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Exactly why I haven't upgraded mine either. We appear to be in the same boat :cool:
I'm sure I read Yamaha had the full 48Gbps versions coming out in 2023.
I certainly hope so.

Even though I bet the "xA" versions have not sold as well as they would have due to the pandemic, it is about time for a refresh. At least according to the Yamaha web site, the Ax? versions have a substantially more powerful processor and should be even easier to refresh than the previous generations - from an engineering standpoint.
 
If we are talking price/performance, nothing beats Microcenters 12700k and Asus Z board combo deal for $349

KILLER value!
Wow, that IS a great deal! You have a good eye! (y) (Y)

There's more than just that though. I took a look at them and the one that would catch my eye the most (if I didn't HATE Intel that is :laughing: ) is the i5-12600K with the ASUS Z690-PLUS TUF Gaming WiFi DDR5 $297. It's because I'm primarily a gamer and the i5-12600K and i7-12700K are essentially tied when it comes to gaming. The $56 savings would go towards 16GB of Crucial DDR5 for $75.

This would make it easier to upgrade to either AM5 or LGA 1851 but you won't even have to do that because 13th-gen CPUs would still be kicking around by the time anyone would want to upgrade. They'd also probably be available for significantly less money than they are now. Based on the price of AM5 motherboards, I'm going to hazard a guess and say that LGA 1851 motherboards won't be cheap when they come out so having the DDR5 beforehand would help make the transition a bit less painful no matter which path you choose. ;)
 
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I certainly hope so.

Even though I bet the "xA" versions have not sold as well as they would have due to the pandemic, it is about time for a refresh. At least according to the Yamaha web site, the Ax? versions have a substantially more powerful processor and should be even easier to refresh than the previous generations - from an engineering standpoint.
You guys are WAY above me in that regard. Compared to what you probably have, I can guarantee you that my setup is absolute garbage! I do think that for someone who isn't a huge audiophile, I did find a pretty amazing value when I bought this a few years back. I wasn't even in the market for a HT system but I couldn't say no to this and the store only had one left:
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Now I know what you're thinking (Craig is crap!) and I don't blame you for saying that but I got it like 5 years ago on clearance for only $40CAD ($30USD) and it still works well to this day. I have a really big apartment, but I think that 7.1 might be a bit overkill for my living room. Now, if I had a house with a finished basement and a dedicated media parlour down there, I'm pretty sure that I'd have 7.2 by now! :laughing:

So go ahead and laugh at it (I won't take offence) because I laugh at it myself! :laughing:
 
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You guys are WAY above me in that regard. Compared to what you probably have, I can guarantee you that my setup is absolute garbage! I do think that for someone who isn't a huge audiophile, I did find a pretty amazing value when I bought this a few years back. I wasn't even in the market for a HT system but I couldn't say no to this and the store only had one left:
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Now I know what you're thinking (Craig is crap!) and I don't blame you for saying that but I got it like 5 years ago on clearance for only $40CAD ($30USD) and it still works well to this day. I have a really big apartment, but I think that 7.1 might be a bit overkill for my living room. Now, if I had a house with a finished basement and a dedicated media parlour down there, I'm pretty sure that I'd have 7.2 by now! :laughing:

So go ahead and laugh at it (I won't take offence) because I laugh at it myself! :laughing:
Well, for $40 CAD, I'd say you got a decent deal. It could have been worse - you could have paid $2000 US for something almost identical from Bose. 🤣

I am fortunate enough to have a home (well, its my wife's), but I don't have 7.1. I don't have the WAF for that. :laughing: I swear that I should have recorded her agreeing to letting me mount some speakers from the ceiling a couple of years ago - because when I talked to her about it not too long ago, she said she never said that. :( However, with any of the Yamaha AVRs, you really don't need to have all those speakers as the audio processors will create a "virtual" surround field that is relatively decent. Obviously, though, having all the speakers would be better. I won't "brag" about what I have, however, they are from a Canadian company - Paradigm. They make some very fine speakers that are well-regarded in the industry and are often professionally reviewed as "sounding as good as speakers that cost substantially more". If you were to ever want to upgrade, I could not recommend them enough - even their budget lines.
 
Well, for $40 CAD, I'd say you got a decent deal. It could have been worse - you could have paid $2000 US for something almost identical from Bose. 🤣

I am fortunate enough to have a home (well, its my wife's), but I don't have 7.1. I don't have the WAF for that. :laughing: I swear that I should have recorded her agreeing to letting me mount some speakers from the ceiling a couple of years ago - because when I talked to her about it not too long ago, she said she never said that. :(
Well let's be honest here, if she never agreed to it, there's no way that it would've been done. She knows damn well that she agreed but women love to gaslight more than the worst internet trolls on the planet. :laughing:
However, with any of the Yamaha AVRs, you really don't need to have all those speakers as the audio processors will create a "virtual" surround field that is relatively decent. Obviously, though, having all the speakers would be better. I won't "brag" about what I have, however, they are from a Canadian company - Paradigm. They make some very fine speakers that are well-regarded in the industry and are often professionally reviewed as "sounding as good as speakers that cost substantially more". If you were to ever want to upgrade, I could not recommend them enough - even their budget lines.
Thanks for that! From what I can see, the Paradigm Cinema 100 CT 5.1 home theatre package will cost me about $900 CAD. I think that $900 is pretty steep, but I don't mind paying more for a product that was designed and made in Canada. Until now, I thought that the only Canadian speaker company was Totem Acoustics. The problem with Totem is that their stuff is all super-high-end. Buying Totem speakers for my living room would be like buying a Maserati MC20 to drive five minutes to work. :laughing:

When I think about it, the fact that Radeon GPUs are designed in Canada is a pretty nice bonus when it comes to not wanting to support nVidia. :D
 
Well let's be honest here, if she never agreed to it, there's no way that it would've been done. She knows damn well that she agreed but women love to gaslight more than the worst internet trolls on the planet. :laughing:
Really, my wife is just forgetful. She leaves herself reminders, and I have to leave reminders for her too. She isn't the stereotypical woman. She eschews makeup - a point which I absolutely love (I've seen women with extraordinary looks that use makeup, and I've wanted to say "hey, you really do not need that makeup because you're beautiful without it," but, of course, I did not), and I could go on with my wife's other non-stereotypical traits, too. When I went for my speaker upgrade a few years ago, my wife was able to hear the improvement that the new speakers brought to the sound system.
Thanks for that! From what I can see, the Paradigm Cinema 100 CT 5.1 home theatre package will cost me about $900 CAD. I think that $900 is pretty steep, but I don't mind paying more for a product that was designed and made in Canada.
Its even better than that. Paradigm knows their science, too. For the longest time, they used an acoustic lab in Canada's NRC to facilitate their design process. I think they built their own lab and use that now, IIRC. IMO, money spent on Paradigm speakers is money well spent.
Until now, I thought that the only Canadian speaker company was Totem Acoustics. The problem with Totem is that their stuff is all super-high-end. Buying Totem speakers for my living room would be like buying a Maserati MC20 to drive five minutes to work. :laughing:
I had a look at Totem's web site. All those beautiful women splashed against their products makes me cringe and think that they fall into the category of yet another company that uses marketing bling to make their products appealing (and justify their cost) to their target audience - like those ads on TV for the latest phones - which I find hilarious. (Not, of course, that the women on Totem's web site are not beautiful.) Honestly, I've never heard their speakers, but given the one dealer in my area that carries them also has a web site that seems to revolve around marketing bling, I'm not sure I would want to hear them. The ultimate test for speakers, IMO, is hearing them, and I would not be able to do a side-by-side comparison of Totem speakers with Paradigm. In my brief look on the Totem web site, I failed to see anything about the science behind their designs (it might be there, but I did not see it in my admittedly brief look).
When I think about it, the fact that Radeon GPUs are designed in Canada is a pretty nice bonus when it comes to not wanting to support nVidia. :D
That's pretty cool. I did not know that Radeon GPUs were designed in Canada.

Not only are Paradigm's speakers designed in Canada, they are also made in Canada, too. Apparently, Paradigm use to off-shore the manufacturing of their speakers, but several years ago, brought the manufacturing back to Canada - which, IMO, was a smart move.
 
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Really, my wife is just forgetful. She leaves herself reminders, and I have to leave reminders for her too. She isn't the stereotypical woman. She eschews makeup - a point which I absolutely love (I've seen women with extraordinary looks that use makeup, and I've wanted to say "hey, you really do not need that makeup because you're beautiful without it," but, of course, I did not),
Be careful with that because some women look incredible with makeup on... but if you take it off... :scream::scream::scream:
and I could go on with my wife's other non-stereotypical traits, too. When I went for my speaker upgrade a few years ago, my wife was able to hear the improvement that the new speakers brought to the sound system.
Ah, I wasn't being serious. I know that you're a smart guy who would only choose a great woman to be his wife. ;)
Its even better than that. Paradigm knows their science, too. For the longest time, they used an acoustic lab in Canada's NRC to facilitate their design process. I think they built their own lab and use that now, IIRC. IMO, money spent on Paradigm speakers is money well spent.
I believe you. I was sold as soon as I saw their website. They will be my next HT kit... that is, if my Craig set ever dies. :D
I had a look at Totem's web site. All those beautiful women splashed against their products makes me cringe and think that they fall into the category of yet another company that uses marketing bling to make their products appealing (and justify their cost) to their target audience - like those ads on TV for the latest phones - which I find hilarious. (Not, of course, that the women on Totem's web site are not beautiful.)
Believe it or not, Totem doesn't advertise. I didn't know they existed until about ten years ago when Art Mandelson of Bay Bloor Radio was talking about them during one of his radio ads in Toronto. I was like "Really? There are Canadian speakers?" but when I saw how much they cost I was like "I guess that they'll never be MY Canadian speakers!". :laughing:
Honestly, I've never heard their speakers, but given the one dealer in my area that carries them also has a web site that seems to revolve around marketing bling, I'm not sure I would want to hear them. The ultimate test for speakers, IMO, is hearing them, and I would not be able to do a side-by-side comparison of Totem speakers with Paradigm. In my brief look on the Totem web site, I failed to see anything about the science behind their designs (it might be there, but I did not see it in my admittedly brief look).
Well, I can assure you that Totem Acoustics is absolutely top-notch. You can't be in business for as long as they have with what their products cost unless they're fantastic. I've never heard them either but I do know that many audiophiles around the world swear by them. Check out any audiophile forum and you'll see people talking about Totem.
That's pretty cool. I did not know that Radeon GPUs were designed in Canada.
Yup. ATi Technologies is still the legal name of the company and it's located in Markham, Ontario. This is why I say ATi when talking about the design and production of Radeons and I say AMD when talking about marketing, sales and/or pricing. Internally, AMD has always refered to the Radeon Graphics Division as ATi.

Here are the location listings from AMD's own website. You'll notice that the two Canadian locations are called "ATI Technologies ULC".
Not only are Paradigm's speakers designed in Canada, they are also made in Canada, too. Apparently, Paradigm use to off-shore the manufacturing of their speakers, but several years ago, brought the manufacturing back to Canada - which, IMO, was a smart move.
Absolutely it was. When your company's reputation revolves around performance and quality, you can't take chances with most Asian countries' level of quality control. One bad batch could erase all of the savings that you received by having stuff made there. When people are looking to buy high-end audio equipment, the only Asian countries that they wouldn't mind seeing on them are Japan and Korea so if your product says "Made in China" or "Made in Indonesia", that tends to be a deal-breaker. When products are made in the West, it is generally assumed that they'll be of exceptional quality (with the exception of automobiles of course). :laughing:
 
I’ve got about 1 week left before I can return the 7900X I recently bought for $440. To keep things cool and power consumption down, I run it at 65w ECO mode. I’ve seen many graphs showing how the 7900 w/ PBO on pretty much matches the 7900X in productivity performance. But how about the reverse?? Will a 7900X running 65w ECO mode perform as well as a stock 7900?


Thanks!
 
On Feb 6th I got the 7600, gigabyte b650m gaming A AX Corsair ddr5 5200 ram and Samsung 980 Evo 1TB nvme. Upgraded from i5 4440, 4gb DDR3 and 1 SSD after 9 years. Absolutely loving the upgrade.
 
I’ve got about 1 week left before I can return the 7900X I recently bought for $440. To keep things cool and power consumption down, I run it at 65w ECO mode. I’ve seen many graphs showing how the 7900 w/ PBO on pretty much matches the 7900X in productivity performance. But how about the reverse?? Will a 7900X running 65w ECO mode perform as well as a stock 7900?


Thanks!
Even if it does, it costs more and doesn't come with a cooler. If you're happy with the performance of the R9-7900, I'd just stick with that. I use the Wraith Prism myself and it does the job just fine for me.
 
The 7900 is amazing and performs very well on MSFS which I enjoy playing a lot. I’m loving the performance of Ryzen on new games but am excited to see Intel come back into play with this generation.
 
As someone who pays the most money in the country per KWh, I want to know this too. At this point my hope is to get one of the X3D models and run it in eco 65W mode, just to save on my electric bill.

"As someone who pays the most money in the country per KWh" <--- oh man, where is this at??? sounds expensive!!!
 
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