Nvidia is asking graphics card retailers to prioritize gamers over miners

Communism is coming back! I grew up in one, I would know. Why don't they just ramp up the production at TSMC? Cryptocurrencies crash? No way! Cryptocurrencies will never die. After the fall of subprime mortgages, it's a perfect next best tool for speculation.

No it has nothing to do with communism or capitalism.

People are buying video cards and stocking up on them. Because they know the price is going up every year than they will sale it and make money.

Dam I should buy 100 video cards keep it for three years and sale it and make money. With the price going up every year.

But if the market crashes you could also lose money.

Say you buy 100 video cards and each card cost $500 and in 3 years it now cost $900 and you try to sal it to make profit of $400 increase. Yea how do you know in 4 years the demand is still there or the market cools down and the price drops?

To me it seems like gambling.
 
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Communism is coming back! I grew up in one, I would know. Why don't they just ramp up the production at TSMC? Cryptocurrencies crash? No way! Cryptocurrencies will never die. After the fall of subprime mortgages, it's a perfect next best tool for speculation.

No it has nothing to do with communism or capitalism.

People are buying video cards and stocking up on them. Because they know the price is going up every year than they will sale it and make money.

Dam I should buy 100 video cards keep it for three years and sale it and make money. With the price going up every year.

But if the market crashes you could also lose money.

Say you buy 100 video cards and each card cost $500 and in 3 years it now cost $900 and you try to sal it to make profit of $400 increase. Yea how do you know in 4 years the demand is still there or the market cools down and the price drops?

To me it seems like gambling.

VLT gambling maybe where its fixed, Don't do it.. just as your ready to sell all them cards, Volta hits the ground running and your building a bunch of mining rigs to try get your money back.or crypto really crashes and the market is flooded with boatloads of used /baked gpu's,
 
At least Nvidia sells their cards via their site... AMD links you to one of the price gouging sites.

It's time to just switch to laptops or wait for the Xbox One X to get Keyboard and Mouse Support.
 
At least Nvidia sells their cards via their site... AMD links you to one of the price gouging sites.

It's time to just switch to laptops or wait for the Xbox One X to get Keyboard and Mouse Support.

If AMD were to sell directly, all their board partner could leave them. They cannot do that to Nvidia, because they basically own the market. FYI the board partners do not like Nvidia selling cards directly because it cuts into their profit.
 
If AMD were to sell directly, all their board partner could leave them. They cannot do that to Nvidia, because they basically own the market. FYI the board partners do not like Nvidia selling cards directly because it cuts into their profit.
That makes sense.
 
@cliffordcooley Well Cliff, when Nvidia cooked up those boards, the company was well aware of their cost to produce, and the profit margin they expected to see, when the sold the entire lot. I see Nvidia selling boards off their site, as a way to rein in unscrupulous retailers. After all, Nvidia sold those units to dealers at a specific cost, and a list price commensurate with their dealers making a reasonable return on their investment.

So here's a little math. Let's say the dealer cost of a GTX-1050 ti, was a hundred dollars, and the list price was $150.00. If the dealer sold the board at list price, they would turn a 33% "gross profit margin".

All of a sudden, the dealer starts selling the same board for $200.00. Now their profit margin is 50%. However, Nvidia has set the list price at a point which is fair for everybody, them, their dealers, and the end users.

IMHO, it's a slam dunk that customers will start blaming Nvidia for the price gouging, lack of inventory, and whatever else springs to mind, when it's really the dealers who are reaping the lion's share of the profit. So, and I believe rightfully so, Nvidia starts selling boards around the dealers to preserve their good reputation.

Now, and you can correct me on this, I believe whatever boards Nvidia is selling, are "reference boards", at the stock clock frequency, with all other "reference parts", the coolers and such. So, their partners / distributors install features in the boards they sell, above and beyond Nvidia's "plain Jane offerings". Which is the reason why customers would normally opt to buy EVGA or Asus, as opposed to buying direct from the manufacturer.

I can link you to "OutletPC, who is now trying to sell GTX-1050s, at the $400.00 price point! When you have greedy parasites like this in the food chain, both Nvidia's partners and customers, should thank heaven, that at least Nvidia is making an honest effort to put a lid on bullsh!t like that.

If AMD were to sell directly, all their board partner could leave them. They cannot do that to Nvidia, because they basically own the market. FYI the board partners do not like Nvidia selling cards directly because it cuts into their profit.
To be fair to Nvidia, their partners pre-ordered the number of units they could afford, or believed they needed to cover potential sales. The partners also more than likely, had the opportunity to pre-order more than they did. But then Gigabyte would be bi!tching about MSI, "hogging all the inventory". I don't think there's a way to keep everyone happy, with the current market dynamics such as they are.
 
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The other thing is that nVidia is now ramping up production of the Volta line which will further decrease production of 10** series in the next 2-3 months. Before release they are trying to meet initial demand like always. So stock up!
 
No f-king retailer is going to reduce the price in "conscience" of good selling practice. Retailers' main mean of existence is profit.

If the asking price is high, and there are unscrupulous miners, why would they deny selling them.

In the end, both Nvidia and the retailers come out smiling, thanks to the f-king so-called cryptocurrency miners.

On the other hand, demanding games nowadays are nothing to shout about anyway. They are either sequels of sequels or another same-old, same-old or another remake or rehash, with dying ideas of gaming designs and originality. No use getting the latest and greatest graphics card to play them... unless people have money to burn.
 
In another perspective, no one knows who's buying for gaming and who's buying for mining, do they?

Seems like people can afford the cards no matter who they are, or what they are using them for.

Even a person who buys "just" one or two cards, may use them for mining...right? No one knows ...

.....

Whatever... I'm getting tired of all this...
 
..[ ]...In the end, both Nvidia and the retailers come out smiling, thanks to the f-king so-called cryptocurrency miners....[ ]....
Well, it's only true in the case of Nvidia, if they're jacking up the dealer cost of boards which they are now shipping, which doesn't seem to be the case.

I think Nvidia itself's response to the current situation, has been measured, reasonable, and humane.
 
Why don't you just increase GPU production to keep up with demand?
I really hate to point out the obvious, but from the article:
Remember, Nvidia and AMD don’t own the semiconductor manufacturing plants that produce their GPUs, which are running at near or total capacity as it is, and they can’t just ramp up production in the short term.
 
Good PR, however can't possibly change anything.
Got that right!

After all, isn't this what nVidia wants anyway? I mean, look at their prosumer and data center cards. Except for DP compute which is maybe 2X a 1080 Ti, prosumer and data center cards are hardly anything more than slightly enhanced versions of their "consumer" cards. SP compute power is the same on cards with similar GPUs and nVidia attempts to justify the price difference by hacking their EULA for data centers and saying "the drivers are better." I call total BS on that. To me, this is akin to crApple saying about the antenna fiasco "you're holding it wrong."
 
In another perspective, no one knows who's buying for gaming and who's buying for mining, do they?

Asymmetry. If you buy multiple GPUs and no SLI bridges, or multiple PCI extensions and a single motherboard, etc. you're probably a miner.
 
Why can't you guys read the rest of the thread, jeez you guys are annoying. You guys are so quick to argue you can't tell that you've all been trolled.

Going back to the topic, you'd think they would love mining, it means they make more money. Frankly, I don't care what they think of mining. I own it once I buy it and I can shove it unmentionable places or run it over with my car.

There is a massive market saying "we want more graphics cards, make them!" and the manufacturers "we don't want you using our product like that".

This mining thing has been an upcoming issue for almost 5 years now. They have had 5 years to figure out the logistics of increasing production. This is the manufacturers fault, not the miners.

Instead of embracing the new market they ignored it and now both gamers and miners are pissed. It's easy to push this off on the miners for PR purposes but this is mostly ignoring and not embracing their biggest market.
 
Suddenly the Founder Editions, which everybody (including me) mocked when they were announced, start to look tempting. In nVidia's site a GTX 1070 Ti apparently costs $450 compared to the >$850 that Amazon or its sellers are asking.
 
Why can't you guys read the rest of the thread, jeez you guys are annoying. You guys are so quick to argue you can't tell that you've all been trolled.

Going back to the topic, you'd think they would love mining, it means they make more money. Frankly, I don't care what they think of mining. I own it once I buy it and I can shove it unmentionable places or run it over with my car.

There is a massive market saying "we want more graphics cards, make them!" and the manufacturers "we don't want you using our product like that".

This mining thing has been an upcoming issue for almost 5 years now. They have had 5 years to figure out the logistics of increasing production. This is the manufacturers fault, not the miners.

Instead of embracing the new market they ignored it and now both gamers and miners are pissed. It's easy to push this off on the miners for PR purposes but this is mostly ignoring and not embracing their biggest market.
They have explained that. There is this big fear that mining will collapse and they will be left with inventory that they cannot sell. That fear is being stoked by economists and everyone else spreading FUD about mining. Until forces other than those who actually mine embrace this as something here to stay and not the latest fad, mining will remain the latest fad that everyone must be crazy to embrace.

Do you always poke through every single response in a long thread? Ignore me if you do not like my contributions.
 
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I don't know why they just don't produce more and sell to everyone. This limited supply thing is all a scam to drive prices up.
 
They have explained that. There is this big fear that mining will collapse and they will be left with inventory that they cannot sell. That fear is being stoked by economists and everyone else spreading FUD about mining. Until forces other than those who actually mine embrace this as something here to stay and not the latest fad, mining will remain the latest fad that everyone must be crazy to embrace.
Something people don't see about crypto is that it's being used in developing nation's and economies, especially those with oppressive governments. It's really popular as a currency in Africa and south America with Venezuela topping the list of nation's adopting crypto(citizens, not governments).

Crypto is here to stay and the thing about GPU mining is that the further decentralizes crypto to take it out of the hands whales. These companies is are following the lead of their government. Nvidia, a South Korean company, is being pressured to drop this crypto thing. You don't hear about the other 80% of the world that is embracing crypto, just the negatives.

Prices started to increase slightly around 2012 with the 600 series but they were mostly stable and markup was only about 20-30 over MSRP. 900 series rolled around and the shortages started with about a $50-100 premium depending on the card, but still widely available. Now we are on Pascal and it's near impossible to get a card at any price.

They we're wrong and they continued be wrong year after year. Block chain technology is more than just a store of value. You can build an infinitly scale able cloud storage company at home using block chain tech. You can get paid to sell your computing power to researchers using block chain.

The block chain is more than a ledger used to store speculative value. It is a viable way for anyone to make money selling computing power. Would you rather a few hundred companies control cloud services or would you rather have it be that hundreds of millions of individuals around the world can have a piece of the pie?

Do you always poke through every single response in a long thread?

Yes, that way I avoid being one of several people arguing with someone when they already made a response to it a fee posts after their first comment.

And it's easier to find targets to troll if I read every post. Lot of potential gold in there!
 
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