PlayStation 3 hacking lawsuit delayed already

You can agree or disagree I really don't care. My problem is i purchased it. I spent the $450 on the console. I own it, I don't rent it. After spending that much money I dare them to come just take it from me, or tell me how to use it.. If i brick it.. I should pay for it, it was my choice and sometimes I have to pay for those choices with the products I own. I'll gladly dish out $150 or the price of a new one if I break it.

Companies are getting away with alot of stuff that would not fly back in the day. If my car has a known issue with the seatbelt where hundreds or thousands of people are experiencing it, the company will do a recall and will fix my car for free. Now lets look at Sony and Microsoft. I have purchased both consoles. Both consoles have gotten the ylod and the rrod. Both are know issues from the manufacturer. Shouldn't is be recalled at their expense ? I think so.. it was bad design, so my options are either purchase a new one for 300-500 or get it repaired for 100-150. That is Bs, why aren't you people going after Sony and Microsoft for this, trying to make them own up to their responsibilites and fix the console for free?

As far as this bringing cheating to online.. come on guys.. you honestly believe this brings the cheating... My daughter plays COD (she is bad azz (don't remember which one)) our consoles were not "Hacked" she was showing me how to slide through doors, some jump glitch which if you did it just right it would hide the player... all this insane stuff right out of the box, no hacker needed. Now lets get to the game I play Madden.. omg.... are you serious? How bout the "skate juke" as I remeber it as.. I know a guy who worked for Sony as a gamer.. I swear when this "cheat" was in the game he could run back all kickoffs.. this guy rushed for over 1000 yards a game maybe passing once, or how bout the Nano's, 2010 version and even now.. you can do certain blitzes (no cheat needed) that the men come straight through the line, clearly a cheat.. again straight out of the box, or when you are beating someone and they disconnect and you get the loss.. all was done w/o hacker intervention. And all the retail game cheats.. hacker had nothing to do with that.. so pick a different battle cuz that one you won't win with me.

What about the software laws of being able to have a "working backup of my games"? I got a lot of neices and nephews.. they love coming to my house cuz I got all the games.. yes we own 3 xbox's, 2 ps3's 1 WI. Kids are taking game in and out of cases. I find them on the floor with Koolaid, Soda, Juice or food what ever was in their hand at the time (no my kids know better). I say to myself.. self.. it would be nice to copy the disk or have it on the Harddisk of the machine, for the kids to use, they are kids.. they don't mean to break it.. it isn't intentional.. but it happens. And if the game disk is ruined you have to buy another one.. so instead of spending $65 on a game In now have spent $130.

I've done it with my movies.. I own over 1500 moves.. all purchased by me... and converted on my media machine, no longer do childrens hands touch my valuable DVD's or Blue-Rays.

I also wanted to note.. when I purchased my 120gb slim I didn't know i no longer had Linux as an option to me.. now not that I use or need it.. but when I got my Backwards compatable PS3 it was cool that if I wanted to I could. I paid for those features. Which now brings me to another point.. now the PS3 arent backward compatable, or have linux or any other OS as an option. and I'm still paying the $440 range.. (so yes correction I now have 3 PS3, one which I have to send back to sony to get ylod fixed) So now I wonder where the value of my system has gone, HD are way cheaper then they have ever been.. so what gives ?

Me.

To all the *****s claiming the jailbreak is causing the influx of MW2 hackers: You are all *****s, these hacks have been around for months now, my brother plays MW2 constantly and he was encountering these hacks weeks before the jailbreak was released. If you look on youtube it even shows how you do it, and even if it did the 3.60 fw update is coming soon so it wouldn't be a problem for much longer.

Go geohotz man why you hate why pay for a consel if you cant use it why buy a game then it brakes so buy it again all software scams you but jailbreak fights back you can back up your games what you bought not piracy just saving money i aint backed up any games but still he is right to do what he wants with his consel i admit going online against hackers is annoying but he didnt make jailbreak for that




if you cant beat them

join them

Seems like the pro-Hotz group live in a make believe world and the anti-Hotz group is too serious about life. We could use more opinion from people somewhere in between.

Maybe you should read my post

we should be able to do what we want with anything we buy cause its our money and what we do with it is because of us. but stealing games is not cool you should pay for the games you play i can understanding downloading some game to try it while off line and seeing how it goes but downloading it then plaing it online and earning the same credits that somone who payed for the game and getting the same bonuses everyone else is getting.
I think homebrew is cool and i love revisiting my past with emulators and being able to play my ps2 titles on my ps3 that wasn't made for backwards compatablity. I feel like if you like a game you should buy it.
but when it comes to the device that plays the games or the games we buy themselves we should be able to do whatever we want with them. as long as it isn't helping other people steal and get all the perks without paying the price.
the only thing that would make me pirate games and that has in the past is price.
when you sell a game for 60 bux a pop and then sell an update or downloadable pack for an extra 10 bux and then little expantions for like 4.99 and **** like that just to get the full experience of the game that **** pisses me off and i think you should rethink your marketing arrangement. but when games become investments not just entertianment thats a problem. theres good and bad on both sides and no man can say who will emerge victorious.

I'll just go back to playing MW1. Finally I can use the G36 again!!!
Thanks GeoHot!

Absolute **** head. He's ruined MW2.

No, you can't do whatever you want with items that you own.

If you own a firearm, you can't give it to someone on the street.

If you own medical marijuana, you can't give it to someone.

If you own a house, you can't build additions to it without approval by the town.

You can't burn a cross in your yard, even if it is your cross and your yard.

You own your body don't you but you can't walk around town naked and you can't harm yourself.

Free speech has its limits. Whether people use the hack for good or for some otheri llegal activity such as piracy, it doesn't matter. You aren't absolved of guilt (if the court does find for Sony in this case). Otherwise you could justify seling illegal firearms without using the processes codified by law such as background checks, permits, etc.

hello ...
thank you! ... you somewhat succeeded in a few words summed it up, where i failed with essay
i think people are too selfish or short-minded to see the truth, they see what they true to them.
whatever you do, you are free, but your freedom stop right where someone's else freedom starts & that makes abusing system flaws, stealing, killing, hiding important facts, distributing security keys, re-publishing a book not written by you as illegal as immoral.
some would say a copy of a thing doesn't remove the original content from the author, this would be immature statement or deny of guilt for an artist ownership is about the work, whether it is in form of a media that can be mass produced or a sculpture, you just can't take it ,, so i'll always condemn piracy.
hacking isn't piracy but leads to it & only hypocrites sees the contrary.
what, you want such features ,,, ok me too i would like to protect my hard-earned money by protecting the original disks i paid, i would love to have a faster system & mostly can do whatever i want with my purchase, the physical material belongs to you, not the concept / design & the intended use! hacking my ps3 removes the real reason why i want to play with it, why would i do so to then say i play with it ...

anyway i just hope you all find what you are looking for but keep in mind that to whatever you do there will always be a consequence, good or bad, just face it with pride or humility but don't account others for your failures or lack of good sense... to this

cheers!

No, you can't do whatever you want with items that you own.
- Yes, you can, where there isn't a specific law saying you can't

If you own a firearm, you can't give it to someone on the street.
- That is because someone made a specific law saying you can't do that with guns

If you own medical marijuana, you can't give it to someone.
- Someone made a specific law saying you cant use drugs. (even if you own them!)
- Then someone said: "oh wait, you CAN use medical marijuana from special places"
- When they said you can use medial Marijuana, the same law said: "oh and its illegal to give it away"

If you own a house, you can't build additions to it without approval by the town.
- Someone made a law saying: "because you might be a bastard to your neighbours we wont let you build unless we approve it first"
- The law exists because it affects other people.

You can't burn a cross in your yard, even if it is your cross and your yard.
- The law says you can do and say whatever you want.
- EXCEPT you can't do/say hate speech.
- The court decided burning crosses was hate speech.

You own your body don't you but you can't walk around town naked and you can't harm yourself.
- Again, someone made a law saying you cant walk around naked.

So, you are wrong on every point (when trying to relate it to hacking the PS3).
Except for one thing, the only thing you didn't say.
The DMCA says you can't remove "Technical Protection Measures", UNLESS it is a mobile phone. YOU ARE allowed to remove TPM's from mobile phones.

Other than this (arguably retarded) law (DMCA) you are more or less allowed to do whatever you want.

Want a car analogy?
You are allowed to buy 2 cars.
You ARE NOT allowed to take 2 cars on to a public road and play dodgems (crash into each other) EVEN THOUGH YOU OWN THEM BOTH!!!
- The law says this is dangerous **for other people**.
But, here's the kicker.
You can take your 2 cars to a farm (that you own - you aren't allowed to trespass!)
And you can play dodgem car demolition derby ** AS MUCH AS YOU WANT **

How can this be!!?

When Sony originally marketed the PS3, they didn't market it only as a "gaming console". They marketed the PS3 as a computer, a media center, a blu-ray player, a social networking device (playstation home). Then Sony came along with a patch that took away the computer aspect of the deal, and the ability to make a ps3 cluster "super computer". Personally, I never used Other OS as it was painfully slow, though I PAID for a feature that is no longer accessible to me, and I want it back. As far as I am concerned, Sony went into breach of contract the second they released firmware that disabled Other Os, and therefore pulled out all the stops for people to do anything they please to their PS3. GeoHot included.

Congrats, George. Jailbreaking your iPhone doesn't allow other iPhone users to jump into my calls or screw with my apps, but releasing the PS3 root has completely destroyed the online portion of 2 games already. From this point forward, I'll have to consider hackers during every purchase decision. But hey, I can run a useless OS called Linux and accomplish nothing important on what used to be a great console, right? This isn't about piracy, M0R0N. This is about fragging the online gaming experience for hundreds of thousands of people so that a couple hundred people can put Linux on something more advanced than an Atari 2600 or a T-shirt. Who's the mad one here, Sony, or you? This is childish vandalism... vandalism you caused. Now you need to generate a hack to stop hackers from screwing with regular people on PSN. Get on it, you über LEET loser.

hello ...

sorry if repeating here:

1 - in absence of law, your freedom still stops at the start of another 1

2 - reverse engineering anything can lead to prosecution

3 - games developers, like music artists, publishers, in other words copyright owners can & will sue anyone owning a copy of their work without their express consent or it being legally obtained, freely or after a purchase & anyone trying to say that it's not theft, doesn't understand the concept of copyright infringement; it means stealing the right of use of something without the consent or having paid for the 'usufruct' ...

4 - hacking brings piracy & homebrew, but i never came upon homebrew that are really worth risking a system (won't go through that list again about fart machines ) ...but hacking also open the door to other wrongdoing people, this is a perfect example & won't touch only legit owners but also those having a hacked console so where's the real advantage ... just for you to play an 8 bit game on the HD console, having linux with GFX-access limitations & i'm sure not all those whining about loss of OtherOS did use it & it's not even about the principles but only respecting others & then you get what you deserved, whether good or bad.

now it has begun & because of a few immoral cheap owners, we are all going to suffer, thank you!

the aftermath will be a hard hit when this time big corporates will impose on governments & ISPs to take precautionary & punitive measures, it's going to be really bad!

to those saying you don't have cheaters that way on other platform, it is because the servers have implemented anti-cheat systems (steam/battle.net/Xbla), PSN will surely follow soon, but meanwhile PSN users can still find their accounts stolen, game experience spoiled until this is done & this can happen even on those servers... on PC they won't find the need doing so for they are mostly busy hacking to steal the game not the service behind & they put up easily alternative solutions, i know some lame pirate gamers who plays online with dedicated servers, on XBL, hacked consoles are banned & same will follow on PSN when SONY find a way to track them (contact the ISPs, it's totally possible & soon legal)

Geohot may not be directly responsible for this, but he is in fact for the mess because of his immaturity .. i hope they can sue him to do some social work like cleaning up that mess...

those who think hacking / piracy is good & other platforms other than theirs are bad no good sense at all

cheers!

You clearly don't remember when Sony deliberately placed a trojan on music CDs to infected their customers PCs with a rootkit as part of their insane anti-piracy efforts.

What's wrong? You don't like being hacked by Sony for pirating?

I hope this Sony takes this guy to the cleaners; I hope he is required to turn over all his computers to Sony.. As a playstation owner and online user, theres more to the storey than this geek is letting on. In recent weeks, I've noticed alot of hackes during online games.... Since the root key has been made public, thanks.

I do, the trojan that was planted was doing far more than DRM ... it was scanning computer contents and browsing habits and sending this information back to Sony for analysis. The U.S. government sued Sony for this little misadventure.

Do people realize that it was Geohot's fault that the OtherOs feature was removed in the first place because he said he was close to fully hacking the PS3? Sony only removed OtherOs to lock the "back door." They were protecting themselves yet people got angry at them when I feel that they should've gotten angry with Geohot

And unfortunately for Sony, fail0verflow kicked in the "front door" while Geohot gave away the keys to everyone while also asking for donations

And I think people should stop praising him so much. I mean, yes, he is a very talented programmer but is quite smug and immature and quite possibly the biggest attention ***** out there. He released buggy and glitchy jailbreaks to grab the spotlight; jailbreaks that the iPhone Dev Team didn't want released for good reason.

Finally, I have a feeling that sometime in the future, instead of being able to buy consoles and games, we are only going to pay a fee to license them. That way, the companies to have a legal way to say, "You can't do that." It will be ok as long as we use them as intended but stray away from that and you will get butt******.

Hey I bet most posters here have broken the law so those calling Geo Hot a criminal is just a bit stupid. Why do I think you have broken the law you may ask? Well if you have ever sold on or traded in a game, you have broken the terms of the agreement that states on the back of each game, and I quote
"all unauthorised access, use or transfer of the product or its underlying copywrite and trademark works is prohibited"
"Resale and rental are prohibited unless expressly authorised by SCEE"

Yep its there on each game, read the small print you common criminals. You should be locked up and throw away the key