Microsoft killed cross-platform project because PC gamers wrecked console gamers

I have every game system out there. I have a pretty spec'd out pc.
I'd rather play with a controller than a keyboard and mouse.
For me it's about comfort.
Pc gaming is like Mr. Sulu on the helm. Console is like Capt Kirk chilling.
I could lounge on my sofa chair for hours.
Sitting up right in my nice leather padded office chair...not so much.
No monitor can beat my 46in Sony TV. 23in vs 46in?

And yes PC sales are still strong... and it REALLY doesn't take 2000 bucks... every week for that matter. What another member suggested was right, all it takes is about 800 bucks and you're set for at least 3-4 years.

As far as gaming starting on the console, i'm not too sure about that. First games might have been out for the consoles first, but gaming culture didn't really take off until the arrival of decent pcs, games like Counter-Strike were born, Half-Life, MMOs and a lot of grand daddies of what we're playing right now.

Oh well, i'm a PC gamer, and i'm a hardcore one. :3 I pimp my system because it gives me pride looking at it, my own custom machine. Not much pride comes in it for me for just looking at a PS3, but a PC for me is something i can really make my own, tailor made to my own needs and quirks.

Doesn't mean i shun console gaming though, i just prefer the PC more, and if anything all i need to do is connect a USB controller to my PC

In fact, recently, i just converted my whole PC into a Wii, complete with a sensor bar for a Wii Mote. My Wii has been rendered useless because of this and i'm now going to sell it off.

Being able to sit on my couch super relaxed offers a lot compared to sitting 1.5 to 2 feet from my monitor . I do prefer some shooters on pc though. All CoD on PC and things like Halo on console. I think its funny that people say PC controls are better though. All you are doing is pointing and clicking to aim.

lol. who says you have to sit 1.5 to 2 feet from your monitor? not when you can use your tv as a monitor.

I prefer holding a controller for games, less carpal tunnel that way. K+M is far more precise though. I found that out playing Unreal Tournament on Dreamcast with proprietary Sega K+M. Gave me a huge edge. Love playing console games on my PC with Xbox 360 controller. Better than the console version, especially with high end PC and full Xbox 360 controller support.

QUOTED: Guest
on July 22, 2010
5:55 PM
"@ Johny47 Uhh, No. I don't know what **** you're smoking but you're blatantly wrong. Gaming started on the Console and always has been the best. Who the hell would want to spend $2000 on a PC and upgrade it every other week just to play games? No-one in their right mind. "

GAMING FIRST CAME OUT FOR: Manchester Ferranti Mark 1 COMPUTER unless you want to consider a non-digital data then you have a missle game that lit a dot up on a screen... and well... you had to put an overlay on that, so it was not a computer nor a console...

Besides, Consoles are dumbed down version of PCs

Wow bub, you must have never understood the PC building process and its' uses. I built my rig for around 600 dollars with a Phenom II x4, 2GB Ram, HD5770, M4A78T-E, 500GB HDD, 750w PSU (now using a 380w PSU), using an old tower that had an AMD K5 chip in it, but now I have a Azza. I use my 26" HDTV as a monitor.

I wont HAVE to update for a long time actually. I don't get Red Rings of Death or Red Dots of Death either, and my computer doesn't randomly fire death beam discs at me (PS3). Peripherals are usually cheaper, so if I want to play an emulated PS2, NGC, N64, etc game, all I have to do is buy a pad with the required buttons. From what I gather people have found ways to emulate the Wii even.

All these comments about how consoles are better due to being able to play on a large TV prove either just how little console players actually know about PCs or how desperate console fanboys are to find pros that justify their fanboyism. A TV isn't better than an LCD simply due to it's size. If one was to sit far back from a large TV, they would physically perceive the screen as the same size as an LCD that one was to sit close to. It's all about perspective. Hold up a quarter and a dime. Now move the quarter far enough away from you and now it's perceived as the exact same size as the dime that is closer to you. But, let us say that you have a hard on for TVs or that you enjoy lounging back. In that case simply hook up the PC to the television and suddenly you have the best of both worlds. I personally hook up my PC, PS3, and XBOX360 to my quality 23" LCD monitor and sit up close to it. You get greater clarity and crispness of visuals when sitting closer to your monitor. Though, I admit I'm a bit biased to gaming on my LCD monitor vs my TV due to the fact that I'm quite nearsighted and can't be bothered to wear my glasses the whole time or deal with contacts every time I wish to get a bit of gaming in. Plus, I use a premium leather executive office chair at my desk. This thing is more comfortable than most recliner chairs that I've sat in.

I did a similar trial.

We found mouse/keyboard gives the best precision and speed. Subjects were asked to jump and spin around 20x with a mouse, and land facing exactly the way they want. Something not possible with a controller. The trial was to see how such impressive talent could impress the ladies while control group B was restricted to keyboard turning.

But once a subject won a (real) lady with their Gears of Ballet, we would make them kick back on the couch (yes, with a blanket) with said (real) lady's (real) legs over their lap. We would then hand them a keyboard and mouse.

We found that they performed quite poorly. In addition to the extremely unstable surface, we also attributed this to the fact they also didn't care about the game any more.

Control group C were only allowed to play with their feet. They also performed poorly.

Its no surprise that keyboard and mouse beats consoles. All you have to do to fight someone using a joypad is circle strafe

This should have been a good argument for allowing keyboard and mouse options on consoles, not canning the entire project.

AMEN!!!


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hello ...

I agree, the Keyboard & Mouse combo is just unbeatable for some kind of games, but the idea of cross-platform gaming is interesting, i really would want this to be implemented.

I know we have keyboard & Mouse mappers for PS3, don't the Xbox have same ? Well you can't control what the users are using, so i guess would be good if they could cross-platform ONLY if some conditions/criteria are met.

anyway, too bad, but here MS had good reasons.

... & the truth is when we are a gamer, we are not forced to be limited to ONLY 1 platform ... I play on PC + PS3 (best of both world) ...

cheers!

It's about enjoying yourself after all.

Mouse and keyboard may be more precise for certain shooters and the odd hard core RPG titles but that is basically it.

The Xbox remote is a fine tool for games with mixed scenarios like Mass Effect and Bad Company 2.

Just to say those are the worst examples i've ever seen, Mass effect was infinately easyer with a keyboard and mouse (trust me, i own both) and bad company 2 is a FPS which are ALWAYS better on PC which is the whole point of this article.

HA! Like the bit about the test with lady rewards and the other with trek references. Good stuff.

I have a mouse for my PS3 and it, in my opinion, certainly gives me a leg up compared to other newbies, but it isn't the same as on a computer. The few times I played Bad Company on it, from the first, I scored in the top half every time. Few seconds and thirds and even a couple firsts.

Regardless, the mouse is converting the signal to controller inputs and even at highest sensitivity is not nearly as precise as computer and mouse. (Still have to "spin" with the anolog stick on the left dongle) PS3, Xbox and developers need to include true mouse controls and get some options on the market.

I play with a nostromo controller and mouse at my desk. Kick back with feet up. Only problem is that monitor is not directly in front, slightly to the right, so I can get a kink in my neck on long sessions. I plan to get an articulating vesa mount to fix that.

Still, I typically have one son on the xbox and another on the PS3 while we are all playing the same game. Would be nice to hook up with them occasionally as it seems games are the only thing besides football we have in common anymore...

Plus, my quality time with the misses would be marginally extended if I could enjoy my games on the couch.

Mouse rocks, controllers suck!

Where's the facebook link on this thing, I want to embarrass my friends that think they could "work," my mw2 pc gaming crew.

I've actually gotten very used to my current gaming setup, which (for me) is completely superior to anything I could do on a console for FPS or MMOs. I've got a full Saitek gaming setup: mouse, gaming keyboard, and left hand command unit. That command unit is great, has an analog thumb joystick that I can program for movement, which makes the WASD hand strain thing disappear for long gaming sessions. And having a bazillion completely programmable buttons right at my fingertips helps as well, I can set up profiles for whatever game I'm playing - can't do THAT on a console.

As for the comments about gaming on a TV... I have an HTPC that I built for my wife to use on our 42" HDTV in the living room, running at 1080p resolution. I recently threw a discrete video card that I had lying around in (GT240) and fired up Guild Wars, just to see how it looked. Now, sitting across the room on a couch and playing does have some perks, but honestly I was amazed at how lackluster the image was. It brought home tome what I've heard for quite a while: unless you have a ton of money sunk into the top of the line big screen TVs, you aren't going to match the crispness and response of even just a decent PC screen.

hello again,

why do you people always turn all articles into fanboy war, if it's not about Xbox360 vs PS3, it's PC vs console, most of the time i LOL, but sometimes you really show an immature part of yourself that annoy me, for i've learnt to respect some of you. Do we get push into some hysteria when we see others trying to defend their system or bashing ours !!!?

i'll try to be less fanboyish here:

PC Side:

- No console ever can beat the PC in terms of: Quality & Ease of USE, GFX far superior & i don't care of the price, if i want to play, i can afford, i'll buy & upgrade when needed!

- You can play decently on a PC that's slightly more than any console & any PC will always be 'almost' backward compatible to some extent.

- Mouse & Keyboard combination is the way to go for a lot of games, not all but really a lot!

Console Side:

- Not all games available on consoles are also on PC - exclusivity makes a difference, not that a PC can't play the same, maybe even better. I can imagine a better version of God of War 3 or Gears of War 2 on a PC, but the fact is the games belong to the developers & publishers & they release where they want & so having 'also' a console is a plus for any gamer, sorry .. any 'true' gamer out there!

- Console remain same price & last at least 10 years, even if no big evolution in terms of quality, sometimes the PCs are built far too superior to the real requirements of any games. Don't forget that some great games like Tetris doesn't need big GFX cards to be fun.

- Some games really are better with analog stick or gamepad, so we all get to win.

Why don't we just play our games & stop the war .... & i repeat myself here, maybe a combo of PC + Xbox360 isn't the best for both share more than 80% games, a combo of PC + PS3 or WII is the best to have for any gamer, for then can play great games on great platforms, stick to exclusive & be happy!

Anyway, do what you like, i'll go enjoy my Heavy Rain on PS3 & soon Diablo III on PC. Actually i prefer playing Diablo II on my PC, will also try City of Heroes i bought off steamy site & rise of argonauts i just got for Rs60 (1.80US$) ...
Week-end here, so it will also means: Uncharted 2 MP, Burnout Paradise MP & maybe some Crash Commando ...

have a nice week-end too!

cheers!

'No monitor can beat my 46in Sony TV. 23in vs 46in? '

And yet The 23 inch will be equal or higher res. than the 46 inch.

HaMsTeYr, DING DING DING.

I wish to be able to play with a keyboard and mouse on my PS3 like I do on the PC.

I have been playing MW2 on both for awhile and do so much better on PC, but with all the hackers, I hate playing on the PC.

I'm torn between both.