Princeton said:
lawfer said:
I don't get why people think Nokia will make a difference with WP7. Nokia has always been--in the US-- a minor player. It won't be a game changer, specially with the HTC Titan and the Focus S being superior in hardware.
And how is the titan superior in hardware? An inferior TN based screen with a lower pixel density, the same processor, a worse camera, and the same storage and ram.
The focus S has better specs by having a SAMOLED+ screen but that's about it. And the titan certainly does not beat the lumia 800.
I apologize, I guess I should have made myself more clear. There are two things in my last comment that should be edited for clarification.
First, I was comparing the Titan to the Lumia 700, and the Focus S to the Lumia 800. As it is understood the Focus S is a higher-end device compared to the Titan (despite its large screen).
A second thing that should be edited is that, at the end, my comment should say "overall."
Now that that's out of the way. Let's just say I wasn't indeed talking about the Titan vs the 710, and the Focus S vs the 800, respectively. Let's say its the other way around.
The Titan does not use just a TN screen. It is, technically, an AMOLED display, just the same as the 800. HTC now mostly manufactures using Sony's S-LCD displays, which effers the same advantages as AMOLED does. S-LCDs are not simply twisted nematic displays; they are superior, with a different type of active matrix technology. Although equal to AMOLED, S-LCDs usually come with less ppi than AMOLEDs, which is the case with the Titan and the 800.
I researched and the 800 features 252ppi, while the Titan features 199ppi. In essence, the screen is the same, but the Lumia 800 has 53 more pixels per inch. Hardly anything to boast about.
The camera is the same, megapixel-wise, both at 3264x2448, and capable of shooting 720p video. The Lumia has a Carl Zeiss lens, for better "quality." At 8MP, difference is hardly noticeable, but lenses do make a difference. In this category, the only thing left is to actually have test photos of the two; but for now, Lumia is superior.
Everything else is about the same. Titan has the same memory, although a higher clocked Scorpion processor, and the same Adreno 205 GPU. So basically, Lumia has a better camera? Although form factor, and actual body do come into account when choosing a phone, I'd leave those characteristics out of the comparison, as those are more subjective than qualitative.
Both are almost the same. And mind you I never even meant to compare the Titan and the 800, but the Focus S and the 800; which is, arguably, the best out of the two.
Chazz said:
lawfer said:
I don't get why people think Nokia will make a difference with WP7. Nokia has always been--in the US-- a minor player. It won't be a game changer, specially with the HTC Titan and the Focus S being superior in hardware.
I don't really agree with that. Nokia dominated the U.S. a few years(10-15) back. There were only nokia and Motorola phones in people's hand. They have been a non-factor recently but that's not to suggest that it can't change Motorola died for a couple years here too.
But with that said, It will be a challenge for sure and I'm glad Nokia decided to prioritize European markets first. It shows that they have their priorities straight. They're much more likely to make a impact there. Almost at the same time they were announcing the phone a ton of Europe carriers started an advertising blitz for these two new phones. Stark contrast to our U.S. carriers.
As for the FFC comment, I think that is much more important in the U.S. and we don't even know what phones Nokia will be bringing out to the U.S. It's rumored that it'll be the 900 and it's possible that will have a FFC. Either way you'd have to wait and see since Nokia phones aren't coming to the U.S. until 2012 anyways.
For me, I'll be getting either the Focus S or the new Nokia phone. It depends on what Nokia releases, but as for the confirmed upcoming U.S. phones the Samsung ones are the best IMO.
Well that's exactly my point. Nokia WAS predominant in the US. But right now, in the era of smartphones, it is minor player. And by minor I mean minuscule.
Truthfully, what makes you think that releasing another phone with WP7, will make any more impact than with their Symbian or MeeGo OS? A customer walks into a store, an sees the "Samusung Focus S", right next to the "Nokia Lumia 800/Searay", which you do you think he/she will pick? It's not about quality, as I have owned Nokia phones, but is more about both consumer trust and market awareness.
The same reason why, say, having a price card say "8MP Carl Zeiss camera" on a Nokia, and just "8 MP" on a HTC, doesn't make a difference. People know HTC and love HTC. The same way people know Samsung, and love Samsung.
And I too, will be getting the Focus S. I actually like more the design of the Lumia, and I know it has a better camera, but I see myself just getting the Focus S. I wonder <i>why</i> is that?
