Here's an extensive benchmark session comparing the new GeForce RTX 4070 with its more formal tie-wearing sibling, the RTX 4070 Ti, to determine whether the Ti is worth the extra $200.
Here's an extensive benchmark session comparing the new GeForce RTX 4070 with its more formal tie-wearing sibling, the RTX 4070 Ti, to determine whether the Ti is worth the extra $200.
Yeah the Ti is worth it, unless you buy for a small build where temps/airflow can be a problem. Plus 4070s are generally much smaller and easier to fit - for example there is many 2 slot versions with short pcb as well.
4070 is 3080 perf with ~200 watts instead of 320-350 watts + 2GB VRAM more + DLSS 3 support + lower price and higher availablity.
4070 Ti is more like 3090 Ti performance at ~275 watts instead of ~525 watts Yeah the 3090 Ti runs at 537 watts average in gaming according to Techpowerup... 4070 is at 201 watts and 4070 Ti is at 277 watts, crazy difference.
Correction:
FE 3080 10GB gaming power is 303W (average)
20ms spike is 360W
Correction:
FE 3090Ti, TPU shows gaming for it is 445W (average)
20ms spikes can hit 528W
I'm not disagreeing with your post, just providing more accurate numbers from TPU. AIB cards can certainly have higher power usage, but not all of them are that much of a difference over the FE card unless they're pushing RGB and overclocks, trying to entice folks to buy them instead of the FE.
Odd. The standalone reviews show different numbers. I wonder where W1zzard got the numbers from then.NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Founders Edition Review
NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 4070 launches today. In this review we're taking a look at the Founders Edition, which sells at the baseline MSRP of $600. NVIDIA's new FE is a beauty, and its dual-slot design is compact enough to fit into all cases. In terms of performance, the card can match RTX 3080...www.techpowerup.com
What I said was accurate according to their newest GPU (founders) review of 4070
And these numbers are founders/reference numbers, AIB custom cards will be higher in most cases (average watts, maybe not spikes)
Can you provide with a link or proof that Tech Power Up is stating this on it's reviews?According to TPU, 6800XT spikes at 579 watts, 6900XT spikes at 636 watts, 3090 Ti spikes at 570 watts...
Watt spikes is what makes PSU pop, or system reboot.
I would never buy a GPU that uses more than 325-350 watts and even these often needs undervolting to not heat up the entire room. My 3080 uses 275 watts post UV and perf loss is around 2% compared to stock - at stock it can hit 350 watt at times
Maybe they re-test every time, not sure tho. Game might change over time I guessOdd. The standalone reviews show different numbers. I wonder where W1zzard got the numbers from then.
Link is aboveCan you provide with a link or proof that Tech Power Up is stating this on it's reviews?
Because what I found on Tech Power Up is different from what you say in this post.
My suggestion to you is to check more, before posting, for consistencies, though power spikes vary quite much for different implementations of the same videocard, depending on AIBs.Link is above
I think I found 2 reasons why TPU shows different power spikes results even for the same class, model videocards.Maybe they re-test every time, not sure tho. Game might change over time I guess
Well, Steve got a lot of hate from both Nvidia and AMD users. Though phrases like this from Steve are quite odd and is not helping him in this situation:I sincerely dont understand how out of the blue, Steven has decided to push DLSS and RT so hard without even warning that the sole existence of DLSS is to keep you locked into nvidia hardware.
Its a disservice to games, gamers and the industry and simply pushes the industry to a horrible monopoly.
As more and more games add RT it becomes increasingly relevant. The fact that PT is on the horizon doesn't change this because there is always something better coming "soon".I sincerely dont understand how out of the blue, Steven has decided to push DLSS and RT so hard without even warning that the sole existence of DLSS is to keep you locked into nvidia hardware.
Its a disservice to games, gamers and the industry and simply pushes the industry to a horrible monopoly.
And RT is simply not there yet, specially now with PT.
When AMD, nvidia, Intel and whoever else left can sell a gpu that produces proper PT games at 120 FPS@4K without any gimmicks and lock in tech like DLSS (FSR is another gimmick but at least is not locked into one GPU vendor) AND it cost less than US$500, then we should be spending this much energy in pushing this.
From where in NeoMorpheus user post you cited, did you find that he is upset? I read his post carefully and did NOT find anything as he may be "upset". And why do you make such affirmation when you do not have any proof? On the contrary I found his post a very good description of the actual state of RT and PT in gaming from nowadays.As more and more games add RT it becomes increasingly relevant. The fact that PT is on the horizon doesn't change this because there is always something better coming "soon".
If you don't play new games or don't care about RT - why are are you upset? Reviewers are always going to focus on the latest games as there are already plenty of reviews on old games.
As for DSLL, there are currently two ways to enable RT with max settings: use DSLL or spend $1200+ on a GPU. And guess what, that isn't changing any time soon. Why? Because the developers will push graphics as fast as GPUs get better so DSLL or shelling out a grand or more will be the norm for a while. Sure in 6 years that will probably be PT rather than RT, but the result is the same.
Yeah the Ti is worth it, unless you buy for a small build where temps/airflow can be a problem. Plus 4070s are generally much smaller and easier to fit - for example there is many 2 slot versions with short pcb as well.
4070 is 3080 perf with ~200 watts instead of 320-350 watts + 2GB VRAM more + DLSS 3 support + lower price and higher availablity.
4070 Ti is more like 3090 Ti performance at ~275 watts instead of ~525 watts Yeah the 3090 Ti runs at 537 watts average in gaming according to Techpowerup... 4070 is at 201 watts and 4070 Ti is at 277 watts, crazy difference.
3090 Ti should never have been released. It came way too late and has very high power usage, peaked to the absolute limit. Just like some peaked 6950XTs which essentially did not bring anything over custom 6900XT + OC, same chip with higher clock.
According to TPU, 6800XT spikes at 579 watts, 6900XT spikes at 636 watts, 3090 Ti spikes at 570 watts...
Watt spikes is what makes PSU pop, or system reboot.
I would never buy a GPU that uses more than 325-350 watts and even these often needs undervolting to not heat up the entire room. My 3080 uses 275 watts post UV and perf loss is around 2% compared to stock - at stock it can hit 350 watt at times
The Inno3D or? I can find zero reviews on it4070 Ti too has 2-slot models. I run mine in a Node 304 mini-ITX case where a 2-slot GPU is needed. I would rather pick 7900 XT but all models are almost 3-slot thick, require more power and run hotter, so I would need a different case, preferably full ATX one.
I think I found 2 reasons why TPU shows different power spikes results even for the same class, model videocards.
1 reason is different implementations of AIBs for the same videocard.
2nd reason and the most important one I think, it is that TPU changed the PC test system between their previous reviews and the latter.
In their previous reviews TPU used an Intel 9900K processor in their tests for videocards.
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The MSI Radeon RX 6800 XT Gaming X Trio has the best cooler out of all RX 6800 XT cards we've reviewed so far. With just 67°C, this triple-slot, triple-fan design runs extremely cool, yet stays very quiet at the same time. As expected, idle fan stop is included, too.www.techpowerup.com
In the latter reviews they use a 13900K, which is a completely different power hungry story.
And the combination between the highest power hungry 13900K and power hungry videocards is causing PSUs to reboot the system.NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Founders Edition Review
NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 4070 launches today. In this review we're taking a look at the Founders Edition, which sells at the baseline MSRP of $600. NVIDIA's new FE is a beauty, and its dual-slot design is compact enough to fit into all cases. In terms of performance, the card can match RTX 3080...www.techpowerup.com
Would be interesting to check with a 7800X3D or 7950X3D system, if power spikes levels will be the same, higher or lower.