Phone network employs AI "grandmother" to waste scammers' time with meandering conversations

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In brief: Human-like AIs have brought plenty of justifiable concerns about their ability to replace human workers, but a company is turning the tech against one of humanity's biggest scourges: phone scammers. The AI imitates the criminals' most popular target, a senior citizen, who keeps the fraudsters on the phone as long as possible in conversations that go nowhere, à la Grandpa Simpson.

The creation of O2, the UK's largest mobile network operator, Daisy, or dAIsy, is an AI created to trick scammers into thinking they are talking to a real grandmother who likes to ramble. If and when the AI does hand over the demanded bank details, it reads out fake numbers and names.

The software is designed to keep people on the line for as long as possible. Not only does this mean less time for the scammers to target real humans, but O2 is also using the conversations to learn the favorite tricks and techniques used in these schemes.

As you can hear in the video, the tricksters aren't happy about being tricked – they become increasingly angry and sweary. The bot is so convincing that it has managed to keep some people on the phone for 40 minutes at a time.

If you've seen any of the several YouTube channels that scam scammers, sometimes by using a voice changer to sound like an old lady, you'll know what to expect. Daisy has been trained with the help of one of the platform's most popular scambaiters, Jim Browning.

Daisy works by listening to a caller and transcribing their voice to text. Responses are generated through a custom LLM complete with a character personality layer, and are then fed back through a custom AI text-to-speech model to generate a voice answer. All of this takes place in real time.

O2 customers aren't being given access to Daisy so they can wage their own campaign of vengeance against scammers. Instead, the AI tool has been added to a list of 'easy target' numbers used by scammers. Daisy is able to interact with callers 24/7 without any input from human controllers.

Murray Mackenzie, Director of Fraud at Virgin Media O2, said: "We're committed to playing our part in stopping the scammers, investing in everything from firewall technology to block out scam texts to AI-powered spam call detection to keep our customers safe. But crucially, Daisy is also a reminder that no matter how persuasive someone on the other end of the phone may be, they aren't always who you think they are."

Daisy was created in response to research from O2 that found 71% of Brits would like to get their revenge on scammers that have tricked them or their loved ones, but most said they wouldn't engage in scambaiting as they didn't want to waste their time.

While the work being done by the AI can be applauded, its ability to converse with someone so convincingly is unnerving. Ironically, similar technology is also being used by scammers to trick people into thinking they are talking to their relatives.

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This is so cool, is there a way to forwards the spammer calls I'm getting to this ? I feel like oh hold on you want to talk to {name} let me get them on the phone for you
 
It is just one example where AI will literally provide real output.

This will get interesting in 10 years from now.
 
If instead the focus was in stopping and educating the public about scams, THAT would be impressive.
 
Be careful, this works both ways.

They are going to do it anyway , phishing , scam calls, tarot reading , better Ashley madison Bots . writing viruses, looking for weakness , smarter password guessing etc

What's funny in NZ many of the help desks are Indian , with strong accents for telcos and ISPs

Then you had call centres anyway out of India

Just say in a few words how I can help you today , many of then seem to only respond to single words and dumb AF. Sometimes I speak gobbledygook as goes to a human faster
 
Why not just use real grandmothers? It would give them something to do. They just run on tea and biscuits and they can chat for hours.
 
Good Honeypot use of AI. Now if we could only get it in the states and my Telco offered it. I have too many numbers blocked wanting to buy the house that I don't own but that's what they want. I tell them we're on a 10 year lease so if they can find the Owner and buy it, they'll either have to continue the lease of pay it off and assist us in moving.
 
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