AMD's Navi 44 "RDNA 4" GPU package size could be much smaller than Navi 33

[DragonSlayer101]

Rumor mill: AMD's Navi 44 "RDNA 4" GPU is rumored to feature a significantly smaller package size compared to Navi 33, the smallest GPU in the Radeon RX 7000 series. However, it will still be larger than Navi 24, which powers entry-level SKUs in the Radeon RX 6000 lineup. Navi 44 is expected to drive lower-end graphics cards in the upcoming Radeon 8000 family due out early next year.

Navi 44 will reportedly feature a package size of just 29 x 29 mm, or 841 sq mm. This makes it approximately 31 percent smaller than Navi 33, which has a 35 x 35 mm package size. However, it will still be around 25 percent larger than the 28 x 24 mm package size of Navi 24.

This information comes from shipping manifests published on the nbd.ltd website and was spotted by well-known leaker @Olrak29_. The listing also revealed that the Navi 44 GPU will utilize the BGA137 socket.

Navi 44 and Navi 48 will be the two main GPUs powering the Radeon 8000 family. While Navi 44 will handle the entry-level SKUs in the next-gen lineup, Navi 48 is expected to drive the more premium offerings. AMD is rumored to unveil its flagship RDNA 4 cards at CES 2025 in January, though the more affordable SKUs powered by Navi 44 are only expected to launch in the second quarter.

It's worth noting that the actual die sizes for both Navi 44 and Navi 48, along with their specs, remain unknown. However, rumors suggest AMD is preparing at least two different cards based on Navi 44, while the rest of the Radeon 8000 family may be powered by Navi 48. These cards will compete with NVIDIA's Blackwell lineup, though they are unlikely to challenge the flagship RTX 5090.

Speaking of the RTX 50 series, Nvidia is expected to launch its next-gen offerings early next year, with upgrades that include support for up to 36GB of GDDR7 memory and 1,536 GB/s of bandwidth. While full specs remain under wraps, rumors indicate a significant performance boost over the RTX 40 series, delivering smoother gameplay and faster rendering.

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AMD's Navi 44 "RDNA 4" GPU package size could be much smaller than Navi 33

 

[OortCloud]

My prediction...
They will just about compete with matching over-priced mid-range nVidia cards but will be similarly over-priced so the launch will be underwhelming.
6 months later when AMD realises that people will buy nVidia cards over theirs if they don't discount them slightly due to the feature set and 'just works' sentiment for nVidia, they will finally discount them, but by then nobody will really care.

 

[yRaz]

I'm not really worried about AMD having something to compete with the 5090. What I want more than ANYTHING is 4080 level of performance for $500. I'm stuck with AMD for now that I've decided to go all in with Linux for compatibility reasons. nVidia has said they are going to start having open source drivers for Linux, but they're still in their infancy and one reason I was never able to fully migrate to Linux when I had my 1080ti was their driver suite was nowhere near as clean or usable in Linux. On top of that, I had texture errors, grey boxes and some games just wouldn't run at all.

There has been a lot of AMD hate on the forums lately. However, regardless of what team you're on, we all want better performance at better prices. Let the 5090 take the crown in the "price is no object" category, but I really would like to see some real competition in the mid-ranged space. I don't care if the 5070 outsells the 8800XT or whatever it will be called, I think we all want a price drop regardless of what GPU platform we choose.

my 6700XT is fine for now, it does everything I ask of it perfectly. The thing is, there is going to come a day when I have no choice to upgrade. I really hope that AMD has something compelling by then or that nVidia has gotten their Linux game together. I was eyeing the 7900XTX for awhile, but I grossly overpaid for my 6700Xt during the GPU shortage so I'm a bit determined to get the most out of it.

My prediction...
They will just about compete with matching over-priced mid-range nVidia cards but will be similarly over-priced so the launch will be underwhelming.
6 months later when AMD realises that people will buy nVidia cards over theirs if they don't discount them slightly due to the feature set and 'just works' sentiment for nVidia, they will finally discount them, but by then nobody will really care.

AMD still has a lot of inventory floating around. I have a feeling we're going to see a STEEP price drop on the 7000 series when the 50 series is released. AMD has a lot of margin on their cards, margin that they could be using to take marketshare away from nVidia. So while I was fine with AMD keeping prices high in the first 12 months after release, a 10-15% pricedrop across the board should have been done well over 6 months ago.

 

[yannus]

My prediction...
They will just about compete with matching over-priced mid-range nVidia cards but will be similarly over-priced so the launch will be underwhelming.
6 months later when AMD realises that people will buy nVidia cards over theirs if they don't discount them slightly due to the feature set and 'just works' sentiment for nVidia, they will finally discount them, but by then nobody will really care.

My prediction is that AMD is focusing on APUs as they know they'll never win the GPU market. So is Intel doing. If AMD can have a 7600 equivalent APU, they'll get a huge marketshare.

 

[OortCloud]

AMD still has a lot of inventory floating around. I have a feeling we're going to see a STEEP price drop on the 7000 series when the 50 series is released. AMD has a lot of margin on their cards, margin that they could be using to take marketshare away from nVidia. So while I was fine with AMD keeping prices high in the first 12 months after release, a 10-15% pricedrop across the board should have been done well over 6 months ago.

Lets hope so! I just wish they would push nVidia a little rather than just price-matching all the time and offering previous gen products on the cheap.

 

[trparky]

I kind of feel like it doesn't matter if AMD puts out the best graphics card, the market won't care because it's not nVidia. And the problem is, nVidia knows this and they price their products with that in mind. They know that the market is heavily nVidia-based so as long as that's the case, they'll milk the market for all its worth.

Want to end the abuse nVidia is doing to all of us? Simple. Buy AMD. Then again, we all know that that's not going to happen. There's too many nVidia fanboys out there that'll continue to give their money over to nVidia regardless of how much their products cost.

 

[Rolfil]

This doesn't take into account the node sizes.
6600XT uses 7nm TSMC
7600XT uses 6nm TSMC
8600?? will use 4NP or 4NX TSMC

There is much higher transistor density between these with improved efficiency and lower power requirements. The fact that it is smaller will also likely help keep the price down, although newer nodes normally cost more. Even the lower spec card is likely to be better than the 7600/7600XT

 

[Axeia]

This article is scarce on information to the point of telling 99.9% of readers absolutely nothing.
Let's dig in a bit shall we?

AMD's Navi 44 "RDNA 4" GPU is rumored to feature a significantly smaller package size compared to Navi 33, the smallest GPU in the Radeon RX 7000 series.

Navi 33's fastest card is the 7600 XT and the die size is 204mm² made on TSMC 6nm.

However, it will still be larger than Navi 24, which powers entry-level SKUs in the Radeon RX 6000 lineup.

Navi 24's fastest card is the RX 6500 XT* and the die size is 107mm² on TSMC 6nm.

* The laptop chip AMD pushed to desktop during the mining hype with a meager 4GB of VRAM and PCI-E 4.0 x4. Due to the limited lanes on PCI-E 3.0 performance was even worse than it was to begin with. One of AMDs all time worst products imo. This should have been the '6400', at 6500 the decent stuff is supposed to start.

Navi 44 is expected to drive lower-end graphics cards in the upcoming Radeon 8000 family due out early next year.

So being larger than one of AMDs worst ever products is at least a decent start.
Being significantly smaller than the 7600 XT is alright for lower end cards especially with the improvements since TSMC 6nm.
NAVI 44 is expected to be on one of TSMCs 4nm nodes so that will be some mix of higher density/lower power consumption and or higher clocks.

So to me that sounds like RX 8000 cards performance will start at at 7600 XT'ish performance.
imo if they can put out a card with the performance somewhere between the 6600XT and 7600 XT (but better ray tracing) and price that at $200 that would be a good start towards gaining market share. That's the minimum level of performance to make for a good 1080p card and everyone knows $200 is the magic price level for reaching a MASSIVE part of the market. (Fine, $225 at most corrected for inflation)

 

[CMP01]

I kind of feel like it doesn't matter if AMD puts out the best graphics card, the market won't care because it's not nVidia. And the problem is, nVidia knows this and they price their products with that in mind. They know that the market is heavily nVidia-based so as long as that's the case, they'll milk the market for all its worth.

Want to end the abuse nVidia is doing to all of us? Simple. Buy AMD. Then again, we all know that that's not going to happen. There's too many nVidia fanboys out there that'll continue to give their money over to nVidia regardless of how much their products cost.

AMD simply had too much hate, hype and bias running against them to do well.
That is, even when they did do well. Before RDNA2 their best efforts barely matched whatever mid range card Nvidia had. They also had some other long term issues as well, that RDNA2 also worked greatly to turn around to near parity. RDNA2 came with strong contest vs Nvidia all the way to their flagship, only losing in any way at all (a small, effectively single gen loss in RT and upscaler quality which they held into RDNA3 vs Ada as well) and they did this for often only half the price for trading blows in raster (still the most important metric)

To this day too many ppl don't, can't or won't understand that difference.
Look at the 7900XTX vs 4080 pre the Ada Super refresh and price revisions. They traded blows in raster, with the latter having a third less VRAM but a single gen lead in RT (given the former matched a 3090) but the price difference in 2023? £900-1150 for the 7900XTX, low/ref to high/premium card brand/model vs £1350-2100 for the 4080. The 4090 still goes for £1600-2500 for only 20% more fps and a similar RT lead. Have to point out that low-high per tier price range for Nvidia too... almost a grand to cover different versions of the same card? That used to cover from xx60-x80ti back in Turing and before, and AMD still do so while keeping overall prices way down! Not the first time either, the price to perf differences were, if anything worse for RDNA2 vs Ampere. The other question, of course, is how much of the overall price should an extra 30 fps when using RT be worth? I mean it doesn't generate fps but takes it away, requiring upscalers to make good... so is it worth up to half the card's cost when the other half pays for 100+ fps at 4K. I say 20% added might be fair if the rest is equal, but not a penny more.

But that wasn't an issue to AMD's success so much as the constant griefing in about every forum. From outright insults towards AMD users to meme, myth and out of context arguments against (which I can personally say is 99% false) I've even seen newbs to the hobby coming into building forums with no idea AMD exists or also makes the current best gaming CPU's, such is the level of hype and mindshare. I still see ppl even now daily making negative claims re AMD that just aren't so. I'm not saying Nvidia don't make good gear, or haven't maintained the position of best but... my how those prices spiral for what is really not so very much more, nm what Nvidia did to get them there and make them stick since 2020. At the price highs we've had with Nvidia I'd expect more, twice the fps maybe (not just 30 fps more I can make up by cutting a level of AA) or lossless RT, or a better VRAM cap than 16Gb etc.

I've both never seen any company, PC HW or otherwise, make such a great return to form from so far behind... yet also get so much opprobrium for daring to do so. Especially against both Nvidia and Intel purposefully doing worse. It's been crazy and imho still the main reason they've decided to take the smart step back (cos why bother otherwise?) that might yet do the hobby great harm left in Nvidia's hands.

 

[trparky]

I've stopped giving nVidia my money. It's AMD for me now because I refuse to continue feeding that beast.

 

[ioliveirafarias]

Do anybody else feels like Radeon news about next-gen GPUs are underwhelming when compared to the Geforce ones?
And it's AMD fault.

 

[scoffer]

My prediction...
They will just about compete with matching over-priced mid-range nVidia cards but will be similarly over-priced so the launch will be underwhelming.
6 months later when AMD realises that people will buy nVidia cards over theirs if they don't discount them slightly due to the feature set and 'just works' sentiment for nVidia, they will finally discount them, but by then nobody will really care.

Again................................

 

[wildfirede]

I kind of feel like it doesn't matter if AMD puts out the best graphics card, the market won't care because it's not nVidia. And the problem is, nVidia knows this and they price their products with that in mind. They know that the market is heavily nVidia-based so as long as that's the case, they'll milk the market for all its worth.

Want to end the abuse nVidia is doing to all of us? Simple. Buy AMD. Then again, we all know that that's not going to happen. There's too many nVidia fanboys out there that'll continue to give their money over to nVidia regardless of how much their products cost.

But most people want a good product, see Zen it outperformed Intel, people bought it, same with rtx really.

 

[Hom3r]

I hope AMD can deliver a decent release after the Radeon 7000 failure.

AMD simply needs better GPU deals to lure in buyers.

They also need to fix FSR to perform like DLSS and improve RT performance, or the GPUs will age like milk anyway. Just look at AMD GPU performance in most new games.

Fix all this, release a "8700XT" with 7900XT raster performance + improved RT performance for like 500 dollars and AMD will easily gain more marketshare again.

However, AMD won't have big margins on this, so will they bother?

 

[Marco Mint]

I don't hold out much hope for getting what I want as I've been waiting for years, but if any GPU maker can provide more than 7900XTX levels of raster performance for under €1000 in Euro-land, that isn't at risk of exploding in a ball of flames. Do it and I'll bite!
If not, I'll put my wallet away and wait some more.