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You sure a hail storm isnt somone mass deleting data? it has to go somewhere!? dont it?
Majority of Americans believe bad weather affects cloud computing
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cliffordcooley
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LOL, next time you see a hail stone pick it up and see if there is a filename written on it.
A hail storm could very well be the result of MPAA taking down multiple torrent sites. hahaha
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If I was resented a survey like that, I would totally rant about weather phenomena based computers. Just because.
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Yeah, with just one reply I would have a chance to make the other 312401 people I represent look like *****s. I mean, how could I not, right!?
Sum Guy
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This was a funny article and yet sadly true. It surprises me how much people think they know and what they actually know is much less.
Some of my most difficult customers are the ones who think they are tech savvy. Don't get me wrong some are a bit in the know, but the vast majority just don't have a clue. You would think more people would be informed, but more are misinformed than properly informed.
Some of my most difficult customers are the ones who think they are tech savvy. Don't get me wrong some are a bit in the know, but the vast majority just don't have a clue. You would think more people would be informed, but more are misinformed than properly informed.
dividebyzero
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So you're saying that American's might not necessarily be uneducated...merely as*holes ?
I recently watched Clint Eastwood hold a conversation with an empty chair in support of Mitt Romney....I'd suggest there might be some crossover between the two categories
nugnamnivek
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Right...because it's successful wealthy people that are causing the GOVERNMENT run public schools system to fail our children. lol. You're suffering from the disease of socialism my friend. Self interest, what you call greed, has fed more mouths and created more opportunities than your precious mother government ever possibly could.
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I don't think it's such a big deal that most people don't understand tech. Most also don't understand medicine, science, art - whatever. I think this weird desire us techies have for mainstream people to understand tech really stems from nerds wanting to feel some sort of recognition from "the cool people". As much as I dislike Apple, its succeeding because it understands that people don't care how something works, just that it works, and are willing to overspend just to get a less complex/more standardized product. PC's are failing in the marketplace because of how open standards and tech friendly (and thus complex, variable and suceptible to instability) they are.
Cloud computing is something that evolved naturally, and is the most efficient solution, in a sense going back to the mainframe/terminal paradigm, but using broadband internet to do it. The inefficient idea of using fat clients (such as PC's) each having its own software installed on it, only came about because the internet and even lan/wan networks were too slow at the time to provide a fast/wide enough pipe. But now that we have broadband and powerful data centers, it is simply ridiculous and ineffficient for everyone to have a fat client, each with its own software, each with variations, differing updates, settings etc - too much duplication, complexity - inherently unstable. Much more efficient/cheaper to goto a cloud computing paradigm where thin clients connect to powerful datacenters, with one copy of the app software updated on servers, managed by IT pros (as opposed to home users) who know what they're doing. In essence, like the business intranet paradigm but on a much larger scale.
-Vish99
Cloud computing is something that evolved naturally, and is the most efficient solution, in a sense going back to the mainframe/terminal paradigm, but using broadband internet to do it. The inefficient idea of using fat clients (such as PC's) each having its own software installed on it, only came about because the internet and even lan/wan networks were too slow at the time to provide a fast/wide enough pipe. But now that we have broadband and powerful data centers, it is simply ridiculous and ineffficient for everyone to have a fat client, each with its own software, each with variations, differing updates, settings etc - too much duplication, complexity - inherently unstable. Much more efficient/cheaper to goto a cloud computing paradigm where thin clients connect to powerful datacenters, with one copy of the app software updated on servers, managed by IT pros (as opposed to home users) who know what they're doing. In essence, like the business intranet paradigm but on a much larger scale.
-Vish99
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Generally great cloud computing in the Pacific Northwest, but not presently.
psycros
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In what fantasy realm does this new paradigm actually make sense? How is it "more efficient" to run everything remotely over connections that are many, many times slower than your LAN or hard drive? How does it make sense to entrust your data to a faceless company that could get hacked at any time, or get bought out, or simply decide to sell your data to whomever it likes? And what about mobile data which is expensive and usually quite limited in data usage, speed or both? What about all the people going through WANs with aggressive filtering and security measures - half the "cloud" apps aren't going to work for them. No, what makes sense in the real world is for every computer to be getting automatic updates on a timely basis. The "cloud" is nowhere near ready for prime time in most countries.
Sum Guy
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On cloud computing, For the most part many of use cloud computing and are not even aware of it. If you emailed yourself a link, or posted one to a social networking site for the sake of using it later, you used the cloud. P2P is another form of cloud computing, every one has a bit of it till the point you become a seeder. Cloud computing seems to have little to do with performance, but more so reliability. Mirror servers are are an example of reliability with a potential of performance advantage if one server is closer to you. If server A is dead or overloaded you will go to server B even if it not the fastest for your ping. The best part is, if one fails the data is still accessible. I think one benefit of cloud computing. Storing pictures and stuff on social networks and programs like dropbox and skydrive are other examples of cloud computing.
Cloud computing has its advantages for data reliability in event your offline copy fails, but you may lose the security of offline because at any moment the data could get into the wrong hands via hackers. With that said I would not recommend using the cloud for sensitive data unless you have some fail safes like encryption. And still even that can be cracked. It seems the article missed these points. Cloud computing seems to be more a reliability solution that a performance one, except in the cases of mirror servers.
As far as weather affecting it, not really. Except for the loss of internet in your area if you lost connection but the data will sill be there.
Cloud computing has its advantages for data reliability in event your offline copy fails, but you may lose the security of offline because at any moment the data could get into the wrong hands via hackers. With that said I would not recommend using the cloud for sensitive data unless you have some fail safes like encryption. And still even that can be cracked. It seems the article missed these points. Cloud computing seems to be more a reliability solution that a performance one, except in the cases of mirror servers.
As far as weather affecting it, not really. Except for the loss of internet in your area if you lost connection but the data will sill be there.
Doctor John
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Why is everyone still missing the elephant in the room? The heading was "Majority of Americans believe bad weather affects cloud computing", if so the majority of Americans are right! Bad weather affects most telecoms, and "the cloud" depends on these telecoms.
Congratulations America on your intelligence and perception!
Congratulations America on your intelligence and perception!
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@psycros
You're thinking of the cloud as what it is today - browsers connecting to websites over the internet. This will be part of the cloud, but not the main way you get your pc desktop and main software. You'll basically boot the thin client, logon to your cable (or similar) company's intranet, with a dedicated/fast backbone for this purpose, with servers/datacenter nearby (some possiby within the cable companies facilities) with a choice of software options, etc.
MS Office Starter 2010 is a good example of software as a service running in a way that most regular users don't even know its not fully locally installed, but is instead part of the MS App-V platform, and it runs over the internet (and would be much faster running over a broadband intranet):
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_App-V) "Microsoft Application Virtualization (MS App-V) platform allows applications to be deployed in real-time to any client from a virtual application server. It removes the need for local installation of the applications. Instead, only the App-V client needs to be installed on the client machines. All application data is permanently stored on the virtual application server. Whichever software is needed is either streamed or locally cached from the application server on demand and run locally... MS App-V thus allows centralized installation and management of deployed applications. It supports policy based access control; administrators can define and restrict access to the applications by certain users by defining policies governing the usage."
Remember that a thin client is not a dummy client (like a dumb terminal), it still has an operating system and processing power, stores the client part of the app, some settings/data, etc. Much of the processing still will occur locally, but as I stated above, this is like the business intranet paradigm, which is much more efficient and cheaper, economies of scale, more uniform, stable, managed by IT people who understand security. The regular user would also gain access to much more powerful software that may be cost prohibitive now, but would be cheap as part of a bundled package.
Of course techies and powerusers can still have fat clients, but I doubt most would want to for their daily computing. Just to cite one example, most techies use the internet cloud services today (such as free webmail which stores both application and data) when years ago this would've been looked at as a un-techy solution compared to locally installed pop mail clients that downloaded/stored emails locally.
-Vish99
You're thinking of the cloud as what it is today - browsers connecting to websites over the internet. This will be part of the cloud, but not the main way you get your pc desktop and main software. You'll basically boot the thin client, logon to your cable (or similar) company's intranet, with a dedicated/fast backbone for this purpose, with servers/datacenter nearby (some possiby within the cable companies facilities) with a choice of software options, etc.
MS Office Starter 2010 is a good example of software as a service running in a way that most regular users don't even know its not fully locally installed, but is instead part of the MS App-V platform, and it runs over the internet (and would be much faster running over a broadband intranet):
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_App-V) "Microsoft Application Virtualization (MS App-V) platform allows applications to be deployed in real-time to any client from a virtual application server. It removes the need for local installation of the applications. Instead, only the App-V client needs to be installed on the client machines. All application data is permanently stored on the virtual application server. Whichever software is needed is either streamed or locally cached from the application server on demand and run locally... MS App-V thus allows centralized installation and management of deployed applications. It supports policy based access control; administrators can define and restrict access to the applications by certain users by defining policies governing the usage."
Remember that a thin client is not a dummy client (like a dumb terminal), it still has an operating system and processing power, stores the client part of the app, some settings/data, etc. Much of the processing still will occur locally, but as I stated above, this is like the business intranet paradigm, which is much more efficient and cheaper, economies of scale, more uniform, stable, managed by IT people who understand security. The regular user would also gain access to much more powerful software that may be cost prohibitive now, but would be cheap as part of a bundled package.
Of course techies and powerusers can still have fat clients, but I doubt most would want to for their daily computing. Just to cite one example, most techies use the internet cloud services today (such as free webmail which stores both application and data) when years ago this would've been looked at as a un-techy solution compared to locally installed pop mail clients that downloaded/stored emails locally.
-Vish99
What a brilliant scam.
Hahaha.. american ppl.
I recently complained to my internet service provider that my connection frequently dropped. They asked me if it only happened when it was raining. Do you think they believe this too?
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This is not surprising in the least, considering that this is a country where 50% of the population don't believe in evolution and also believe that Jesus is coming back from Heaven on a flying cloud at any minute. God bless the USA!
cliffordcooley
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Yes, and I happen to be one of them, so whats your point? I happen to feel the same way about anyone if they only believe in evolution. The sad part is there is absolutely no evidence (biblically or scientifically) suggesting they both didn't coincide together. The fact that there is evidence to support both beliefs, suggest they must have both existed.
What confuses me is what seems to be a comment of disbelief, then a closing statement of "God bless the USA!".
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