i tried the bios thing and know im running on th e latest beta bios. i talked with the tch guy at kinsgton and he said the the ram was not of the same series so he told me to send back the ram (both sticks) and the sticks came back and i checked the numbers they were both the same series. BUT im still gettin the same problem. i tried doing one thing that i totally and disregarded and that was to put the 2 sticks in singla channel mode that is one in slot 1 and the other in slot 4. ie not dual channel mode. however that didint help me.i checked the mobo for the bulging capacitors but no luck there either. all my games crashed again as usuall but this time i havent gotten any new minidump files. wierd..... any way if anyone as any updates it is much appreciated, thx again.