AMD Phenom II X6 1090T BE & Phenom II X6 1055T Review

Holy moly rocky, I missed that as well.were these things binned as 'leaky'?

To Chazz

"On one hand you want AMD to release a new architecture"
Correct. I think Intel are the only ones who dont want them to do this, Intel are just loving AMD's inability to compete. It's pretty clear they need something new Chazz as these things are still effectively based on K8 and that was what 7 years ago.
"on the other hand you want them to release it on a old platform? "
Well it was actually their own plan to do this if you'll remember. They have stated it repeatedly in the past. Also they repeatedly tout the long term viability of their sockets.

I probably should have made it more clear in my first post but im lamenting the seeming lack of "drop in" upgradeablity to the AM3 platform, this platform looks like it wont be supported as well nor as long as AM2+. Clearly these thubans are no legit upgrade for a phenom 2 user. Unless your some sucker who likes to pay $300 for a 20% improvement.

So the question in regards to future upgrades then becomes, will bulldozer be AM3 compatible? If No we have (barring some miraculous shrink to 32nm phenom 2's and then this assumes motherboard manufacturers will offer bios updates, my gigabyte AM3 board doesn't even have a bios update for thuban!) no upgrade path other than the underwhemling thuban and this makes the AM3 platform no better than the Intel ones you deride. If Yes and even if they release some dual channel bulldozers and there is no real technical reson why they couldn't do this (according to various sources around the web), with say support for say ddr3 1866 or 2000 then at least all of us who (perhaps foolishly went AM3) will get a little more longevity out of the platform.
Look AMD are in real trouble here, bulldozer was supposed to be out last year, then it got put off till this year and now its supposed to be second half next year. Its becoming a joke, bulldozer is the duke nukem forever of processors! If I was framing a market on it being held back till 2012, I'd be offering 1.01 to 1!

Anyway for all interested look at this thread :
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=898409
Former AMD engineer Cliff Maier aka "cmaier" is giving them an informative pasting.

I understand your frustration with the potential lack of an upgrade path, but that's just the way it is with processors. Even when a socket is kept, there's no guarantee of compatibility with newer CPU's. Intel for example had the 775 socket on the market for a long time, yet older boards wouldn't support newer CPU's, and I ran into this problem myself.

Without compatibility it the viability of Bulldozer will depend on whether it's compelling enough. I think it's hard to tell at this point whether it will be. It's certainly possible that Intel will continue to win at the high end, but AMD will have the better solution at the low end and mid range. That's a fine way to survive, as AMD is proving in graphics.

I am sticking to my Phenom II X4 965!
Can't believe these cpu's are not distroying the i5 750 wich does not have hyper threading.

This is the first review where AMD is in the last place, Tomsharware and other places AMD was winning against i7 975 EE... Mmm this is very strange... Would Intel hace paid this review??? XD Only a joke but its strange that a quad core no HT can beat a 1090T

C'mon troll you can do better than that.

SYSmark and Photoshop CS4 (Anand)
DivX, Xmpeg and x264 (Anand)
3dsmax 9, Cinebench R10 and POV-Ray (Anand)
WinRAR and 7-Zip (Anand)
Fallout 3, L4D, Crysis Warhead, Batman:AA, Dragons Age:Origins, DoW 2 (Anand)
Adobe Lightroom 2 and TMPGEnc Xpress (Techgage)
ProShow Gold HD / DVD encode (Techgage)
Excel and Sandra CPU computation (Techgage and Neoseeker )
MS Office 2007 Excel Big number crunch and PC Mark Vantage x64(OCC)
HD Tune (OCC)
SuperPi and wPrime (Hardware Canucks)
HyperPi (Tweaktown)
Lightwave 3D and AutoGK (Tweaktown)
LAME 3.97a MT MP3 Encoder, WIndows Media Encoder x64, VirtualDub, Handbrake and 7-Zip (PCPerspective)
Blender -also POV-Ray and Cinebench R10(PCPerspective)
Euler3D, MS Image Composite Engine, HyperPi (PCPerspective)
Sandra Multi-core efficiency (Techgage)

Strange?
Not in the least.
The comparison is between a 7-10 year old architecture with two cores tacked on being compared with a newer architecture that is steadily and surely distancing itself from the performance of the previous generation(s).

BTW: Your "XD only a joke" just sounds like a halfwits rendition of fanboy PR (jk....yeah,right). While the 1055 and 1090 aren't the pinnacle of CPU design, they still offer very good performance and a good upgrade for many, but throwing around ill-advised accusations doesn't help raise AMD's profile in the forum.

There's two errors in the review. One is the Phenom II X4 956, and the i7 750 xD. Anyway, nice processors from AMD . I might consider getting the X4 and unlocking it .

Why do you think they keep pushing it back, its "hey, buldozer this quarter? oh sh*t intel 6 core, lets push it back a year, we need 50% more production out of this cpu."

The Bit-Tech review branded the Crossfire IV as a slow poke on the SATA 6GB tests.
Is that impacting your tests? I have seen results all over the place for this board on SATA and USB.

I think the sweet spot for the X6 is in Adobe CS5 64 bit. You can demo the whole thing right now at Adobe.

An overclocked 1090T/890FX board with MAX ram, SATA 6GB drives and a GTX 285 should give the best bang for the buck with the Mercury Playback Engine in Adobe Premiere.

At least that is what I am hoping for.

How would they compare in virtual PC environments, since hyper-threading should be turned off does the six dedicated cores from AMD out perform the four from Intel if all cores are being utilized?

Why should hyperthreading be turned off? If your going to say parts of the I7 that make it better should be turned off then the X6 cpus should have 2 cores disabled because they also tested quad core cpus.

Okay I am not trying to be rude but when gaming the eye cannot see the difference after 60fps so yes the i7 does perform better you can not see it so how does it help you? It really doesn't. Think about it this way. You are showing off two things and one is doing way better than the other but there is no need for it when what you are trying to do is lowering the efficiency. This is the same thing with graphics and frames per second. Our eye and brain can only percieve 60fps so when people say they can get 300fps out of their card and CPU I just say so what. I get 120 fps and I know it does not matter to much when you go above the 60 mark. I am just throwing that out there to all the guys dissing the CPU because of the fps rating. It is a great CPU that just needs to be tinkered with and I am also just sayin 200 compared to 1000 for a CPU is quite a bit of difference. AMD keep it going!

P.S. Yes I personally own a Intel processor but I am switching over to an AMD for better support under linux.

A. Those were just sample games. So newer more demanding games will run better on the more powerful CPU.

B. You are completely wrong with your initial statement anyway. Well perhaps not completely wrong. Yes our eyes cannot tell the difference once going over 60fps but we can certainly feel the difference. Any experienced gamer will tell you that there is a massive difference in the way fast paced first person shooters feel when running at 60fps to say 100fps.

Things r pretty diff actually..Like current gen games uses only 4 cores..May b wen games start usin 6 cores,Phenom X6 might take d lead i guess....

Did the author plagiarize this: http://www.legionhardware.com/articles_pages/amd_phenom_ii_x6_1090t_be_1055t,8.html or vice versa?

Its the same Steve.

He always copies my work.

I hear Rambus' legal team are between cases at the moment......ka-ching!