UK tech minister supports use of ChatGPT for homework, compares AI fears to calculator launch

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A hot potato: Since the widespread adoption of ChatGPT, there have been concerns about children using the tool and other AIs to do their schoolwork. But the UK's tech minister recently said that it was fine for schoolkids to use the technology for homework, and even compared fears around the arrival of generative AI to those that followed the launch of calculators.

Peter Kyle, the UK's Secretary of State for Science, Innovation and Technology, doesn't believe in following the lead of other institutions by implementing outright bans or heavy restrictions on the use of AI among students.

Speaking on the BBC's Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg, Kyle was asked if he thought it was okay for a child to use AI to complete their homework. "Actually with supervision and used in the right way, then yes, because ChatGPT and the AI technology that is using language is already being used across the economy."

Kyle added that he remembers having a similar conversation about calculators when they launched. When the devices first became commercially available in the 1960s and 1970s, it was feared that calculators would lead to the erosion of basic math skills, critical thinking, and problem solving, while also enabling students to cheat. Similar concerns have been raised with regards to generative AI.

Calculators were, of course, eventually integrated into education, something that Kyle believes should also happen with AI tools.

"We need to make sure that kids and young people are learning how to use this technology," he said.

The Universities of Oxford and Cambridge, as well as Imperial College London, all prohibit the use of AI tools for assessed work. But Kylie believes it could help those younger students who struggle in traditional teaching environments. He added that the tools could be used to help neurodivergent children overcome barriers.

"There are kids with real talents in outlier talents and using ChatGPT and other AI assistance could really turbo charge and give them a challenge they're not getting in other places," he said.

The New York City Department of Education (NYC DOE) banned the use of ChatGPT in public schools in January 2023, but it reversed its decision a few months later, saying it would focus on integrating AI tools into the educational curriculum

2023 also saw some educators go back to focusing on "ChatGPT-proof" pen-and-paper tests. A computer science professor at St. John's University in New York required students in her introductory course to handwrite their code, with paper exams accounting for a larger portion of the overall grade. The plan doesn't seem to be working well: a report last August found that cheating using ChatGPT in schools had reached endemic levels.

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No.

The point of not using calculators is to exercise the brain and force it to walk through each step of a problem. It establishes fundamentals.

When you have the fundamentals down, then by all means start using a calculator so that more complex problems don't start taking forever.

Same thing with AI. If you already know how to code, using AI to speed up some of the rote stuff is fine.

If you don't know how to code using AI means you'll never really understand how to code or error check or establish those fundamentals. Everything will sort of work as if by magic. Your foundation will be of sand.
 
No.

The point of not using calculators is to exercise the brain and force it to walk through each step of a problem. It establishes fundamentals.

When you have the fundamentals down, then by all means start using a calculator so that more complex problems don't start taking forever.

Same thing with AI. If you already know how to code, using AI to speed up some of the rote stuff is fine.

If you don't know how to code using AI means you'll never really understand how to code or error check or establish those fundamentals. Everything will sort of work as if by magic. Your foundation will be of sand.
To add. Calculators follow a rigorous standard formula to derive the correct answer, AI chat bots right now have no means of ensuring accuracy of answers, meaning kids get the wrong answer and will be too dependent on the bots to think independently to understand why they're wrong.
 
:rolleyes: IMO, this just goes to show that there are quite a few "grown-ups" in the world that have absolutely no clue that AI, in cases like this, is utter crap.

Sure, let's teach kids to rely on a system, as others have said, that may give them an answer that is completely incorrect. That will definitely bring up the IQ scores of children and prepare them for a life of promulgating conspiracy theories. But what the heck, their answers will sound authoritative. :rolleyes:
 
"We need to make sure that kids and young people are learning how to use this technology"

THAT part, is true. Knowing that it exists, how it works, what its limits are, etc. These are valuable things to teach.
This does not mean it can, or should, be used as a crutch to replace all forms of personal effort in formulating answers to questions. That in itself is an important skill. Copy/paste is not.
 
No.

The point of not using calculators is to exercise the brain and force it to walk through each step of a problem. It establishes fundamentals.

When you have the fundamentals down, then by all means start using a calculator so that more complex problems don't start taking forever.

Same thing with AI. If you already know how to code, using AI to speed up some of the rote stuff is fine.

If you don't know how to code using AI means you'll never really understand how to code or error check or establish those fundamentals. Everything will sort of work as if by magic. Your foundation will be of sand.

I've heard of a lot of kids (CS undergrads) using ChatGPT for schoolwork... Like, all of their schoolwork.

I definitely see a potential decline of quality in candidates if they just use ChatGPT to code in school, and then get that rude awakening once they enter the job market. It's just too tempting and convenient. I'm afraid the fundamentals may be weakening due to tools such as this being so open to use.
 
If it were my kid I'd want to be sure

1. They could function fine without AI.
2.They knew the strengths & limitations of AI (which will be a fast-moving target.)
3.They knew how to achieve the best possible results on real work using all tools available.

#3 is what will be most important for the vast majority of their career so education should not skimp on it, just like it should make sure the foundation (#1) was firmly established as well.

Past the foundational stage, I would not look favorably on teachers who were trying to pretend AI didn't exist just so they could cling to the educational models that worked in the past. I would want my young adult thriving in the present and ready to excel in the future.
 
Looks like in-person offline aptitude tests might start making a return to work force applications if llms are relied on too heavily
 
No.

The point of not using calculators is to exercise the brain and force it to walk through each step of a problem. It establishes fundamentals.

When you have the fundamentals down, then by all means start using a calculator so that more complex problems don't start taking forever.

Same thing with AI. If you already know how to code, using AI to speed up some of the rote stuff is fine.

If you don't know how to code using AI means you'll never really understand how to code or error check or establish those fundamentals. Everything will sort of work as if by magic. Your foundation will be of sand.
No wonder Europe is sinking in every possible way.
 
Pandora's Box.

I see many here scrambling to stuff LLM/AI back in the box

Joined by those scrambling to put drugs, misinformation , pron

I love giving put start up business ideas

Don't be silly and miss your chance to become mega rich

Develop a Net Nanny Apt to keep AI off your Kids PCs and devices - doesn't matter if someone can configure an existing product to do that.
The fearful don't know that , rip that IP off , make for millions
Hell probably doesn't even have to work that well- like Net Nanny will stop a horny teen

Some one mentioned Critical Thinking

Kids aren't as stupid as you think
Scammers go after Boomers and older has much easier targets ( and more money )

Kids see so many adverts to scams they get innoculated

Vaccinate your kids by teaching them about AI , pron , misinformation , to look behind the curtains
They already don't trust lying , hypocrites that are boomers anyway - yes we are hypocrites and lack self reflection to some degree
 
I've heard of a lot of kids (CS undergrads) using ChatGPT for schoolwork... Like, all of their schoolwork.

A friend of mine is reporting the same here in Brazil. Students are just copying and pasting, not even proofreading it. When professors make they explain what is written, they simply cannot give anything cohesive.
 
No wonder Europe is sinking in every possible way.
Strangely, Europeans would say the same thing about America. There is a recent article about the destruction of a Chinese malware "PlugX", achieved by collaboration between the FBI and France-based cyber-security company Sekoia.io. It apears that there exists some intelligence on both sides of the Atlantic afterall.
 
Idk about math but I can guarantee that kids using it for writing assignments will miss learning how to put thoughts on paper, digital or physical, does not matter. It takes hard thinking to make decent writing.
It is good for the brain. What is it good for a brain if it never exercises?
 
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