Samsung's upcoming solid-state EV batteries promise 9-minute charging and 600 mile range

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On the horizon: Samsung recently pulled back the curtain on its latest battery innovations aimed at powering tomorrow's electric vehicles. From solid-state cells promising over 600 miles of range to ultra-fast charging and extended lifespans, the tech giant laid out an ambitious roadmap.

Samsung's oxide solid-state batteries, now in pilot production and testing with automakers, boast an impressive energy density of around 500 Wh/kg – roughly double that of today's mainstream EV batteries. The Elec notes the batteries have an unbelievably quick time to full-charge of just nine minutes and lifespans up to an incredible 20 years.

According to Samsung SDI Vice President Ko Joo-young, carmakers are going gaga over these next-gen batteries because they are significantly smaller, lighter, and much safer than today's EV batteries. However, the high production costs mean they'll initially be confined to the "super premium" EV segment. Luxury electric cars using the tech can travel between 900-1,000 kilometers (over 600 miles) on a single charge without significantly increasing battery size and weight.

Toyota has also circled 2027 as its target for mass producing long-lasting solid-state batteries. However, the carmaker cautioned that its first deployment would likely be limited to premium Lexus EVs.

While Samsung's and Toyota's plans may sound game-changing, they're still only playing catch up with Chinese battery makers. This timeline puts the duo behind the current EV battery leader, China's CATL. Notebookcheck reports that CATL expects a one-percent solid-state penetration rate by 2027.

Meanwhile, Chinese rival NIO already offers semi-solid state batteries enabling over 650 miles of range. Still, others have achieved ultra-rapid 5C or 6C charging speeds – although the main hurdle of deploying sufficient charging infrastructure remains a significant challenge.

Samsung will also face competition from South Korean rival LG on the solid-state front. Although it trails Samsung's 2027 target by three years, LG Energy Solutions claims it is aggressively developing dry electrode-based solid-state tech that puts it "ahead of the curve."

However, solid-state technology isn't Samsung's only play. It's also developing cheaper lithium iron phosphate (LFP) and cobalt-free batteries to compete in more affordable EV segments. The popularity of LFP batteries is rapidly growing. A recent report highlighted that the technology already accounts for 40 percent of EV sales.

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Samsung's upcoming solid-state EV batteries promise 9-minute charging and 600 mile range

 

[yRaz]

*insert "believe it when I see it" comment*

 

[MasterAce]

Personally I think the 75kWh battery capacity and 150kw charging speed is just fine, as long as the charging network catches up.

Rather I’d like to see the size and weight go down so that we can go back to normal sized cars.

 

[yRaz]

Personally I think the 75kWh battery capacity and 150kw charging speed is just fine, as long as the charging network catches up.

Rather I’d like to see the size and weight go down so that we can go back to normal sized cars.

I honestly see ebikes as the more practical EVs. They're cheap, great for cities and now I'm seeing ones with 40-50miles of all electric range. They need to stop pushing "electric cars" and start pushing electric bikes and mopeds.

 

[MasterAce]

I honestly see ebikes as the more practical EVs. They're cheap, great for cities and now I'm seeing ones with 40-50miles of all electric range. They need to stop pushing "electric cars" and start pushing electric bikes and mopeds.

Sure, for urban areas absolutely. E-bikes are selling really well. Plus the health benefit, I wish I had an office job I could ride my ebike to.

Meanwhile others living in rural areas will need the EV’s.

 

[yRaz]

Sure, for urban areas absolutely. E-bikes are selling really well. Plus the health benefit, I wish I had an office job I could ride my ebike to.

Meanwhile others living in rural areas will need the EV’s.

The rest of the world does not need to accommodate the few people who choose to live in rural areas. If you choose to live in a rural area then you accept any compromise that might come with that choice. When my family still had the horse farm, I hated the basically hour drive to goto the store if we needed something and never being able to "go out to eat"

Living in rural areas is over rated. Also, there will never be an EV that replaces a farm truck.

Ebikes are great because most people don't need cars.

 

[Cal Jeffrey]

The rest of the world does not need to accommodate the few people who choose to live in rural areas. If you choose to live in a rural area then you accept any compromise that might come with that choice. When my family still had the horse farm, I hated the basically hour drive to goto the store if we needed something and never being able to "go out to eat"

Living in rural areas is over rated. Also, there will never be an EV that replaces a farm truck.

Ebikes are great because most people don't need cars.

Nobody is "accommodating" people who live in rural areas. Companies see a need, and they fill it for profit. Trust me, Ford, GM, Toyota, etc, don't care where you live, but they sure as hell care about getting your money no matter where you live.

 

[scavengerspc]

This timeline puts the duo behind the current EV battery leader, China's CATL.

I read a lot lately on them because they are partnered with Ford.
I follow American and Americas partners in overall EV tech very closely.

https://www.autoweek.com/news/a61699950/ford-small-evs-with-chinese-batteries/

 

[MasterAce]

The rest of the world does not need to accommodate the few people who choose to live in rural areas. If you choose to live in a rural area then you accept any compromise that might come with that choice. When my family still had the horse farm, I hated the basically hour drive to goto the store if we needed something and never being able to "go out to eat"

Living in rural areas is over rated. Also, there will never be an EV that replaces a farm truck.

Ebikes are great because most people don't need cars.

Comes down to what you count as ”rural”. All you need is a 15min drive to the shops and no public transport and suddenly a car is a necessity. Most of Finland may count as ”few people” from your point of view, but there’s plenty of us around the world, falling just outside the urban definition.

 

[toooooot]

I am truly excited for the next step in battery longevity tech.
Best wishes to Samsung.

 

[yRaz]

Comes down to what you count as ”rural”. All you need is a 15min drive to the shops and no public transport and suddenly a car is a necessity. Most of Finland may count as ”few people” from your point of view, but there’s plenty of us around the world, falling just outside the urban definition.

I'm talking about being 40-50 freedoms from the a tractor supply. So we're talking somewhere between 85-100km. Our neighbors were roughly a 10 minute drive. I don't think people understand how big the US actually is.

 

[p51d007]

The rest of the world does not need to accommodate the few people who choose to live in rural areas. If you choose to live in a rural area then you accept any compromise that might come with that choice. When my family still had the horse farm, I hated the basically hour drive to goto the store if we needed something and never being able to "go out to eat"
Living in rural areas is over rated. Also, there will never be an EV that replaces a farm truck.

You do realize that MOST of the food & meat consumed, comes from farmers, who for some reason, don't
live IN a city?

 

[kiwigraeme]

The funny thing is for some of the people hating on EVs , solar, wind power

Tech like this is a goodly promotion of freedom

Sure at moment with access to firewood -you have cooking, heat and hot water if you have a source

But batteries will mean complete freedom from grid, able to draw, purify water . Mad Max makes more sense with batteries and renewal power sources than bio-diesel/hydrogen/methane modified engines . With right machines you can bottle oxygen and other gases etc

Running cool stores to keep food etc, easier than making jerky/salted/smoked . Though both good solution

 

[Eldrach]

I honestly see ebikes as the more practical EVs. They're cheap, great for cities and now I'm seeing ones with 40-50miles of all electric range. They need to stop pushing "electric cars" and start pushing electric bikes and mopeds.

Yes, but they are also crap. There are 0 places in my town safe from theft of ebikes (I’d know, as they used a god damn blow torch to steal mine). They need to start making them safer to have by making them harder to steal (ignition key, 8 digit code or the like)

 

[Uncle Al]

I'll believe it when I see it .....

 

[mbk34]

I honestly see ebikes as the more practical EVs. They're cheap, great for cities and now I'm seeing ones with 40-50miles of all electric range. They need to stop pushing "electric cars" and start pushing electric bikes and mopeds.

I believe that electric is the way forward but the issue with ebikes is that they're fairly expensive for what they are and make a great target for thieves when they're left locked up outside. I now use an electric unicycle as it's fairly compact, has a range of nearly 50 miles, a top speed of 40mph and I can walk it straight into supermarkets and coffee shops without anyone batting an eye. The only downsides are that it's illegal in the UK, you certainly can't do a weekly shop with it and it hurts when you fall off

 

[toooooot]

Yes, but they are also crap. There are 0 places in my town safe from theft of ebikes (I’d know, as they used a god damn blow torch to steal mine). They need to start making them safer to have by making them harder to steal (ignition key, 8 digit code or the like)

You are looking in the wrong direction. The real solution is not there.
I remember an interview with a policeman in my local area where he said they would be happy to do things to crack down on theft. They are prevented from doing so. It is the government, and possibly liberal community, that thinks society is better if small crime is not punished.
Which I find almost re***d given the category of people it hurts the most.
It hurts a person who cannot afford another bicycle, camera or laptop, every month.
A glaring example is Cali's theft laws. Heck, they have a well running market for selling things that were exclusively stolen! Many other states have a similar approach regarding this issue.

 

[Dreadcthulhu]

Ebikes are probably fine if you are a single person living in a dense city area that does not get harsh winters, but are not going to work well for anyone with children to haul around, less dense suburban areas (where tons and tons of Americans live), and of course I imagine they would be miserable anywhere that gets snow on the ground for several months of the year.

 

[Eldrach]

You are looking in the wrong direction. The real solution is not there.
I remember an interview with a policeman in my local area where he said they would be happy to do things to crack down on theft. They are prevented from doing so. It is the government, and possibly liberal community, that thinks society is better if small crime is not punished.
Which I find almost re***d given the category of people it hurts the most.
It hurts a person who cannot afford another bicycle, camera or laptop, every month.
A glaring example is Cali's theft laws. Heck, they have a well running market for selling things that were exclusively stolen! Many other states have a similar approach regarding this issue.

We have roaming professionals unfortunately. They come with trucks and a crew - they load up 15-20 bikes in less than 3 min - then they move on to the next town. Always on the move, very hard to catch. They found my biketracker instantly and left it where I parked my bike so I wouldnt even see it was gone.
We have a host of druggies stealing bikes as well - but usually not ebikes, as they dont have a charger and cant afford one

 

[ChrisH1]

Simple mafs: My antique Tesla gets 4.5km per kWh but let's say 5 to make it easy. And say they can get the 1000km range. That makes it a 200kWh battery. Charging that in 9 minutes sounds ambitious, but let's say they mean a 20%-80% charge, or 60% increment, or 120kWh. Let's say it's 10 minutes, so we need 720kW charging current ... average. Highest powered so far is 350kW so we're going to need some new chargers ... probably going to need a top current of 1 megawatt and some serious cooling.