First build, guidance needed please

By vale46
Nov 28, 2010
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  1. vale46

    vale46 Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 206

    btw i allready installed the OS on my new hard drive from my old pc i sold to my dad, will this make a difference ?

    I put it on incase i had problems installing it at the last minute ?
  2. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,361   +823

    After the machine is assembled, you turn it on. Since it has no OS, it will boot to the BIOS. Make the drive mode selection, (the "integrated peripherals" section of BIOS is where you'll find the drive mode setting), put the Windows disc in the DVD drive, then reboot.

    You navigate BIOS using the arrow keys, enter, and escape keys.

    More important than this, (and before turning it on), is double checking that the RAM is properly seated, >>the end locks in place in the notches, the PSU wiring done correctly, and the CPU heat sink being seated properly. In other words, did you hear a click from each pin as you pushed it in?

    The video card also has a retaining clip on it make sure the card is seated properly, and the clip is in the notch.
    OK that's dumb. The OS detects each piece of hardware, and adjusts itself accordingly. So, what you have is, an OS install that still thinks it's in your father's computer.

    Earlier in this thread you were told about this, I guess you just chose not to listen.
  3. vale46

    vale46 Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 206

    Doh ! i downloaded it from MS and put it on a usb stick rather then burn it do disk, it only took 10mins to install that way, i read how to make it a bootable device.

    So, i will need to format and reinstall i guess, once in the new machine ?

    Infact, will it work at all in the new machine or have i made a VERY grave mistake ?

    ;(
  4. vale46

    vale46 Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 206

    Sorry, i'm just having an over load of info at the moment. I better take a step back i guess.
  5. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,361   +823

    It might work, but it's doubtful it will be anywhere near optimum..

    The time wasted by placing Windows on the HDD first, then waiting to assemble the computer, is still subrtacted from the 30 days you have to activate Windows.

    When Windows senses a major hardware change, it then deactivates, and gives you something like 3 days to activate it again anyway.

    And, "I didn't bother burning it to disc", sounds like a future excuse for why you don't have a Windows disc, and so you can't reinstall Windows, "please help"!
  6. vale46

    vale46 Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 206

    I feel like a proper w@@@@r now :( can i rectify this captain ? or will i need to buy a new HD ?

    really sorry, i come here for advice and then jump with both feet..... lesson learnt.

    Sorry peeps :/

    What should i do apart from obviously following things to the letter ?
  7. red1776

    red1776 Omnipotent Ruler of the Universe Posts: 5,867   +74

    there is a 'system repair' option that strips the hardware identifiers, but as cap said, its not guaranteed to work, and is less than optimum to put it mildly. I have done it on half a dozen occasions over the years on a 'no other choice ' basis. But you really need to put a clean install on it.
  8. vale46

    vale46 Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 206

    I got this free partition tool off MS site that allows it to delete all partitions and totally wipe drives, will this rectify it or should i throw the HD away and get a new one ? or will formatting sort it ?

    i'm embarresed guys, soz :(
  9. red1776

    red1776 Omnipotent Ruler of the Universe Posts: 5,867   +74

    You can use the HDD, the problem here is that when you install the OS, it 'marries' the major hardware components. so you cannot (except on very rare occassions) simply plug the HDD with the OS on it and plug it into another machine. If you do a clean install of the os after you have the computer together, it will reformat/wipe clean the contents of the HDD and install a fresh copy. I should probably not have even mentioned the system repair install, its not worth it, and asking for problems.
    The new install of the OS will format the drive for you, so you don't need the partition software.
  10. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,361   +823

    Just put the HDD back into Dad's computer, and reformat it.

    When you install it into your machine, create a partition for the OS of at least 150GBs, (but not more than 200GBs). Windows will prompt you to do this, just follow the prompts.

    This separates your data storage from active content,such as installed programs, and Windows itself.

    I choose such a large OS partition, so I can still store quite a few very large temporary files right on the desktop.

    In fact, I normally use 2 HDDs, with the OS on a HDD of from 250 to 320 GB. Just a personal quirk, nothing more.
  11. vale46

    vale46 Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 206

    Ok i will do a fresh install once running, again sorry for jumping the gun and not paying attention. This is exactly why newbies should read threads like mine.... take note learners. . . .

    If you ask for advice then take it, listen and read. !!!!

    I was a little excited to see if my USB bootable OS worked and didnt think about the results, this is my doing and thankfully it can be sorted,

    Back to basics for me now, i am gunna read through this thread a couple more times before i go to bed, its 3am and i feel proper stupid :/ i am sure others make mistakes too but i am obviously at fault here so please accept my appologies.

    Edit, posted before i saw your reply captain. I will do just as you say if you feel a format from the new build would not be as effective ?
     
  12. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,361   +823

    Just do a full format on your HDD, not the quick format. This will take a couple of hours. In theory, you could let Windows wipe out the existing Windows installation as it installs. I'm more superstitious than to go that route, and would prefer to work with a clean drive. A full format will give that to you.

    There is software that wipes a drive clean, "Darik's Boot n Nuke", among others. That's a bit extreme for this situation, so I'm posting this as an "FYI" blurb, nothing more.
  13. vale46

    vale46 Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 206

    Ok a full format it is, i will pop down tomorrow and do it before my other parts come.

    Thank you :)
  14. vale46

    vale46 Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 206

    I will leave this thread there for now, its now gone 3.20am and i need some shut eye, fingers crossed my parts come tomorrow, i will follow all quide lines and help given and post back as soon as i get a green light so to speak.

    Thanks again guys, your patience is apprecaited, and your tollerence to a newbie is priceless.

    Catch ya soon,

    Kindest regards,

    Vale.
  15. vale46

    vale46 Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 206

    Hi peeps, quick update...

    Went and took the HD i prematurely cocked up and formatted it, i used partition wizard (free ware from MS) as i already had this, and it only took 30 seconds or so to do (no options) so i am not convinced it has done a proper job as Captain mentioned it taking around 2 hrs, i will look at the link you mentioned.

    So instead i have ordered another HD to do a clean install on and i will use the other as storage etc and then format it once the OS is on the main HD.

    Ebuyer is proper messing me about so i dont hold any hope of getting the rest of my order now till god knows, they say they have sent it to the courier on the 12/12/10 but the courier still hasnt revieved it so who knows where it is ?! Ebuyer UK is a shambles,,,, avoid !!! imo

    Unless a miracle occurs and i get this done before xmas then great, if not i would like to wish you all the best for the hoildays. Hope you have a great christmas.

    And thank you for everyones help thus far.

    Regards,

    Vale.
  16. vale46

    vale46 Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 206

    Ho ho ho my parcel came ye :)

    I have installed all componants and she breathes.

    BUT.....

    I got a problem with my original drive, because the new HD wont come till after xmas i only have the one i installed the OS onto and them formatted,

    So for now i wanted to use this drive and then format it later once my new HD was in, problem is i am getting an error message now saying "disk read error"

    So i brought my dads pc back and tried to install windows from his unit as i did origianly but same problem ? windows starts its install and then at the first reboot this error happens ?

    I can here and feel the drive running but wont load OS, just displays the error message ? is there anything i can do ?

    Regards.
  17. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,361   +823

    A little bit of knowledge seems to be a dangerous thing with you.

    Simply install the drive back into dad's computer. When you reboot, open up "My Computer" or "Computer" depending on which version of Windows is present.

    Find your HDD. Right click on it and choose, "format". THEN, . >>> UNCHECK the tick box that says, "Quick format". After that, click "Start", (in the "format dialog box),. get back to me in a few hours.

    If this is a Western Digital HDD, you can down load tools to "zero out" the drive. If your drive won't work after the full format, we can discuss that later.
  18. vale46

    vale46 Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 206

    Theres no need to be sarcastic Captain ;)

    My dads PC only has one sata power source so i cant plug a second drive into that unit and none of my sata cables from my new PSU will fit his PSU so what are my options ?

    Thanks for the quick reply by the way, i am pulling my hair out now as my unit is all tidied up and ready to power up and i know its my fault before you rub it in further :(
  19. vale46

    vale46 Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 206

    Ok, disconnected the CD as it has the right plug, i will come back in when done.

    Thanks again :)
  20. vale46

    vale46 Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 206

    About an hour left for formatting, just to clarify.....do i ?

    1) replace newly formatted HDD back into new unit and plug back into sata '0' as before ?
    2) boot system, (F12) and boot from USB stick with OS on it ?

    Or ?...... i want to get it right this time :/

    Thanks.
  21. vale46

    vale46 Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 206

    Right, its finished but i am doing nothing till further instruction ;)
  22. vale46

    vale46 Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 206

    Ok, just wanted to close this thread off as i have managed to complete my first build. Once i got my new second HD, i installed W7 64bit from disk and the whole pc runs perfect (except one little media player glitch in a different thread)

    So, to end i want to say thanks for all the support i recieved. It is appreciated.

    Kindest regards.


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