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Microsoft won't release Service Pack 2 for Windows 7

By Shawn Knight
Oct 24, 2012
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  1. MrBungle

    MrBungle TS Booster Posts: 151   +64

    I suppose the next genius idea Balmer/Sinofsky have is going to be to auto update Win 7 machines with the Metro Interface via windows update...
     
  2. tipstir

    tipstir TS Ambassador Posts: 4,683   +86

    There are issues with MSE history under Windows 7 where as under Windows 8 it's called Windows Defender embedded. I am still on Windows 7 and I've been testing Windows 8 Preview for a few months. Windows 8 and Streaming media would need to sync-up before I would make the switch. I got 8 on Netbooks and had to trick the installer so it would see the netbook as 1024x768 instead of 1024x600 where 8 won't install on. It does now.
     
  3. Before you go blaming MS because of the updates required post install, you could learn to use any number of FREE tools out there that will update your source. But I'm sure bloviations of ignorance are much more useful.

    Or just keep whining because they actually made a product that was pretty darn stable and didn't need the 6 service packs that NT4 needed. Of course, you could also remember that NT4 SP7 was supposed to come out after Windows 2000 shipped and that promise was broken, but that would render your post devoid of emotional rantings without purpose.
     
  4. Geez you guys are analyzing this WAY too much.

    If you want to know what your lifecycle for your OS is on Windows 7, go look it up before you jump off the cliff. Since it is too much trouble for you to search I have provided the link. Windows 7 for the general public will still be 100% supported until 2015. For updates, it will continue until 2020. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/products/lifecycle

    As for you Linux guys, all enterprise quality Linux distributions do the same thing. You just have to use the Long Term Support models. If you want to go use some abstract form of LInux and waste time with Wine, be my guest. I want to spend more time using my computer than recompiling kernels and trying to figure out why Wine app XYZ stopped working yesterday when I got a software update. Sudo -Givememylifeback_Iactuallygetlaid

    For you Mac fans, Win8 Upgrades are priced just about the same as those service packs you buy every year. Did I say service packs? I mean OS upgrades. Yeah Yeah Yeah, there's new "functionality". Blah Blah Blah. Windows service packs have done that for years too. For free.
     
  5. Per Hansson

    Per Hansson TS Server Guru Posts: 1,932   +126 Staff Member

    Was this comment directed at my first comment to this news story?
    I mentioned right there that SRP1 for Win2K was supposed to be SP5.
    I actually did not know that SRP1 for NT4 was also supposed to be SP7, I did not switch to the NT branch untill Win2K, since gaming was quite impossible on NT4 ;)

    And a service pack is much more than the inclusion of XXX security updates, it includes all hotfixes too, and some of those you will not get without calling Microsoft and asking for it, and also confirming that you have whatever issue that the Hotfix is supposed to fix.

    Yes, and as I mentioned earlier that is gonna be very fun some 8 years from now when you do a fresh install of a Win7 SP1 machine.
    I hope you have a good internet connection and allot of time to waste for the 1000 or so updates that will be available via Windows Update...
     
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  6. McNasty

    McNasty TS Rookie Posts: 33

    Corporations are not happy about this, you risk running an unstable desktop OS or you spend a lot of money upgrading to Win8. MS, why not just hand your install base over to Apple directly?
     
  7. Hate to say it people, but you're doing exactly what Microsoft's Marketing & Sales teams wants you to do, here and in forums all over the the Windows world.
    Spread little pieces of information and lots of opinions that will circulate around and confuse people who for mostly thru no fault of their own, just don't know better.
    Not everyone is a Consultant, IT Manager or a Systems Engineer, working out there creating the Architecture for new Network designs, building and maintaining them, or keeping an IT department running smoothly.
    Microsoft is contractually obligated to provide extended support for Windows 7 thru January 14th 2020. Mainstream support will continue thru January 12th 2015.
    For comparison Extended Support for Windows XP is valid thru April 8th 2014.
    If Microsoft thinks they can do it without another Service Pack or Packs expect a new way for Microsoft to provide Update Services or at least a new name for it.
    Cheers,
     
  8. m4a4 said:
    I see it as there isn't enough updates to bother with another SP too, howzz1854. But we could be wrong...

    lol I just integrated close to 430 updates into my new image on top of sp1. I would hope that's enough to consider a new sp2. I was really counting on sp2 due to sp's installing smoothly and not having to deal with individual updates which are a pain in the *** because any one of them could potentially destroy your system depending on how your system is configured so you always gotta read and be careful and not just take there word for it. I definitely won't go to windows 8 I just bought 7 x64 ultimate sp1 so I wouldn't have to and still have my custom xp on my vm. I have just read to many bad things about 8 99% bad anyhow a occasional somebody who likes it they probably have a nice expensive touchscreen though. I'll live with what I got until win 7 dies and no-more updates then I think it's time to move on there's better os's out there for free just not compatible with everything windows is that's why I've stuck with windows but honestly last good year was windows 98 then MS blew up now they just push crap and don't care because they figure you have to buy it for as I said compatibility purposes if not your screwed and they'll charge you your kids college fund for it and go laughing all the way to the bank. Anyways I can't even keep my eyes open so that's my two cents for now.
     
  9. ROBERT J WALSH

    ROBERT J WALSH TS Rookie

    Well they can keep that ****ed windows 8.. It is the worst one yet.. I just went and got an apple..lets see how MS will deal with all the others like me who over the years have been faithful to them and the products they put out, now getting pissed enough to drop them..like they have use
     
  10. Sphynx

    Sphynx TS Rookie Posts: 35

    If you think Steam on Linux will spur a domino effect for other publishers to follow suit then you are in for a rude awakening.
     
  11. Sphynx

    Sphynx TS Rookie Posts: 35

    Speak for yourself. I've had abysmal experiences using Linux with WINE. And I wouldn't be surprised if you run into problems with WINE at some point in time.
     
     
  12. Sphynx

    Sphynx TS Rookie Posts: 35

    I disagree. Linux is hardly a viable alternative since I've had problems getting Linux to work with my printer and Linux is notorious for lack of drivers for hardware - especially printers, but that's not the only issue. Many of the Windows software I run are nonexistent on Linux and and the alternatives available on Linux are a joke compared to Windows counterparts, not to mention that gaming support on Linux is abysmal and it is a poor platform for HTPC (Linux shot itself in the foot by not implementing HDCP support).

    Linux is not without its uses (works great on servers), but for a box I use for both work purposes and entertainment, Linux just isn't a credible replacement. Even Linux zealots would advise (with great reluctance, I might add) against switching to Linux for the reasons stated.
     
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  13. Windows 7 is good and all.
    A second service pack for 7 would be great if it adds the useful 8 features and makes it perform faster.
    Sadly, there's an even better free OS that should be installed on laptops called Ubuntu.. Which performs even better than Windows and should already be Primary.
    But the most used OS on this planet is from MicroCan'tGetTheirSh*tRight.
     
  14. JC713

    JC713 TS Evangelist Posts: 7,018   +912

    Looking at past SPs, I notice that no improvements other than security enhancements were added. For example, if they were to make a new SP for Win 7, it wouldn't bring things like a new task manager... those are exclusive to Win 8
     
  15. avoidz

    avoidz TS Maniac Posts: 454   +54

    There should be at least two service packs for each Microsoft OS (the ones that are popular). I can see how Microsoft is afraid of creating another XP. Afraid of that kind of success again.
     


  16. Sadly, your so-called better free OS doesn't support the games I want to play nor there exists Windows software (especially the proprietary ones) that are compatible with Linux. And don't get me started on WINE which is obviously a poor substitute for native Windows environment.
     
  17. Sphynx

    Sphynx TS Rookie Posts: 35

  18. Pan Wah

    Pan Wah TS Enthusiast Posts: 134   +27

    It's puzzling, because Ubuntu (and many other distros) work fine for me (my main machine is currently on Pear Linux, which is a Ubuntu variant), it is great for work and play, no problems printing, networking, gaming, etc. etc.. I can only assume it must be a liveware issue? :confused::)
     
  19. Duckula22

    Duckula22 TS Rookie Posts: 55

    Autopatcher used to do it for free, but they (MS) just had to have their lawyers send them a cease and desist letter.
     
  20. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,811   +920

    And maybe if we all go to Redmond and click our heels together three times, we'll all wake up at home with a copy of Windows 9, with a start button, and touch disabled
     
  21. jmiles

    jmiles TS Rookie

    This is a simple one Gals and Guys. MS is floating the Win 8 boat, but at the same time, they have Win 7 to support to this I would agree. Would you encourage, as a business owner, your customers to hang back and see what happens? Also, I still want to know what happen to the Win 8 program director that he was sacked so shortly after the release of Windows 8. Microsoft may also be getting ready to sell-off some of its key business units or develop them into stand-alone business entities, to get the EU and US government off their backs. Oh by the way, Did I say "In my opinion"? Because if I did, I have no F*****G clue what I am talking about, it's all just a bunch of rancorous opinions. :eek:
     
  22. Man, I m no it manager, consultant or systems engineer, I m just a person being forced to use ms products for years, yes I would love to switch to Linux mint or a Ubuntu based os like xubuntu or lubuntu but there is something which prevents me, availability of the drivers(utilities) and programs I love, yes Ubuntu serves thousands of free software but nothing like cleaner, cheat engine, avg(firewall) etc. and of course games, yes Ubuntu serves many free games to download and play but most of them r like tetris and the ones which r 3d r not even quality enough as cs 1.5 yet. all we need is to wait for Linux to get more worldwide so independent program producers like iobit etc. start producing programs also available to install and use on Linux systems which might also require all Linux producers to unite in 1 single release, there r uncountable amounts of file extensions (tar, gz etc.) of Linux systems which make it hard for producers like iobit to make installation packages for Linux, never even try Wine (a program(emulator) which emulates exe files to run on Linux) it is complete bullshit.
    3 years ago, when I gave a try to w7, I formatted it to xp sp3 back in the same day, there were great issues especially in compatibility(run in compatibility mode sux which I figured that day) and my favourite programs and most games did not work. 3 months ago, I upgraded my ram to 8 gb and figured that I need an x64 system to make use of all my ram which forced me to use w7 x64 as I saw how xp sp2 x64 (windows server 2003 indeed) sux too. 3 months ago, I also noticed that they finally managed to make the w7 usable after 3 years. so I believe windows 8 needs at least 2 or 3 years too to be able to be usable as I hear people complaining about not being able to find drivers(utilities), not being able to run some games and programs. a w7 sp2 would be good as I also believe that it servers hotfixes we cannot normally get via normal update. I guess only option is to be patient till our favourite programs and games r produced for Linux too.
     
  23. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TechSpot Paladin Posts: 6,090   +1,519

    I'm afraid I don't know what you are talking about. I have been using Windows 7 for 4 years. I downloaded Windows 7 Beta the first part of 2009 and have not had any usability complaints. I started out with the 32-bit version and then when released to manufacturer, I switched to 64-bit. As far as usability, I have not seen any changes that would effect usability. Perhaps you are referring to software titles refining their software to work in Windows 7.
     
  24. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,811   +920

    M$ is (allegedly), resolving software compatibility issues via update of it own volition.

    At least that's what the KB titles claim.

    Since I'm way too lazy to read a couple of dozen KB articles when I update a computer, I'll simply take their word for it.

    Since I don't install or uninstall software very often, nothing ever seems to change.

    I can only assume they've worked on software compatibility for software I don't use.

    The net result is this; in computing, as in life in general, "ignorance is bliss".
     


  25. Your only real option is to hope for those lousy Linux zealots to abandon their ridiculous philosophy that is preventing Linux from gaining worldwide recognition. Indeed, the main obstacle to Linux's mainstream acceptance is not the low market share, but the philosophy champion by the Linux zealots. For example, Linux zealots believe that there should be multiple Linux distributions and they should not embrace DRM. Commercial software vendors don't like the idea of developing software for an OS that is not monolithic like Windows (the reason is due to cost). However, what the vendors dislike the most are the zealots' asinine stipulation that vendors should release their proprietary software as open source. From the vendors' point of view, that's unacceptable since they have legitimate reason to keep them as proprietary (I.e. to protect their intellectual property rights). As you can see, until Linux zealots' attitudes change (not a chance in hell), Linux will never become a credible alternative to Windows or even Mac.
     


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