Microsoft has received over 200,000 feedback submissions for Windows 10

[robb213]

If your argument is "there's no aesthetics", then you have no argument. That's completely subjective.
In terms of visual design, the flat UIs companies are moving to are objectively better due correctly applying principles like ockham's razor and signal-to-noise ratio. If you personally dislike the style, fine, but wanting companies to move to objectively worse designs to satisfy your personal taste is just absurd.
And let me remind you that's the path everybody is taking (Windows, OS X, iOS, Android and even Chrome OS). So, first, that's not an accident or coincidence, and neither it is a passing fad. And second, dissing Windows about this doesn't really leave you with any other choice, given the other OSes are also adopting flat UIs.

Who in their right mind would stop using a OS because they don't like the way icons look? Bit overboard.

Yeah, it's subjective, I'll admit that. But it's to a point I'd consider it nonsensical--like paintings that go for millions when they're only single colored circles, lines, and other basic shapes. There's no real effort put into it.

Occam's Razer...I hate it. Although now that you bring it up, it just means things will change again, either overdone or with a good compromise. Likely overdone as is always the case.

But because every other company does it doesn't mean it's actually right. We all know the fallacy would you jump if they did. The thing that makes it hard to Guage if many people actually like said changes are that most people will just stay with a product when it gets a very minor theme change. I don't see SnR as an issue either.

Now that I think if it though, it's all like Win95/2000, but just with a color of your choice instead of gray. Anyways, the best feedback I've heard are for Vista/7/pre-flat iOS. Even Google's jump to more detailed looks in Honeycomb was highly praised, vs now where it seems more or less a norm not worth paying attention to.

 

[dividebyzero]

When an outdated i3-2100 runs Aero just fine and the IGP in all products being produced now is equal or better, I have to question why you would say that.

I was actually thinking more of the growth areas - light notebook and tablet. A sizable quantity of sales revolve around entry level hardware running ~HD screens. The current slew of Bay Trail Celeron equipped systems for example.
Would you be confident that J1800 running a 1920x1080 display wouldn't suffer slowdowns under graphics loading with Aero enabled?
Steam's hardware survey still lists some pretty antiquated/underpowered hardware as being popular even as Win7 64-bit reigns as the popular OS choice, so while I wouldn't expect people to upgrade these systems to Win10, there is no reason to suppose that OEM's (the largest sales segment) will suddenly increase entry level hardware to ensure 100% stability.

 

[Xclusiveitalian]

"...make it easier to use a local account ..."

I want more info on this. So does it mean that as of right now, you'd be hard pressed NOT to use windows with your Hotmail account?
Based on my personal experience, it was really hard to bypass the screen that REQUIRED you to input your hotmail.com/outlook.com account.

If this stays true - Hello Win7!!

So far you don't have to. You can make a local account which I did as usual. But if you want to send feedback, you need to link it with an online email account, and the local account is then changed to that. I haven't been able to remove the link once created.

Bring back Aero or at least SOME degree of eye candy.

Skeuomorphism is dead. And good riddance. So no, I hope Microsoft does not bring back the ridiculous faux glass effects, and continue making interfaces that actually make sense on a computer screen instead of senseless metaphors for physical materials.
Also, Aero was not removed from Windows 8. You still have Aero Peek, Aero Snap, and all animations Vista and 7 had (even the "windows fading from/into screen" when opening or closing windows). Aero is still there. What you're asking for is faux glass effects. And no, that's the part Microsoft should not bring back.

want to be able to use a simple local user account, without going through the step of disconnecting the network cable during setup

Windows 8.1 does have the option to setup a local account, no cable unplugging needed.

Totally! Flat, bland, and "detail-less" visuals are the way to go! Might as well go to text only! /s

We have advanced 3D technology. Even the GPUs in phones can use detailed icons no problem and themes like you see in Win7. Minimalism is fine, but Microsoft is going way overboard and really cheaping out on it--there's no aesthetics whatsoever (I can poke my eye).

Simple. Because tablets can't handle it.

 

[Guest]

If your argument is "there's no aesthetics", then you have no argument. That's completely subjective.

Subjective? Exactly. That's why you have no argument, as well.

In terms of visual design, the flat UIs companies are moving to are objectively better due correctly applying principles like ockham's razor and signal-to-noise ratio.

Except that Occam's razor has nothing to do with the so-called OCGM. Which is dumbed-down, touch-centric, and consumption-only parody of an interface metaphor, vomited out by a former marine suffering from severe megalomania.

that's the path everybody is taking (Windows, OS X, iOS, Android and even Chrome OS).

All aboard!

 

[Guest]

That is all I'm asking for as far as Aero is concerned. Make it an optional download, I don't care but, let me keep it.

Stop talking about Aero. As the guest above already revealed, you are complaining about one small, tiny aspect of the OS. Windows 8, and by extension based on the preview, Windows 10 both have Aero, just minus the faux glass effect. EVERYTHING else about it is still the Aero of old. You condemning the OS on this one small aspect and refusing to use it, despite ALL the other benefits, is quite frankly mind boggling especially considering the thriving 3rd party market available to you to fill in that one tiny hole you seem unable to circumvent. Don't like the start screen? Well ignore it, boot directly to desktop and voila, you will hardly ever have to see it, let alone use it (or just download a 3rd party tool, something Windows has allowed for years). Using Windows 10 (yet to be released), well now you get to choose the traditional start menu you so loved, or the start screen. Don't like the Tiles on the start menu in Windows 10? Remove them. Problem solved. You get ALL the benefits of Windows 8 over windows 7, now just with your traditional start menu back plus most likely the benefit of DX12 when it is officially released. So I still cant see what you're moaning about. Microsoft, damned if they do, damned if they don't.

 

[Nobina]

Many people think that Aero is just transparency, but it's a whole feature where you have all kinds of animations. Windows 8 and 10 both have Aero, just not the transparancy effect.

 

[Puiu]

Does anybody have some numbers on how much they managed to optimized it? battery and memory usage. how many services are in use etc

 

[cliffordcooley]

Many people think that Aero is just transparency, but it's a whole feature where you have all kinds of animations. Windows 8 and 10 both have Aero, just not the transparancy effect.

Maybe that's because within Aero the only aspect I want is that which was removed. MS kept all the other trash I care nothing about, go out of my way to disable. But I'm not here screaming we don't need it because I know there are people that want it. Why can't you do the same?

Stop talking about Aero. As the guest above already revealed, you are complaining about one small, tiny aspect of the OS.

No I'm not complaining about one tiny small aspect of the OS. It is this small tiny aspect of the OS that everyone is concentrating on, and ignoring all my other complaints. Here let me quote myself from another thread so I'm not typing it again.

By introducing a preschool atmosphere?

As for your stance about shutting up about the start menu, that will happen under one condition. I will shut up about the one aspect of Windows I want to stay the same, if MS splits their bundle and drop all the software that I don't use. Let me make a list.

Software that I do not use: [My preferred software of choice]

1. Windows Explorer [Total Commander]
2. Internet Explorer [Recently switched to Firefox after using Opera a few years]
   
3. Windows Media Player [Media Player Classic]
4. Disk Management [Partition Wizard]
5. Windows DVD Maker [Nero]
6. Sound recorder [Audacity]
7. Paint [Paint.Net]
8. Picture Viewing [Irfanview]
9. BCDEdit [EasyBCD]
10. Windows Backup [Seagate DiscWizard]

Software I do use:

1. Calculator [only for simple calculations, I use Excel more often.]
   
2. Wordpad [I do have Office 2010, but don't need the facility of Word for text editing.]
3. Disk Cleanup [CCleaner does more but doesn't get everything]
4. Windows Restore Points [The one feature that do like about Windows]
5. Safe Mode [Rarely needed but does come in handy on occasions]

There is a software titles I use from MS that is not bundled. I don't have a problem with downloading them. Shame the Start Menu of choice can't be one of the downloads. I download Windows Live Mail for my email application of choice. In a digital world you are supporting the idea that we don't deserve choice, when there is no reason for a single pathway. If you want me to shut up, then get MS to drop all the other trash in their OS! Tell me again, why I should feel obligated to continue paying for features I don't use, when features I do use are being removed or replaced with trash? And also tell me again, why I shouldn't be entitled to complaining and sharing my disappointment in MS?

 

[pmcardle]

Many people think that Aero is just transparency, but it's a whole feature where you have all kinds of animations. Windows 8 and 10 both have Aero, just not the transparancy effect.

Maybe that's because within Aero the only aspect I want is that which was removed. MS kept all the other trash I care nothing about, go out of my way to disable. But I'm not here screaming we don't need it because I know there are people that want it. Why can't you do the same?

Stop talking about Aero. As the guest above already revealed, you are complaining about one small, tiny aspect of the OS.

No I'm not complaining about one tiny small aspect of the OS. It is this small tiny aspect of the OS that everyone is concentrating on, and ignoring all my other complaints. Here let me quote myself from another thread so I'm not typing it again.

By introducing a preschool atmosphere?

As for your stance about shutting up about the start menu, that will happen under one condition. I will shut up about the one aspect of Windows I want to stay the same, if MS splits their bundle and drop all the software that I don't use. Let me make a list.

Software that I do not use: [My preferred software of choice]

1. Windows Explorer [Total Commander]
2. Internet Explorer [Recently switched to Firefox after using Opera a few years]
   
3. Windows Media Player [Media Player Classic]
4. Disk Management [Partition Wizard]
5. Windows DVD Maker [Nero]
6. Sound recorder [Audacity]
7. Paint [Paint.Net]
8. Picture Viewing [Irfanview]
9. BCDEdit [EasyBCD]
10. Windows Backup [Seagate DiscWizard]

Software I do use:

1. Calculator [only for simple calculations, I use Excel more often.]
   
2. Wordpad [I do have Office 2010, but don't need the facility of Word for text editing.]
3. Disk Cleanup [CCleaner does more but doesn't get everything]
4. Windows Restore Points [The one feature that do like about Windows]
5. Safe Mode [Rarely needed but does come in handy on occasions]

There is a software titles I use from MS that is not bundled. I don't have a problem with downloading them. Shame the Start Menu of choice can't be one of the downloads. I download Windows Live Mail for my email application of choice. In a digital world you are supporting the idea that we don't deserve choice, when there is no reason for a single pathway. If you want me to shut up, then get MS to drop all the other trash in their OS! Tell me again, why I should feel obligated to continue paying for features I don't use, when features I do use are being removed or replaced with trash? And also tell me again, why I shouldn't be entitled to complaining and sharing my disappointment in MS?

So you're saying that MS should remove the software that you mentioned above that you don't use from their OS? That and a tiny missing piece of Areo is your beef about 8/10? I can't believe you would even post this??? You're pulling everyone's leg right? This is the biggest joke I've ever heard. Thanks for the laugh Cliff...

 

[Railman]

Stop talking about Aero. As the guest above already revealed, you are complaining about one small, tiny aspect of the OS.

Guess What? I tend to take the views of most guests with a pinch of salt. Why do you insist on attacking CliffordCooly but are afraid to identify yourself?

If you don't like the fact that CliffordCooley is critical of your beloved W8 or W10 have the courage to use a name. Are you are one of those MS stooges who are paid to write positive comments on current MS products?

 

[cliffordcooley]

So you're saying that MS should remove the software that you mentioned above that you don't use from their OS?

No, I said that is what it would take to shut me up after they removed what I do use, if they intend on keeping it removed. I thought I had bad comprehension skills! And if you can read between the lines. If they allowed for the part of Aero I want to be downloaded, you would probably see me stop as well.

 

[pmcardle]

Stop talking about Aero. As the guest above already revealed, you are complaining about one small, tiny aspect of the OS.

Guess What? I tend to take the views of most guests with a pinch of salt. Why do you insist on attacking CliffordCooly but are afraid to identify yourself?

If you don't like the fact that CliffordCooley is critical of your beloved W8 or W10 have the courage to use a name. Are you are one of those MS stooges who are paid to write positive comments on current MS products?

My identity: P.S. McArdle
I do not get paid by MS nor was I supporting their product. I was merely pointing out that some people will complain if their ice cream is too cold.

 

[Raoul Duke]

Aero may be a small part in the overall OS, but in practice if it is enabled you see it 100% you are looking at and working with your computer so in a sense it is a very big thing. MS can give us umpteen ways to accomplish the same task with a mouse and now touch, yet visually it's flat and boring with no choice. In Win7 you can enable aero or turn it off, is that too much to ask for? Apparently so for some folks.

 

[robb213]

Simple. Because tablets can't handle it.

So tell me why my original Galaxy Tab 10.1, the first of the series, which ran Honeycomb, ran it fine? Tegra was never a great iGP, or at least wasn't then. Honeycomb was the equivalent of any 3D icon/theme we have on desktops, as well as ICS; it wasn't one flat color for everything with minimal flow in terms of curving. iOS 6 and 7 are also not too far off--they're unique enough to identify them as iOS icons.

All I'm vying for is something unique, and not the same ol'. Put some effort into it--even if it's flat, with the work, it can look good. The way they all stand now, why not just have a contest for very early grade school kids to design what they think stuff should look like? It'd at least get kids involved in tech early, and save the corporations a lot of money.

Many people think that Aero is just transparency, but it's a whole feature where you have all kinds of animations. Windows 8 and 10 both have Aero, just not the transparancy effect.

I think the point we can agree on it was an aesthetic alone that could be easily identified though, a unique one. If there was some notable look to what they're doing now, I doubt very few would be screaming blasphemy.



Aero, aesthetics aside, is useful as hell. I do love the fact they've built it up further function wise.

 

[Guest]

Why do you insist on attacking CliffordCooly but are afraid to identify yourself?

In turn, why should I satiate your bout of paranoia by creating an account? I come to this site to read the news, if I see a comment I feel is worth responding to, then I will do so. I have no reason whatsoever to register an account to have a say over something, any more than I would register an account simply to comment on a YouTube video. Since Google doesn't allow guest comments, they can do without me, but since Techspot does, I guess you'll just have to live with it. Also, your comment was a fantastic way to divert from the main issue. Don't confront the topic at hand, instead attack the fact I prefer to not have an account. Good job!!

<disclaimer>Not everyone that has something good to say about Microsoft is an agent in their employ</disclaimer>
<addendum>As an observation, its a very childish thing to say for what I assume to be an adult. Unless this is just your paranoia showing through again. Careful, the NSA is watching you Railman!</addendum>

 

[mailpup]

I think we've had enough personal comments in this thread. Back on topic please.

 

[Stash]

Transparency effects are important to me. I would still use windows without it, but, I would not be happy. Aesthetics are an important part of most if not all consumer products. Not everybody uses a mobile device only. I agree with cliff. In order to make a well rounded product, it should still be available as an option. I like it, he likes it and a number of others do to. Let it be an option just like the start menu is. Many people do not like the metro interface, but there are people that do. The whole idea is for MS to get as large a market share as possible. Allowing this feature would definitely help.