arrowflash
Posts: 584 +696
Wait, wait, wait, time up. You think your SSDs will last forever and never fail?
PCIe 4.0 vs. PCIe 3.0 SSDs: Latest drives from Corsair, Sabrent and Gigabyte tested
- Thread starter William Gayde
- Start date
Wait, wait, wait, time up. You think your SSDs will last forever and never fail?
daveteauk
Posts: 35 +6
Of course I don't expect it to last forever and maybe never fail. But there's much MUCH more chance, by a massive amount, that they'll last longer and are vastly more reliable than any spinning HD. Anything can fail, at any time, even a new SSD, but you're talking about trusting your data to something. Surely a chip is more reliable than a spinning mechanical device. That wasn't a question btw.
Lol its so funny all the people posting about blistering speeds from nvme ssd ....
when do you people really look at the true performance of the drives.
the nvme only are super fast if you have very have multi user loads and I am pretty sure 99,95 of you all users is not having that.
Why because that only happens when its used on enterprise tasks with many users trying to get the same data from the same drive
when do you people really look at the true performance of the drives.
the nvme only are super fast if you have very have multi user loads and I am pretty sure 99,95 of you all users is not having that.
Why because that only happens when its used on enterprise tasks with many users trying to get the same data from the same drive
Well as long as they are being fed with power they can last long, however I can promise that hdd drives are better suited for long storage periods but even those need to be refreshed once at so many months.
Every storage device has a risk of failing, even though I love ssd and by that I do not mean nvme ssd those are good for laptops and small amounts of data.
I love enterprise ssd and hdd drives for secure storage more, but I admit even those can fail.
If a fail happens on a hdd your often loose only a small amount of data.
When a fail happens on ssd it often happens the complete ssd goes out.
And restoring data from them becomes very hard, so key is to make mutliple backups of your important data on different locations to make sure you do not loose any of it
I have almost allways 5 backups at different places for my important data.
Yes even on 2 seperate 10 TB disks at 2 different locations, also on a nas and 2 versions on bluray disks. By that making sure I can allways get my data back.
Last edited:
cliffordcooley
Posts: 13,141 +6,441
@Theinsanegamer
Could not have said it better thanks.
I spended several thousands of dollars in the paste on failure synthetic benchmarked items being the fastest ever products......
I learned valuable lessons to really read what they actually are being fast for.
Now its in most cases been not my money, but I bought private a lot of those so called super fast products as well. When you need a drive its very wise to consider what is the best to choose, most just see the numbers and get exited about those high figures.
But when they actually do real tests with them most will see they bought just fake bragging rights for their money.
Again although some users can benefit from fast nvme ssd most simply never do.
It has nothing todo with reading large data, its filling the queue depth of the drive to actually reach that insane number. And as I said before 99,9% of the people never come close. I certainly never gonna spend useless money if I can get much better gear for the things I do. So my choice is clear I rather buy a much larger ssd for almost the same price.
My next machine will probably be a AMD wrx80 to replace my current workstation and I will put a itx board in the case for the casual gaming this time. No more extra towercase needed just a super large tower to stuff next to my 2,8 x 1,2 m large desk.
Do not get me wrong I am not saying I have no nvme drive because I have 2 x 1 TB samsung 970 in my machine
These are primarily used for loading my programs data so both have a 256 Gb partition for data and a second partition of 128 Gb for my ramdisk and the rest is kept in reserve on the other 8 ssd I have a similar setup which also have all a 128 Gb partition for the ramdisk from each ssd. Then I created a raid0 on them and assigned 128 Gb of memory as well as being the first drive in this setup which is used to work directly on. Mainly used for packing / unpacking data and for all temp files used when the calculations and work on the data is done.After finished its being written to the raid storage of enterprise drives. and a copy of it send to my nas with 144 TB storage. After its send to the places where it is needed I keep a copy of the data on several places and once every 2 weeks I clear the no longer needed storage and backups. its up to the clients to make their own backup because my storage is expensive
For those who have no clue how fast a combined raid0 ssd/nvme/ram disk try to run a smaller one and see how fast that is. I can promise you it surpasses the fastest disk you ever can buy, yes even the 4 x nvme pci-e x16 card I had tested on the threadripper was slower. But I am pretty sure most of the users here do not have over 256 Gb of ram in their machines either
Could not have said it better thanks.
I spended several thousands of dollars in the paste on failure synthetic benchmarked items being the fastest ever products......
I learned valuable lessons to really read what they actually are being fast for.
Now its in most cases been not my money, but I bought private a lot of those so called super fast products as well. When you need a drive its very wise to consider what is the best to choose, most just see the numbers and get exited about those high figures.
But when they actually do real tests with them most will see they bought just fake bragging rights for their money.
Again although some users can benefit from fast nvme ssd most simply never do.
It has nothing todo with reading large data, its filling the queue depth of the drive to actually reach that insane number. And as I said before 99,9% of the people never come close. I certainly never gonna spend useless money if I can get much better gear for the things I do. So my choice is clear I rather buy a much larger ssd for almost the same price.
My next machine will probably be a AMD wrx80 to replace my current workstation and I will put a itx board in the case for the casual gaming this time. No more extra towercase needed just a super large tower to stuff next to my 2,8 x 1,2 m large desk.
Do not get me wrong I am not saying I have no nvme drive because I have 2 x 1 TB samsung 970 in my machine
These are primarily used for loading my programs data so both have a 256 Gb partition for data and a second partition of 128 Gb for my ramdisk and the rest is kept in reserve on the other 8 ssd I have a similar setup which also have all a 128 Gb partition for the ramdisk from each ssd. Then I created a raid0 on them and assigned 128 Gb of memory as well as being the first drive in this setup which is used to work directly on. Mainly used for packing / unpacking data and for all temp files used when the calculations and work on the data is done.After finished its being written to the raid storage of enterprise drives. and a copy of it send to my nas with 144 TB storage. After its send to the places where it is needed I keep a copy of the data on several places and once every 2 weeks I clear the no longer needed storage and backups. its up to the clients to make their own backup because my storage is expensive
For those who have no clue how fast a combined raid0 ssd/nvme/ram disk try to run a smaller one and see how fast that is. I can promise you it surpasses the fastest disk you ever can buy, yes even the 4 x nvme pci-e x16 card I had tested on the threadripper was slower. But I am pretty sure most of the users here do not have over 256 Gb of ram in their machines either
Last edited:
daveteauk
Posts: 35 +6
That is simply not true. A single user, myself for example, can be doing things which absolutely do benefit from these fast speeds. Video encoding, music file format changes/CD or film ripping/encoding, zipping up files - all these things benefit from a fast drive.
m3tavision
Posts: 1,440 +1,223
There are people who do not understand throughput, speed and IOPS....
And still don't know the difference between an SSD and a NVMe… and they are willing to play stupid over a price difference of a cigar, because they think like "system builders"... instead of an end-user.
And still don't know the difference between an SSD and a NVMe… and they are willing to play stupid over a price difference of a cigar, because they think like "system builders"... instead of an end-user.
BerserkGuts
Posts: 8 +0
HDD??? Missing comparise with HDD Because lot of people still that use so need seeing how slower that way
cliffordcooley
Posts: 13,141 +6,441
There are thousands of benchmarks that show the very thing you are asking. It is time to move on.
msroadkill612
Posts: 112 +43
what would concern me is raid5/1/10 etc taking forever to reconstruct after a fail - its a bigger chance of a second failure. even a 4tb is 8 hrs afaict.
True. But raid 5/6 is a far bigger risk as it takes far longer to rebuild over raid 1 or 10.
As an end user who's had every boot drive from mfm type, I can tell you my pci 4.0 nvme drive is by far the fastest c: I've ever had for general usage.
m3tavision
Posts: 1,440 +1,223
Yup, SATA is good enough for those who want slow data. Most everyone else uses NVMe for their boot drives.
My last 3 computer builds don't even have SATA drives, there is no point to them and they make your case look sloppy and outdated.
Thanks for this test. the take away for me is, wait for Intel's up coming replacement for the 905p. release time-frame said to be early next year, thats not that far off. now, if I could just get a new socket 1700 with DDR5 along with Intels new drive, ill be over the top happy.
I laughed when I saw the bar chart for PCMark 8 Storage Scores. It’s been a while since I've seen such a bizarre X-axis. Disappointing to see really.
Peter Kazmir
Posts: 7 +12
Will we soon (I hope) get an update with the Samsung 980 Pro and the Sabrent Rocket 4 Plus?
Latest posts
-
Samsung mocks Apple after iPhone alarm failures causes disruption- midian182 replied
-
AMD's gaming revenue plunges 48% and might not recover until 2025- Bobbydpue replied
