Crossfire VS Sli Questions

Then that begets this question, "why the f*** are you listening to that a**hole in the first place"?

I dunno. Funny how I used to think the inquirer was ati biased then I heard today charlie used to write articles there. SURPRISE SURPRISE!

Ol' Chas never lets a good story get in the way of his personal bias it's true. Since he's set himself up as some kind of "Deep Throat" (the W.Mark Felt variety, not Linda Lovelace...tho you never can tell) for channeling disgruntled tech employees his insider knowledge is likely close to the mark-albeit with as much negativity incorporated as possible. If it weren't for his fawning attitude towards Intel, the non-reporting of anything negative regarding AMD, and outright hatred for nVidia (the CEO in particular) then he would mostly be a go-to source for the mainstream tech followers.
Strangely enough, he seems to revel in the spin game as much as he derides nVidia for the same tactics, likewise rails against Jen Hsun Huang's cult of personality while carefully cultivating his own....go figure.

All that aside, I'd wait until the card launches and the benchmarks/performance level are known before making any comparisons between the GTX470 and HD5870. My own personal gut feeling is that the HD5870 will edge the nVidia card overall due to the overclocking headroom (clocks and power draw) and the fact that AMD can (and will) drop pricing on their cards if the nVidia cards perform well, since the HD5xxx series have a lower production cost. If this comes to pass, then the realigned AMD price structure will most likely make Crossfired HD 5850's the price/performance leader in the enthusiast sector.

BTW: How does a ten year old come up with $200 ? Is he the local grade school drug kingpin ?

In hindsight maybe my first iteration of this quote was inappropriate. You should probably start hanging out at this man's website full time. It doesn't really seem that you know anything about tech, but rather just read some other BS someplace, then come here and phrase your questions in the form of an argument.

The rest of us take time to read reviews and do our best to make sense of the information, following that up with a decision and a course of action, then we take responsibility for those actions.

Anyway, most of these threads in this vein are space talk, generated by juvenile delinquents suffering from ADHD accompanied by delusions of grandeur. It would be way too much trouble to read a couple dozen pages of CPU or GPU reviews, so you come here and expect the Cliff's Notes. Or rather you expect the "Cliff's Notes" to be justified to you.

Myself, I've had all the, "all capital letters" posts I'm willing to tolerate from you, which is a grand total of one.

And BTW, nobody here, (to the best of my knowledge), is named "Cliff".

I used to be in electronics sales, and this sort of nonsense was a daily occurrence, What I found was this, the more stupid questions that were asked, the less money the person had to spend. So, I'm sure this will cause you some indignation, and what you should do about it is this, go waste Charlie Demerjiam's time asking him which graphics card you should buy. Because the bottom line is, I could care less.

Was that too harsh, DBZee....?

Seems very appropriate conclusion for all the inappropriately phrased questions.

Needs more vitriol.....but nice use of litotes.


With the 50 post cap limit for Techspot's competition there's a wonderful selection of inanity to be had. Nice to see someone sorting the wheat from the chaff....need to buy a bigger scythe.

I did a lot of checking around before i went the xfire route and i am glad i did,one of the things i heard was that when one of the cards break you have a spare one till you get the replacement.

The one thing i don't understand is why you say you don't want AMD because you are building gaming PC,according to the specs of the pc you want to build to could build a top spec AMD rig that would be perfect for gaming.
People need to stop thinking that they need 250fps for gaming,the human eye can only see about 60fps.
I would think the optimum range would be about 80fps,which even my cheapish pc can do.

They think they need it for the same reasons for which (in some countries) people want to have loudest horns on their vehicles

Don't forget with a tune

lol i like this. even when some ppl got 250fps they dont even have the monitor that supports it.. majority of average monitor still on 60 and 75fps. not sure bout high-end one though.

What about ATI drivers? I've heard nvidia has much better driver support numerous times on other forums. Is this true?

ATI drivers have improved alot over the years,haven't had a card break once with ati drivers.

Ok because driver support was the only reason I was hesitant about ATI. Also why do ati cards like the HD 5870 have like 1600 stream processors and the gtx 295 only has 480 but the gtx 295 is faster. Why are nvidia SPs faster than ATI ones?

You tell us.....

Of course the 295 will be faster than the 5870,that's like comparing a single card set-up to a xfire\sli set-up.

Yah but I didn't want to compareit to the gtx 285 because the 285 already gets beaten by the 5850.

Wow.. If you don't have something to add to this topic feel free to leave nobodys stopping you.

I have no idea where you checked that figure, either that or you're getting seriously ripped off by your FX broker lol. CAD is almost at parity with USD at the moment and it hasn't been close to 1.39 for the last 5 years. I should know, it's my day job

Regarding the ATI drivers, they have improved greatly over the last few years, I haven't had a single issue with my card since I got it a couple of years ago. They have a monthly update cycle which sometimes bring welcome performance gains.

Saw it on my friends windows sidebar gadget. Maybe I'll tell him to delete it ^^. My only concern is because nvidia holds most of the market they licence code to companies. Which means they can work on drivers before the game comes out. Then at launch nvidia has drivers while ATI has to scramble and get a release out.

Logical conclusion follows:

GTX 295 is faster because it has fewer processors but they are clocked much higher since they are clocked independently of the core.

shader count between ATI and nvidia are not comparable in a 1 to 1 count. the architecture is completely different and they function differently. if you want to compare shader count as a an approximate performance standard between cards. an nvidia 'shader' is roughly 4 ATI shaders.