New Windows chief explains why Microsoft redesigned Windows

You don't get it do you. It is not the fact that the start menu is still there and can be turned on even though Microsoft doesn't want it turned on. It is the fact that if we don't fight to keep it Microsoft will remove the code in future OS designs. With that thought I will leave you to wonder how we will keep the Start Menu if we do not voice our opinions now on wanting to keep it.

Um what facts do you have? Sales figures? Microsoft does force or encourage many suppliers to ship Win8 with new PCs. Do you have actual upgrade figures?

By what metric? You haven't said any way Win8 is better than Win7.

Another point of view is that it adds unnecessary features and a cumbersome interface for a desktop user so it is a worse version? Why not stick with the more polished version?

Using a mouse on the Metro UI is pretty inefficient for operations such as minimise. Using the GUI for task switching is slow. Why bother using Metro for task management when keyboard is light years faster. The App search is annoying too... by default control panel items are not displayed in search results. You have to select the sublist rather than just have the sublist items displayed directly. Seems to lack polish.

And from my point of view, it can only get worse. It seems to me that M$ will start to exert more control over what is installable into Windows, (a la Apple), and force more and more people to to buy apps from them, and at the same time forcing independent developers out of the market.

In any event, everybody take a break and watch a video about "touch", and "touching".

I have no idea how old you are, but my dad was in the room when I clicked the video, he recognized it instantly and thought it was the next version of rick rolling

Everyone who wanted easy access to their most commonly used items in windows before 8 had the option to place them on their desktop. While I choose not to operate in this manner, I know many people who do. Personally, I'm not buying her argument.

You're so right. And to think I wasted all this time reading this stupid thread, a repeat of countless other threads on the subject, and actually thought of responding to it. I feel so ashamed.

As a regular user, I just a bit traumatic with Window Vista, does this new Window8 will do the same thing again to me?

This just sounds like damage control from Microsoft. With Windows 7 their was no need to explain why/how it worked, people just liked it and used it. With Windows 8, Microsoft has to show you that in 6 weeks you'll be fine. Are they going to pay for the user training required? If Microsoft was going to create two environments why not just keep the Win 7 style desktop and add the Metro style environment, then add a boot into environment switch, easy. But, no, they are clonning the Apple model and some things got lost in translation. All this really means though, is users are free to choose to whatever OS (Microsoft, Apple, Linux, etc) that they want, just as they had before.

When all people are arguing or complaining Windows 8, MS itself maybe preparing the next version of Windows which need to pay subscription just like premium AV programs

"We didn’t want you to have to make a choice."

Oh, that's so sweet of you. Can you please come over and pick out what I am supposed to eat for dinner also? I just don't feel smart enough to make my own choices.

I am so glad Microsoft is looking out for my best interest. First the government takeover of healthcare. Now Microsoft's takeover of the desktop. So many good people in the looking spending the days and nights putting their own interests aside for me. Kinda makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

Yeah, take away all our choices so that we don't have to make any.

So many butthurt haters lol. I've been using Windows 8 on my desktop computer since shortly after release and the Start screen is great. I also still use Windows 7/Server 2008 R2 daily so I have a good idea of how both work by comparison and I would choose the Start screen over the menu every time.

Some people are just ignorant and suck at adapting I guess.

And yet, here @ post #67, you persist...... And now "I'm mad at myself", for taking the time to respond to your, "I'm mad at myself" rant.... I guess it's true, misery does love company, or does it....?

I'm guessing you could also adapt to a dress code and wear a pink and green uniform. Sure you could adapt but would you want to? I guess that would also depend on the person. Not everyone has the same desires, so quit throwing stones at those of us who do not like the direction that Microsoft is headed in. Sure we can bring back the start menu manually, but if we do not voice our desires to keep it, Microsoft will assume no one wants it for future OS designs.

For the record, I don't want to adapt mainly because I don't agree with the cosmetic design. It has nothing to do with my ignorance of the product. The second reason is I feel I'm not getting my moneys worth, when I choose to ignore or disable practically every feature. The third reason is lack of choice. Microsoft has made it clear they don't want the user to have choices.

My, my, such swagger, skill, and self confidence. That deserves a cheer...!

Why not, Steve Sinofsky did......

Although to tell the truth, he does look like a character from the "Village People". This brings a whole new dimension to the term, "metro-sexual". (Of course the pun was intended).

I'm guessing a pink, over the shoulder laptop handbag would complete the ensemble......

I'm pro-productivity. I work on the platform developing every day. I have an MSDN subscription and install the latest versions of every office and development related MS product as soon as they are released so these complaints are from experience. As a developer I don't want to take a backward step in productivity. VS2012 was "social-mediaified" (Pending Changes is unusable compared to VS2010 - I don't care about the UI theme changes really but many do), Office 2013 looks to be solid with no discernable advancements or drawbacks, Win8 doesn't seem to have any discernable advantages (apart from perhaps better SSD support which if MS really wanted to, they could include in a Win7 service pack as it is just extra support in the kernel).

The Win8 copy dialog is nice... there are 3rd party free tools that do the same thing for Win7 and earlier and have been around for many years.

A touchscreen based interface for desktops is laughable. Seriously, how comfortable is touching a 24", 27" or 30" screen all day? While mouse and keyboard works on it, it clearly is not designed for them.

I would love for MS to come to our workplace and demonstrate how Metro works in our environment.

Good one - touche' - I was tired at the time and had been reading comments about Win 8 for hours, and it just hit me, are we all really so bored that this is all we have to worry about? I guess the answer is "yes"

hood6558 said:
"Good one - touche' - I was tired at the time and had been reading comments about Win 8 for hours, and it just hit me, are we all really so bored that this is all we have to worry about? I guess the answer is "yes".

God you are so right. I've spent the past 20 years trying to decide what to do with my life. And I had no real purpose in life until Windows 8 was released. Now, I have a reason to live. My purpose in life has become to troll Windows 8 threads for no other reason than pure bordem. Sure, I could be playing some cool FPS games like TF2, Battlefield 3, any one of the fine series of COD games, going to the gym to life weights, watching cool movies, trying to pick up girls or working on finishing my college degree in CSIS. But those things don't seem to give me real purpose.
Therefore, I post my opinions about the pathetic Windows 8 operating system for absolutely positively no other reason on planet earth than to simply ***** out of maddening bordem.
Your one of the few people who have figured it out. You must have a degree in psychology. Thank you helping us all. I cannot change until I realize that I must.