantial upgrade.

AMD appears to be sticking to its "chiplet" design approach. Instead of a monolithic die, these CPUs will utilize multiple compact core chiplets (CCDs) linked to a central I/O die. Each core CCD can house up to eight cores, enabling configurations ranging from six cores up to a flagship 16-core model.

Rather than designing an all-new I/O die from scratch, rumors indicate that AMD will likely reuse the 6nm client I/O die (cIOD) employed in the previous generation Raphael processors. This cIOD integrates an RDNA 2-based GPU with two compute units, a dual-channel DDR5 memory controller, a 28-lane PCIe 5.0 root complex for high-speed connectivity, and other SoC features.

Regarding memory, there are whispers that the Ryzen 9000 series could support DDR5 speeds beyond the 6,000MHz ceiling of the current Zen 4 chips. Feeding these CPUs with really fast RAM could unleash their full performance potential. AMD has identified DDR5-6000 as a "sweet spot" for Raphael, so Granite Ridge may push DDR5 support even higher.

Since these chips have yet to be announced, there's no specific timeline for release or details on pricing as of yet. However, they have already entered mass production, with the launch set to follow in the second quarter of the year.

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AMD Ryzen 9000 desktop CPU lineup leaked ahead of Computex launch

 

[Manoa]

I don't understand, how will the RAM speed incrase if the IO die is the same ?

 

[yRaz]

I don't understand, how will the RAM speed incrase if the IO die is the same ?

so I was going to make a sarcastic reply, but that's actually a legitimate question.

AMD has a sweet spot where if the memory speed matches the infinity fabric frequency, you see major performance gains. What is special about that is when running memory speeds LOWER than that you see a heavy IMPACT in performance. Once you reach the ideal memory speed you get a great increase in performance. You still get an increases in performance from higher memory speeds, just not as large as you were getting once you go 1:1 with the infinity fabric on the CPU. You don't see as large of gains in performance after 6000 speed memory as you see impacts in performance from memory lower than DDR5 6000

a problem that AMD was having before is that they required higher memory timings than Intel at the same speed or else they would suffer stability issues. This lead to many people just going with 6000 speed memory because the difference between 6000 and 7200 wasn't worth it AT THE TIME. This started to circulate when DDR5 prices were very high so people would go with the slower memory that was "good enough" instead of buying faster kits. Now that DDR5 is getting cheap, this really isn't that much of an issue anymore.

This is a large reason why you are seeing 7200 speed memory on everything these days on AMD mobile systems,

 

[Eldrach]

Hopefully we’ll see the next X3D chips before Christmas

 

[passingposeidon]

I guess the question on most gamers minds will be ... is the 9900X a good buy, or does it make sense to wait for the 9800X3D which will inevitably be coming a couple of quarters later?

 

[Starfals]

I guess the question on most gamers minds will be ... is the 9900X a good buy, or does it make sense to wait for the 9800X3D which will inevitably be coming a couple of quarters later?

As a gamer, the X3D makes a lot more sense. My friend also didn't want to wait and got a 7700... and then he regretted it big time. Same for my other friend that got a 5800X instead of the X3D version. For gamers, absolutely its worth waiting.

 

[zx8086]

As a gamer, the X3D makes a lot more sense. My friend also didn't want to wait and got a 7700... and then he regretted it big time. Same for my other friend that got a 5800X instead of the X3D version. For gamers, absolutely its worth waiting.

I have zero regrets getting 5600X (+3070 for Cyberpunk 2077). At 300 USD it was already a stretch for me, and 5800X3D was a whooping 150 $ more. And I'm not sure it'd be worth it.

So this time around, maybe it makes sense to jump on 9600 first, if it offers similar bang-per-dollar value, then maybe upgrade when X3D comes round after seeing whether it's 5800 or 7800 X3D like (the latter being much better value imo).

 

[godrilla]

Hopefully we’ll see the next X3D chips before Christmas

5800X3D launched 4/22
7800X3D launched 4/23
9800x3d probably 4/25 my prediction.
Leave it up to AMD to not take advantage of of potential 5090 owners looking to mitigate CPU bottleneck for 3 quarters. Hopefully Intel will deliver some competition until then.

 

[daffy duck]

I don't understand, how will the RAM speed incrase if the IO die is the same ?

IO may be largely he same, but they certainly will have tweaked it and also the memory controller is improved too.
The infinity fabric is now rated to 2400MHz making 7200MT/s DDR5 the new sweet spot for AMD, up from 6000 MT/s memory. If we can start seeing some nice DDR5 7200 CAS 32 soon and CAS 30 later that will be a nice boost for feeding all those cores.

 

[daffy duck]

5800X3D launched 4/22
7800X3D launched 4/23
9800x3d probably 4/25 my prediction.
Leave it up to AMD to not take advantage of of potential 5090 owners looking to mitigate CPU bottleneck for 3 quarters. Hopefully Intel will deliver some competition until then.

Apparently there is some chance X3D will launch late this year or Q1 2025 at latest. Some discussions in AMD to bring forward v-cache to within 3 months of X models. It would take a lot of wind out of Arrow Lake if v-cache models launch early, even if it's just the 9800X3D.

 

[godrilla]

Apparently there is some chance X3D will launch late this year or Q1 2025 at latest. Some discussions in AMD to bring forward v-cache to within 3 months of X models. It would take a lot of wind out of Arrow Lake if v-cache models launch early, even if it's just the 9800X3D.

According to Tom at Moore'slawisdead yt channel he mentioned q4 2024 or q1 2025.

 

[takaozo]

I have zero regrets getting 5600X.

Same combo here but $200 for the 5600x, 2 months after 5800x3d was launched and the 3070 was 12 months used for $300.
After 2 years it still runs +60fps at 1440p about anything I throw at it (except Starfield).

I didn't jump to Zen4 because a decent board still cost more than $300, my self imposed limit for each part. When PCIe5 GPU's will be a thing maybe I consider geting into AM5.

Zen 5? let's wait for reviews first and for GTA6 requirements. Until then enjoy what you have!

 

[Eldrach]

There has been rumors about a 9900x3d or 9950 x3d with full 3d cache on both chiplets. That would’ve been a killer cpu

 

[ScottSoapbox]

Hopefully we’ll see the next X3D chips before Christmas

I do too, but I highly doubt it. Q1 2025 is more likely given their release history.

 

[Jrfeimst2]

As a gamer, the X3D makes a lot more sense. My friend also didn't want to wait and got a 7700... and then he regretted it big time. Same for my other friend that got a 5800X instead of the X3D version. For gamers, absolutely its worth waiting.

For me it all depends on the gains. If the non X3D has enough gains then I’ll just get the non X variant. Say if the non X variant is 15 percent faster than the current 7800 X3D then that’s enough for me to upgrade from a 5900X

 

[Vanderlinde]

There has been rumors about a 9900x3d or 9950 x3d with full 3d cache on both chiplets. That would’ve been a killer cpu

They are not going to release such chips.

If that was the case it would have bin done already.