Core i5-13400 vs. Ryzen 7 5700X: CPU & GPU Scaling Benchmark

Intel branding is not as strong as it once was. I might be wrong but lately it's been AMD that was gaining market share in spite of having CPUs that don't have an advantage over Intel except maybe in efficiency. Ryzen was a blessing from the skies.
I agree. Each of their "new products" is Intel hubris in that they, Intel, that is, seems to believe that it will sell just because it has "Intel" on it. Really, that was the point of my post. As I see it, they are doing nothing new. They are doing the same things that they have been for the past, what, 10+ years? Even though AMD is literally giving them a run for their money, they still seem to believe that they can continue to succeed in the market place by doing the same things over and over and over.
 
I have had no problem admitting my limited knowledge tech wise over the years, but I don't understand why everyone tests the current gen Intel CPUs against the last gen 5700X.
I was thinking that myself, however, its probably because of the poor sales of the latest gen AMD procs (due to being more expensive than the 5XXX series cpus).

Personally, when I upgrade, I'm going with the latest gen parts. I think, however, we already know that the latest gen AMD cpus perform better than the 5XXX series. So I think it might be appropriate (and safe) to extrapolate the benchmarks of the 5XXX series in this test to the 7XXX series.
 
I was thinking that myself, however, its probably because of the poor sales of the latest gen AMD procs (due to being more expensive than the 5XXX series cpus).

Personally, when I upgrade, I'm going with the latest gen parts. I think, however, we already know that the latest gen AMD cpus perform better than the 5XXX series. So I think it might be appropriate (and safe) to extrapolate the benchmarks of the 5XXX series in this test to the 7XXX series.
It's my understanding that AMD is still producing 5000 series chips along side the 7000 series chips. Now, from my perspective, I see even midranged chips being able to max out games in an FPS range that is basically meaningless. To me, the jump from 60FPS to 120/144 is instantly apparent. Anything beyond that just seems pointless. We see these benchmarks "this CPU gets 300 FPS, but the other one gets 320". That means absolutely nothing to me. You can put a 144hz monitor next to a 240hz monitor and I can't tell the difference. When I'm gaming I don't start to notice any difference in my experience until I start to drop below 80-90fps.

So lets take what I just said and apply it to this chart. I believe AMD notices that people would rather save $50 by buying a a 5700 over a 13400 and apply that to buying a GPU. AMD continues to sell product, gain market share, be profitable and make happy customers. The 7000 series is there for people need it for productivity purposes with the lower-end CPUs being just "fill".

I don't think Intel is ignorant of this either. The 12000 series are still a solid line of products. While Intel isn't producing the 12000 series anymore, they do have a lot of "new old stock" sitting on retailer shelves

Frankly, you can pair any lowend CPU with a decent GPU and have a fantastic gaming experience these days. We are entering into a recession and I don't see many people buying the 13 series or 7000 series unless they "have to have the newest thing".

And these products are aimed at the budget segment where people are going to be balancing cost very carefully. You should always be aware of your budget but these products are in a very budget conscious market segment. They essentially were all limited by 6650XT which is a very fair pairing for this matchup. To anyone in this budget segment I'd tell them get a 5600 over a 13400 and spend the difference trying to upgrade to a 6700xt. I doubt anyone in this budget segment will be running anything higher than 144hz refresh rate. A 6700xt plus any of these CPUs would easily keep that monitor happy at 1080p. Heck, the 6650xt did a fantastic staying above my 80FPS preference in these benchmarks. I might even tell people pocket the money and spend it on a few cases of mountain dew to drink while celebrating your new gaming PC.

And to wrap that whole post up, I honestly want to meet the person who has a 4090 running next to a ryzen 5600
 
Both AM4 and LGA1700 are "dead" from a upgrade path POW. Investing into them now to keep for 2-3 years make no sense to get a slow CPU and hope to get a deal for a better one in future.
The money difference from 5700x to 5800x3D is $120.
If I knew 6 months ago that the x3D part would reach this price I wouldn't get the 5600x at $180. But I took the bite and now have to live with it.
 
It's my understanding that AMD is still producing 5000 series chips along side the 7000 series chips. Now, from my perspective, I see even midranged chips being able to max out games in an FPS range that is basically meaningless. To me, the jump from 60FPS to 120/144 is instantly apparent. Anything beyond that just seems pointless. We see these benchmarks "this CPU gets 300 FPS, but the other one gets 320". That means absolutely nothing to me. You can put a 144hz monitor next to a 240hz monitor and I can't tell the difference. When I'm gaming I don't start to notice any difference in my experience until I start to drop below 80-90fps.

So lets take what I just said and apply it to this chart. I believe AMD notices that people would rather save $50 by buying a a 5700 over a 13400 and apply that to buying a GPU. AMD continues to sell product, gain market share, be profitable and make happy customers. The 7000 series is there for people need it for productivity purposes with the lower-end CPUs being just "fill".

I don't think Intel is ignorant of this either. The 12000 series are still a solid line of products. While Intel isn't producing the 12000 series anymore, they do have a lot of "new old stock" sitting on retailer shelves

Frankly, you can pair any lowend CPU with a decent GPU and have a fantastic gaming experience these days. We are entering into a recession and I don't see many people buying the 13 series or 7000 series unless they "have to have the newest thing".

And these products are aimed at the budget segment where people are going to be balancing cost very carefully. You should always be aware of your budget but these products are in a very budget conscious market segment. They essentially were all limited by 6650XT which is a very fair pairing for this matchup. To anyone in this budget segment I'd tell them get a 5600 over a 13400 and spend the difference trying to upgrade to a 6700xt. I doubt anyone in this budget segment will be running anything higher than 144hz refresh rate. A 6700xt plus any of these CPUs would easily keep that monitor happy at 1080p. Heck, the 6650xt did a fantastic staying above my 80FPS preference in these benchmarks. I might even tell people pocket the money and spend it on a few cases of mountain dew to drink while celebrating your new gaming PC.

And to wrap that whole post up, I honestly want to meet the person who has a 4090 running next to a ryzen 5600
FWIW - I get your viewpoint. However, not everyone who reads this site has a primary interest in gaming, or only games with their computers. We do other things.

And, like @takaozo said, AM4 is, for all intents and purposes, a dead platform. From that standpoint, it does not matter that AMD is still producing AM4 parts. I imagine that the fact that they are still producing AM4 parts was unplanned and/or, in part, due to their "unexpectedly low AM5 sales." If AM5 were selling better, I bet AM4 production would be minimal, if any, at this point.

And also, not all of us want to save $50 on a part that we can put towards a GPU when the entire platform will be outdated in a few years necessitating an outlay of much more than $50 to upgrade that system for whatever the reason might be.

I built my wife an AM4 system starting out with a 3800X. She's not a gamer. She mostly uses it for very large xcel spreadsheets. You could argue that the system is over-powered for what she does, but she love's its speed. It cold-boots Windows 10 in 4-second - not using "fast boot." Her previous system was Phenom II X6 based. Shortly after the 5800X came out, I upgraded her system to that, and she's even more happy with it. However, there is literally no upgrade path for that system at this point - except maybe to a higher core count CPU.

As I said above, I will not buy into AM4 for other system builds I have planned in the near future. I probably would not go with Intel at this point due to a history of lack of upgrade possibilities. My last "power" system was Sandy Bridge X proc based, that I was then able to put in an Ivy Bridge X Xeon, and it was more than capable enough for what I wanted, however, the Ivy Bridge part was as far as I was able to go with that build.

So, for someone like me, and other TS members - I suspect, the more interesting review would have been the article's Intel proc against AM5 parts.

In some respects, I am a value based buyer, not a money is no object buyer, however, I will not buy into what is an essentially dead platform to save $XX on a platform that I may have to toss away in a few years and spend far more than I saved on the outdated platform.

Perhaps another approach might have been to mix in the AM5 parts into the review. But then again, I am aware that I represent a minority of the TS readership.
 
Both AM4 and LGA1700 are "dead" from a upgrade path POW. Investing into them now to keep for 2-3 years make no sense to get a slow CPU and hope to get a deal for a better one in future.
The money difference from 5700x to 5800x3D is $120.
If I knew 6 months ago that the x3D part would reach this price I wouldn't get the 5600x at $180. But I took the bite and now have to live with it.
From a CPU perspective, ever mainstream game is going the CPU capabilities of the consoles. You can buy an AM4 part now for gaming and not have to worry about upgrading it until the next console release cycle. While we are certainly at the "end of life" for practically buying AM4 parts they certainly still do have a lot of life left in them. I see the 5600 as easily having 5 years left in it at its $140 price point.

Many of us on here are enthusiasts or lucky enough to have big pockets but I remember what it was like gaming on my 754 Sempron 2800 back in the FX-60 days. I also believe I paid $130 for that Sempron all those years ago.

My goto recommendation for anyone building a new PC right now is 13600kf with a 6700xt using DDR4. I'm going AM5 but objectively, 13 series is the way to go right now. However, I don't think I'd have a problem recommending a 5600 and a 6650xt to someone if that's what their budget allowed for.

And we also have to consider, we are already significantly into the 13 series life cycle. I can see a 5600 hold its own against a 13400 in 5 years time. If productivity is an issue then that whole thing goes out the window, but this article was about gaming more than it was about productivity and I like to stay away from "but what if...". In gaming, when paired with a suitable graphics card, it is very capable of high refresh gaming.
 
Its too bad Intel doesn't actually care about anything other than making profits. Otherwise, we might see better than rebranded last generation parts that pretend to be the next best thing and Intel expecting that they will get people to pay more money for them.

Intel is not wrong. People will pay more because "Intel."
Kind of like Nvidia.
Real gamers use Intel and Nvidia, AMD cpus and gpus is for poor gamers, at least thats what the interwebs say.

:)
 
Both are kind of equal more or less. But the game changes when you overclock the 5700X. Also 5700X consumes less power and is cheaper.Not to mention the am4 upgradability
 
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