Metro Exodus Ray Tracing Benchmarked
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cliffordcooley
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I'm thinking they should have chosen and better environment to demonstrate RTX. Why demonstrate on an overcast dreary day? Of course there will be little difference, when there is nothing to ray trace. This is one of those Duh moments.
Dr Aggressive
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I they they wanted to show that RTX Off looks slightly better
Speaking strictly about performance - 144hz gsync, 1440p res, slight OC'ed 7700k with an oc'ed 2080 was silky smooth with "ultra" settings and rtx set to high. The detail in game is incredible. You have time to take it in, unlike BF5. Can't say how it is without rtx because it ran so well I just played the game.
Also DLSS, leave it off. The level of detail lost is crazy.
Also DLSS, leave it off. The level of detail lost is crazy.
Sausagemeat
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The images in the article aren’t very good at highlighting the enhancement RTX on offers. Watch some videos on YouTube or witness it first hand, the difference is amazing. I can’t understand how people wouldn’t want it, it’s the best new image processing effect I’ve seen in a very long time.
veLa
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Nope. It just looks slightly different, not necessarily better. May as well avoid the performance hit.
cliffordcooley
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Pick a game with sunshine and come back to us with a RTX review.
Nobina
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What an absolute garbage this ray tracing meme is. It reminds me of Nvidia HairWorks, pointless graphical "improvements" that cost an arm and a leg in terms of performance. While playing the game you're not gonna stop and look at every reflection to determine wheter it's real enough and even if you do it seems there's not much difference.
Why don't you link some in stead of shilling for Nvidia for free?
cliffordcooley
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What exactly do you think ray tracing is? It is pointless in an image with few shadows to trace rays from. I'm still on the fence as to whether I want it or not. I'm not naive enough to think it would be noticeable in the image above.
In fact my mother goes around to cemeteries and takes pictures for Findagrave. She hated going on sunshiny days because of the shadows created by the sun. The text on the stone would show better on overcast days. There is no difference in the effects of ray tracing and that which was being removed on the tombstones.
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Nobina
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BF V was the same story though.
amstech
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Amazing how many people miss the boat on this one.
This isn't tech that really shows its face clearly in side by side screenshots, or if at all.
It's a subtle difference that adds to more realism, its not a big 'WOW' that shoots you in the face.
Lol, kids.
Also, IMO, the 2K performance for the 2080 with RT on is pretty god damn awful for a $700 GPU... that card, considering how it performs with RT running, should cost no more then $500.
This isn't tech that really shows its face clearly in side by side screenshots, or if at all.
It's a subtle difference that adds to more realism, its not a big 'WOW' that shoots you in the face.
Lol, kids.
Also, IMO, the 2K performance for the 2080 with RT on is pretty god damn awful for a $700 GPU... that card, considering how it performs with RT running, should cost no more then $500.
cliffordcooley
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To be fair I never said RTX worked. I was suggesting I didn't see how it could work in this image.
Sausagemeat
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Please tell me you aren’t incapable of searching YouTube for RTX on footage?
Also, enjoying ray tracing isn’t “shilling Nvidia”. I can fully enjoy ray tracing without giving a dam about a money grabbing corporation. Ray tracing will be common in the future, it’s going to be on every single game out there eventually. I don’t understand why anyone hates on it, if you don’t like it you can turn it off and currently the Nvidia cards that have it aren’t any more expensive than their AMD counterparts so it’s effectively a free feature. Im not sorry I’m enjoying the latest 3D rendering technology and commenting about it.
Please don’t confuse ray tracing with Hairworks. Hairworks is a gimmick, ray tracing is progress.
Nobina
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I was suggesting you link a video in which you can see ray tracing in it's best form cause I sure as **** can't find any.
Maybe, but until that happens it's a piece of ****, rightfully so.
It's a free feature from Nvidia? What fantasy world are you living in? This is the dumbest and most gullible **** I've heard in a while, last thing was probably something you said as well. It's unreal.
As someone who seems to be invested into the "latest 3D rendering technology" it is wierd you ask why people dislike it and it's actually pretty simple: it offers barely visible visual difference which isn't necessarily better, just different, while crippling the performance of even the most powerful graphics cards making games run terrible.
And I got a bridge to sell you.
Sausagemeat
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I’m almost certain you’ve not seen ray tracing in real life yet.
Yes it is a free feature. Equivalent AMD cards cost the same without ray tracing (Vega 56,Radeon 7). Therefore you don’t pay any extra to buy the Nvidia card with ray tracing. I don’t understand how you couldn’t grasp such a simple concept. Well, maybe it is for you. Please do try to explain without sounding really stupid how it costs extra?
You seem to hold an irrational amount of hate for a free feature. I’m guessing you’ve got other distractions on your mind.
Nobina
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You are actually saying that ray tracing is free because AMD VII card costs as much as Nvidias RTX2080, which is $700. So if AMD dropped their price by $100 suddenly ray tracing would start costing $100. How does that work? That's your own logic, what a mess you are mate. Have fun with your free feature you paid $700 dollars for.
How did you get the impression I hate the feature? I'm saying it's **** because it is. If it becomes good in the future I will like it. If you can't handle the "hate" google some pictures of rainbows or cats to cool off.
Bp968
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Its called "opportunity cost". Remember, When we went from the 970 to the 1070 we got a *substantial* performance improvement for old, current and upcoming games all while staying in the same price bracket (350$-ish). When we went from the 1070 to the 2070 we either get a 20-25% performance boost for a 150-200$ *premium* (500-550$) or we stayed in the same price bracket (350$) and *lost* 2GB of video memory and barely gained any performance at all (2060). In fact, we got a larger performance boost while staying in the original price bracket with a *mid generation* replacement (from the 1070 to 1070ti) than we saw from the Turing cards!!
If Nvidia had used the same sized die and dumped the RT Cores and Tensor Cores and instead filled that space with Cuda cores (and optimizations) we would likely be seeing substantial performance improvements across the spectrum of games with a much lower price premium (much of that premium is *because* of the die size though).
Everything has a cost. The question is, does the benefit exceed the costs? Are you better off with RTX @60fps 1080p, or RTX off @120fps 1080p? Or RTX off @4K or RTX on @1080p? One of the major problems with the costs associated with RTX is most of us running high end GFX cards stopped playing at 1080p years ago. I'm not about to buy a 1080p monitor just so I can enable RTX (especially with such extremely minor improvements in such a tiny spectrum of games). Playing at a non-native resolution is a absolute no-go as well.
The turing cards are Nvidia's way to try and recover sunk R&D costs in an architecture designed for AI, ML and enterprise workloads, *not* gaming. Tensor cores are essentially purpose designed ASICs that they are frantically trying to find a use for in gaming.
The 20xx series cards are at best a price/perf parity with the 10 series cards. If you have a 9 series or older its no better or worse per dollar than if you had bought a 1070ti or 1080 back in 2017. If you own a 10 series card than the 20 series cards are a terrible "upgrade" and not even worth looking at (unless your just loaded and buy the 80ti/titan cards regardless the price simply to have the "best").
I don't think Nvidia expected it to do this poorly considering the hit to their stock prices and the current sales projections for the cards. I do hypothesize that its not at all unlikely that Nvidia has an actual gaming design (likely at 7nm) already in progress and ready to drop in 2020 when they see what Intel and Nvidia are bringing to the table. I expect Turing to be a very short lived generation.
m3tavision
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If Nvidia's RT cores are FREE, then why is Nvidia's GTX1660 coming out with $100 price cut from the RTX2060..?
Anyone reading your posts can tell you are not a gamer, but a salesman. You approach everything not from a neutral gamer point of view, but as a Nvidia stock holder....
The 1660 is only like $70 cheaper and it has less cores than the 2060.
elementalSG
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Started playing Metro Exodus with Ray Tracing on and also off on my RTX 2080 Ti. The difference is interesting; because the lighting is now so realistic with Ray Tracing on, my brain no longer rejects the environment as fake and so the feeling of fear goes up (at least for me). With Ray Tracing off, it's just less scary since the lighting just still looks and feels fake to me.
Too bad you can't really see this gaming experience difference in the screenshots, but you can definitely feel the difference when you play Metro Exodus with Ray Tracing on.
Peter Farkas
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Yes, there was not much I could see on the screenshots, but will check gameplay videos to see the difference. Though you got to remember that with a 2080ti you are the top 1% and rest of us won't be able to get playable framerates with RTX on for quite a while. I welcome ray tracing as I am convinced it is the way forward, however, with these 1st gen RTX GPUs it is an extremely expensive visual effect. I expect this to be widely affordable in a few years. I will hop on the train when it arrives to the mid-range in a playable fashion.
For now, I think playing in 4K without RTX is more affordable and gives a better visual upgrade from 1080p than RTX.
Sausagemeat
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It’s actually about $50 cheaper than a 2060 and has less CUDA cores. I know you are desperate to spread the misinformation that RTX costs loads but the fact is it comes as a very low cost. If I want to buy a 2060, 2070 or 2080 then I would save no money by buying a non RTX card and getting the same performance. Or perhaps you could point me in the direction of a card that offers the same performance as an RTX card but without the RTX features that saves me some money?
