Intel looks past Alder Lake, says faster processors on the horizon

Jimmy2x

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Forward-looking: With the Alder Lake release right around the corner, Pat Gelsinger is already busy charting Intel's next course. The Intel CEO has made several statements regarding the company's direction following the 12th generation processor's launch. According to Gelsinger, Intel will embark on a journey to outpace one of the most popular technological observations of our time.

Pat Gelsinger may be a lot of things, but shy isn't one of them. In an interview with CRN, the blue-team leader pulled no punches, proclaiming Intel's dominance and asserting that Alder Lake & future technologies will mark the end of AMD's current desktop and mobile market dominance. Earlier this week, he doubled down on his stance by predicting Intel will keep pace with, and even overtake, the rate of advancement described by Moore's Law.

The Intel CEO's claim is no small feat to accomplish. Gordon Moore, co-founder of Intel, is credited with creating the Moore's Law observation, which refers to the doubling of components on an integrated circuit. Moore initially predicted a doubling year over year but later revised his prediction to a doubling every two years. Based on the law and Gelsinger's statements, Intel will be setting nothing short of a breakneck pace for innovation in the coming years.

A goal that ambitious requires corporate support, massive funding, and advanced access to resources to succeed. Fortunately for Gelsinger, Intel is positioned well to take on such an immense challenge. The introduction of new architectures, development of enhanced ultraviolet lithography techniques, and the ability to control their own fabrication operations give the company an advantage over the competition. Intel's extremely deep pockets don't hurt their chances, either.

Gelsinger said he expects Intel will be "...comfortably ahead of anybody else in the industry" based on their current roadmap and distinct corporate position. While he doesn't foresee a lack of competition, he does believe the company's in-house fabrication will provide an advantage over competitors like AMD and Apple, both of which rely on third parties (such as TSMC) for their silicon production.

With Alder Lake right around the corner and an ambitious roadmap, Intel has made it abundantly clear that they're taking the fight back to AMD and other CPU manufacturers. While it's too soon to say whether they'll succeed or fail, one thing is for certain – the company is making strong moves and bold statements to reassert themselves as the go-to in the gaming, workstation, and server computing spaces.

Image credit: 12th generation Intel CPU and Pat Gelsinger by Intel

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QuantumPhysics

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Amazing progress by Intel. I will definitely buy a 12th or 13th gen CPU from intel with an ATX motherboard, Liquid cooled AIO (for both the CPU and GPU ) nd DDR5.

Right now, I'm more focused on DDR5 than the CPU.
 

Achaios

Posts: 349   +951
Just more of the same old, same old Intel poopoo.

CPU's with 50 W TDP at stock and 1337 Watts TDP at peak performance/turbo, absolute worst quality TIM in the market so you must delid, and manufacturing defects as shown by Igor Wallosek.

As for what he says for the "future" that's just some nice words that cost nothing and make fanbois warm and fuzzy inside.
 

quadibloc

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The laws of physics killed Dennard scaling, and they're also what's behind transistor counts advancing at a slower pace than Moore's Law indicated. However, if you redefine things just a bit, and use the transistor count of an entire MCM instead of a single die, then there's really no problem in outpacing Moore's Law.
Until the chips get so big that the box you put one in doesn't fit on a desk.
And then there's the Cerebras WSE (Wafer Scale Engine). Since that's been done, there's certainly no reason why Intel couldn't manage to catch up with it...
But it's certainly not impossible for Intel to come up with an ingenious advance that is superior to what Cerebras is doing. Something on the lines of having dies that are larger than what lithography can allow in one exposure - but the connections between zones on the chip, while having a reduced number of wires, still have the high speed of on-chip interconnects.
 

Skjorn

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Amazing progress by Intel. I will definitely buy a 12th or 13th gen CPU from intel with an ATX motherboard, Liquid cooled AIO (for both the CPU and GPU ) nd DDR5.

Right now, I'm more focused on DDR5 than the CPU.
Never understood the AIO craze. Your VRMs will be begging for some fresh air. The GPU aio/hybrid coolers aren't that bad but the cpu ones need to be forgotten. Either monoblock or massive tower.
 

fps4ever

Posts: 865   +1,281
Never understood the AIO craze. Your VRMs will be begging for some fresh air. The GPU aio/hybrid coolers aren't that bad but the cpu ones need to be forgotten. Either monoblock or massive tower.

I've had to pun fan's on my vrm's for that very reason. Great for cpu coolers but not so much for everything else. I decided to strictly go for high performance fan coolers. They have their uses though.
 

Sausagemeat

Posts: 1,592   +1,413
Never understood the AIO craze. Your VRMs will be begging for some fresh air. The GPU aio/hybrid coolers aren't that bad but the cpu ones need to be forgotten. Either monoblock or massive tower.
For me the biggest issue with an AIO is having to put the radiator on the top of my case meaning I had to have the top open. This ended up making it a lot louder than any air cooler and I could no longer rest my feet on my case!
 

captaincranky

Posts: 18,527   +7,370
As for what he says for the "future" that's just some nice words that cost nothing and make fanbois warm and fuzzy inside.
Well, you have to be speaking of Intel "fanbois". It certainly hasn't made you, "all warm and fuzzy inside".:rolleyes:
 

Lionvibez

Posts: 2,621   +2,381
Never understood the AIO craze. Your VRMs will be begging for some fresh air. The GPU aio/hybrid coolers aren't that bad but the cpu ones need to be forgotten. Either monoblock or massive tower.

I'm currently using an 360mm AIO on CPU front mounted and plan to drop a Alphacool Eiswolf 2 AIO - 360mm Radeon RX on my 6800XT with a top mount soon. I like the quiet and how clean it looks. The AIO for gpu will cool the VRM's also. With a good case with air flow not a problem, using a Fractal Design Meshify S2
 

Theinsanegamer

Posts: 3,317   +5,507
Never understood the AIO craze. Your VRMs will be begging for some fresh air. The GPU aio/hybrid coolers aren't that bad but the cpu ones need to be forgotten. Either monoblock or massive tower.
Well unless you get rid of your case fans your VRMs will be cooled just as well, arguably better because there isnt a monolithic block of aluminum blocking airflow to them.

Now otwer cooler provides good VRM cooling, the only coolers that do that are draft down style cooler like the stock ones. But those are very limited in how well they can cool.

Better to buy a decent mobo with good VRMs that dont put out as much heat + good on board/added VRM heatsinks.

Maybe if people had kept their older cases with side fans instead of jumping on the RGB window train they'd see cooling VRMs is really, REALLY easy.
 

hahahanoobs

Posts: 4,308   +2,309
Just more of the same old, same old Intel poopoo.

CPU's with 50 W TDP at stock and 1337 Watts TDP at peak performance/turbo, absolute worst quality TIM in the market so you must delid, and manufacturing defects as shown by Igor Wallosek.

As for what he says for the "future" that's just some nice words that cost nothing and make fanbois warm and fuzzy inside.
Poor TIM huh?
Overclocking on Zen as a whole was DOA from the jump and still is. Sadly AMD didn't get the memo that overclocking involves going beyond boost clock on all cores before slapping an X on a CPU and calling it "unlocked for overclocking". I enjoyed actual overclocks on my past two Intel platforms getting 500MHz+ all core OC on both. On AMD I must settle for PBO2+CO+200MHz+-30 offset. It didn't matter how many X's AMD put in the name, it did not overclock, by their own admission even, but details shmetails. We won't know if OC'ing will be mainstream at all after we see these next gen parts from both camps. I don't have a lot of faith, but if the perf isn't there then why do it, right?

Since tech and building computers is something I put time into, I'm the opposite mind of bashing tech before I see it unless it's warranted. Over a decade of AMD blunders come to mind, but that's a touchy subject for some. Linux Steam Machines and Phoneblox are others. See how those ended up?

AMD should have focused less on marketing unlocked processors and more on power consumption, since that's what everyone cares about, right? Impressive how power consumptions didn't rise over the years on the Intel parts. Makes ADL and Meteor Lake that much more exciting to see.
 
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Gimp65

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Amazing progress by Intel. I will definitely buy a 12th or 13th gen CPU from intel with an ATX motherboard, Liquid cooled AIO (for both the CPU and GPU ) nd DDR5.

Right now, I'm more focused on DDR5 than the CPU.
Tbh I think Alder lake is rather underwhelming, I mean it dosn't even beat the one year or so old Zen 3 overall from the looks of it, this is intel's second attempt to beat Zen 3... The power usage is still way higher than AMD's offering, its overly complex, they call it the biggest architectural shift in a decade, and this is it ?..... from what I can see it's going to be a wash between Zen 3D and Alder lake.
 

Mr Majestyk

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Must be a shareholder meeting coming up aye Pat. If you think AMD is sitting with their thumb up their @ss you are delusional. Any body that thinks Zen 4 will be a tweak of Zen 3 is in for a rude shock and Zen 5 will be even bigger evolution. Zen 4 will not take a back seat to Raptor Lake and Intel has already dealt their hand. RL is AL with 2x Gracemont cores (identical toi AL ones), better efficiency and 15% or so IPC uplift from new RL cores.
 

umbala

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So Intel used to make 8-core processors where all 8 cores were "high performance", and then they switched to a new gimmick where you get 4 high performance cores and 4 high efficiency cores instead. If this is progress then I can't wait to see what hilarious new gimmick Intel has in store next.

I have a feeling his claims won't age well when you consider that AMD (well, TSMC really) is at least 1-1.5 generations ahead of Intel right now. Not only that, Intel has actually been falling behind. So they're going to catch up to AMD by moving slower. Makes sense.

PS. - Remember 5 years ago when Microsoft's CEO claimed that Windows 10 will be the last version of Windows ever? Fast forward to today and here comes Windows 11! I have a feeling the Intel drama will play out similarly and it will be AMD who increases the gap instead of Intel beating them.
 

Watzupken

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I think it won't be surprising that Alder Lake will do better than Zen 3, particularly when you look at the i5 12600K vs the Ryzen 5 5600X. Even the i7 12700K may do quite a bit of damage to AMD's Ryzen 7 5800X. The Golden Cove cores seems to be quite fast, so with additional efficient cores to support them, they may do better than Zen 3. However, I feel Intel don't quite understand what their customer wants. To them, it is all about winning the performance crown back at all cost at the expense of power consumption. For each of the comparisons above, the Alder Lake equivalents are consuming quite a lot more power. In my opinion, Intel is losing big customers because of their power hungry chips, where most of them have switched to ARM and some to AMD. So I am not sure if Intel will achieve anything tangible by focusing only on performance and overlooking the power consumption. AMD will eventually be pushing the power limits since their main competitor isn't concerned about power consumption, so as long as they can keep the power requirements below what Intel chips need, they will likely still continue selling the chips like hot cakes.
 

Skjorn

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Well unless you get rid of your case fans your VRMs will be cooled just as well, arguably better because there isnt a monolithic block of aluminum blocking airflow to them.

Now otwer cooler provides good VRM cooling, the only coolers that do that are draft down style cooler like the stock ones. But those are very limited in how well they can cool.

Better to buy a decent mobo with good VRMs that dont put out as much heat + good on board/added VRM heatsinks.

Maybe if people had kept their older cases with side fans instead of jumping on the RGB window train they'd see cooling VRMs is really, REALLY easy.
Monoblock blocks vrm? A monoblock covers the cpu and vrms to be water cooled. Tower coolers push air over the top of cpu vrms as they exhaust.
I'm currently using an 360mm AIO on CPU front mounted and plan to drop a Alphacool Eiswolf 2 AIO - 360mm Radeon RX on my 6800XT with a top mount soon. I like the quiet and how clean it looks. The AIO for gpu will cool the VRM's also. With a good case with air flow not a problem, using a Fractal Design Meshify S2
The gpu aio cooling the cpu vrms. Riiiight.
 

HardReset

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PS. - Remember 5 years ago when Microsoft's CEO claimed that Windows 10 will be the last version of Windows ever? Fast forward to today and here comes Windows 11! I have a feeling the Intel drama will play out similarly and it will be AMD who increases the gap instead of Intel beating them.
No? Microsoft CEO never said that. That's good example of "false news become true if repeated long enough" -thing.
 

Lionvibez

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Monoblock blocks vrm? A monoblock covers the cpu and vrms to be water cooled. Tower coolers push air over the top of cpu vrms as they exhaust.

The gpu aio cooling the cpu vrms. Riiiight.
I'm obviously referring to the GPU vrms......