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  1. Now that Demonoid is down, record company profits should spike at least a little huh? If they were all down the artists and their producers would be rolling in dough right?

    My guess is it won't make a difference one way or the other. People who really like something will want the physical media and buy it regardless.

    I suspect people use torrents as they would hearing an album at their friend house, except now their friend's house encompasses the entire world, thanks to the Internet.

    Torrenting is really a marvelous marketing tool. It's not logical to go after folks who choose that method to discover their music. But I suppose it's not about logic.

    It's greed. It's jobs. Fighting "piracy?" pays peoples bill, and blinds them.

    I've never really thought much about Anonymous, and if I had it might not have been very favorable, but... go get'em Anonymous. If I had the expertise I'd help. Instead, I'll do what I can, boycott.
  2. The systematic destruction of internet freedoms. They couldn't take down the IPS's in court, so they now have to do it the hard way and take down every file sharing company one by one.
  3. You might argue that it is all about the money, making money for what you have done. But, what happens when these things (songs, movies, games, artwork(s) ) slip into the past? We forget about the timeless classics and as we forget, they become unavailable. What is more permanent: your masterpiece or the money you made?
  4. Demonoid had legal files the same as it did illegal ones. Just like Megaupload. But it didn't evn host it. Do you know how Demonoid works? I didn't think so. Please close your mouth. Thank you.
  5. When it comes to the music industry, artists can be broken down into 2 categories. Those that are successful (those who 'made it'), and those that are not successful (those who haven't yet 'made it'). For the first category, they are already making huge amounts of money through tours and in store sales. To ban piracy in order for them to make even more money, this does not seem like a good argument to me. For the second category, I think that they actually benefit more from piracy, in that it creates exposure for many unknown artists. People will probably not buy your music if you are an unknown artist. However, they might download it for free if given the chance.

    More generally, no where is it written that we must pay for everything we get (as far as I know the constitution says nothing on this). I pay when I must or when I feel I should, but if I feel I should not pay (for music) and I have the ability not to (through torrents) then I will exercise that ability. I do not think I am acting amorally, as I am merely acting in self-interest, just like the companies who are trying to make it so that I must pay THEM for music.
  6. LNCPapa TS Special Forces Posts: 3,948   +120

    You should let me rob you. I'll tell everyone you're a nice guy if you do.
     
  7. Tygerstrike TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 759   +71

    @ Above guest
    It doesnt matter that the constution doesnt say you have to pay for anything. Despite that, It doesnt matter if you feel you should have to pay for something. What you are doing if you pirate....is stealing. Period. Plain and simple. I would hope you were raised better then that. Just because you dont agree, doesnt give you the right to steal. If you live in a country that has to follow the copyright laws, then because you are a citizen you have to follow those Laws. No amout of justification is going to comvince anyone that stealing is right.
  8. except the old quote "information wants to be" I guess.. but yeah, still illegal.
  9. Atwas911 Newcomer, in training

    Are you really that ignorant? There is NOTHING illegal about DEMONOID. Demonoid did not host any files, it did not share any files other than torrents. Torrents ARE NOT the songs/movies/ or other items that are ILLEGAL to share.

    You seem to love the laws created by crooked politicians. Tell me.. When they write laws that make it legal for them to kick in your front door, rape your wife, and murder your children.. Will you have them all dressed for the occasion and waiting at the door?

    Use your mind. Irrational faith in Government is just as disturbing as irrational faith in religion.
  10. Atwas911 Newcomer, in training

    you deserve everything your government is soon to do to you..
  11. Tygerstrike TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 759   +71

    @Atwas
    First I think youre oversimplifying the situation. Second, it doesnt matter if the politicians are crooked or not. It a Law. I may not agree with it, but as a citizen I have the duty of following the Laws of my country. The Government and Law are two entirly different sections.
    Ok so Demoniod didnt host the files directly, they did however point you to ppl who did. That makes them as culpable as the person who downloaded the pirated material. How you can sit there and bash someone for doing whats right is beyond me.
    You do not have to agree with the actions taken, thats freedom of speech. However if you plan to use the freedom of speech, you have to use everything that goes with it. You cant pick and choose what Laws to follow.
    Also I think your overdramatizing the whole "Family death Law". The shut down of a site vs. the death of your family goes far and beyond anyone sense of credibility. One is the death of your family, the other is the shutdown of a website.
    Really?!? Are you that butthurt that they shutdown your favorite website??
  12. Talk about riding on the long **** of the law.It seems to me that you're saying whatever law has/is initiated, it automatically makes it right. Maybe it should occur to you that some people don't care about petty laws made by corrupted officials.
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    Piracy isn't stealing. No official possession is stolen just copied. Piracy is really only wrong if one gets a profit gain from it. There is no loss, even though the RIAA/MIAA blows the loss of revenue out of proportion. 1 download = 1 sales loss is how the put it. Never knowing that a person may just be downloading[for example] to see if said download is an good, and if so one might purchase what they download. They put it like that for ignorant and uninformed people such as yourself. If such information about piracy was true how come its seems to be only affecting American life? China, king of cheap knock-offs and piracy. Even when their hackers are stealing America's corporate secrets, and Congress is doing nothing to stop them. The US has yet to really do anything about it? Why? Because currently America is China's little ***** and it's legal to pirate. So pirating isn't pirating isn't entirely ethically wrong like you would think. China steadily starts to become more sophisticated economy by making their own products.
  13. *So pirating isn't entirely ethnically wrong
  14. Doctor John TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 247   +15

    This is total bosh. Of course helping yourself to a free instance of something which rightly has a price is stealing, just as surely as shoplifting or mugging! (or do you subscribe to that as well?)
    As to the assertion that it is only America's (USA?) problem, not so, certainly an issue in Europe & Australasia, I can't speak for the rest of the world.
  15. No it isn't theft removes the original, piracy doesn't. It makes a copy of it. I basically already said that in my last comment/ (I'm pretty sure you didn't read before you replied.)

    I never heard of shoplifting or mugging incident in which a person exactly copies whatever possession is being "taken" from them. For example I cannot copy a hungryman dinner or a stove. So how is that relevant?

    USA sure has made it more of an issue for Europe and Australia with US's extraditions. They don't call the police state for nothing.
  16. I also like how small minded that statement of yours was.

    How is it do you know that people might pirate just to test something out? Some video games don't have demos and there are people who will buy if the game is good. Software trails that convert most are 50% and don't convert right anyways. So it's hard to tell it's it's any good at all. But if it's any good you bet I would buy it. Because that's what kind of "pirate" I am.
  17. Doctor John TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 247   +15

    If YOU had read MY comment, you would not have seen the word "theft" anywhere!
    Taking a free copy is morally and legally wrong, and you are clearly of limited moral and social intelligence if you think otherwise.
  18. 1. Stealing and theft are both synonyms . No need to flip out.
    2. Really depends on the laws where you are and your stance on the issue. Not everyone has to think like you do, just like how the laws aren't the same as the ones in the US. We all have our own idea of what is moral or immoral so in this way morality is subjective. Isn't there a law in which Americans can be sent to prison without trial or right? Violating the 1rst Amendment, nice double standards.

    My cousin in Indiana let me have her netflix information. Currently netflix doesn't have anything about not having dual users using the same account. My brother let me borrow his PS3 and I completed Twisted Metal. Similar scenarios like this happen everywhere on a mass scale be it, while I don't have the resources to back up it, anyone with a social life would agree with me. Now I know what you might be thinking. "That's not stealing your cousin and your brother gave their consent." However Sony or Netflix did not approve of it. Don't get me wrong Netflix and Sony will be in business for years to come. Like the copying of a woman's purse or a crappy desktop at wal-mart. There are no real incidents in which someone got arrested for sharing a possession.
  19. Doctor John TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 247   +15

    1) Stealing and theft aren't synonyms, contradicting you isn't flipping out, I'll do it again - you were wrong! 2) I don't know much about American law, not even USA law. Morality is universal, not subjective, wrong again.
  20. mailpup TS Special Forces Posts: 7,906   +77

    Enough arguing about the definition of words. Back on topic please.