Ryzen 7 5800X vs. Core i7-11700K vs. Ryzen 7 2700X: 30 Game Benchmark

[dirtyferret]

Blasphemy Steve! All true gamers know more cores = future proofing! You and your liberal fake news brethren need to stop this "overall performance regardless of cores" nonsense. Sure the i5-2500k is still faster than the phenom II x6 at gaming but it's only been a decade! Alternative facts show there is still time for the phenom II x6 to outperform the 2500k in gaming! The same thing will happen with the Ryzen 2700x outperforming the i7-8700k in gaming! It hasn't happened now (although internet rumors say it may happen by the end of August) and it may not happen in 2031 but by 2041 @ 1080p the "more cores = future proofing" cult will have the last bigly laugh!

 

[Neatfeatguy]

How did you know there was anything wrong with the performance of your setup back then ? How did you determine it was the CPU that was the problem ?

Having ran two GTX 280s in SLI before the move to the 570s, I know the performance increase should be much more significant in games with good driver support for SLI. Two GTX 280s in SLI are about on par with a single GTX 570 card, so a second 570 in SLI should see a very significant jump.

When comparing a single GTX 570 performance to both of them in SLI, the results were rather lack luster. A lot of games had low double digit % increase running SLI vs a single card and even a few saw practically no performance increase over a single 570.

Therefore, the only thing holding me back was the CPU. I knew the CPU would hold me back, but I was okay with the performance being a bit lacking until I could upgrade to a new CPU.

Once I moved to a better CPU, the 570s were no longer being held back and the performance jump was impressive. It felt like I had picked up a new high-end GPU as well.

 

[godrilla]

Whenever I get that horrible itch to think about upgrading my 9900K, articles like this soon dispel any such foolish notions.

..I reckon it will be a good enough CPU for another two generations of GPU (Nvidia 40xx & 50xx) before it will be a serious bottleneck and worth the expense of building a new rig.

Same here it will definitely be a while before my 9900ks on my 48 cx will be cpu bottlenecked at 4k 120hz.
By then ddr5 ram kits should be more palatable in terms of pricing too.
If you are gaming at 1080p the better upgrade would be your resolution/monitor.

 

[jpuroila]

Having ran two GTX 280s in SLI before the move to the 570s, I know the performance increase should be much more significant in games with good driver support for SLI. Two GTX 280s in SLI are about on par with a single GTX 570 card, so a second 570 in SLI should see a very significant jump.

When comparing a single GTX 570 performance to both of them in SLI, the results were rather lack luster. A lot of games had low double digit % increase running SLI vs a single card and even a few saw practically no performance increase over a single 570.

Therefore, the only thing holding me back was the CPU. I knew the CPU would hold me back, but I was okay with the performance being a bit lacking until I could upgrade to a new CPU.

Once I moved to a better CPU, the 570s were no longer being held back and the performance jump was impressive. It felt like I had picked up a new high-end GPU as well.

And what if it hadn't been that clear cut case? And even if it obvious that your CPU (for example) is the bottleneck, you still need to read reviews to figure out just how bad it is.

 

[parowOOz]

Having ran two GTX 280s in SLI before the move to the 570s, I know the performance increase should be much more significant in games with good driver support for SLI. Two GTX 280s in SLI are about on par with a single GTX 570 card, so a second 570 in SLI should see a very significant jump.

When comparing a single GTX 570 performance to both of them in SLI, the results were rather lack luster. A lot of games had low double digit % increase running SLI vs a single card and even a few saw practically no performance increase over a single 570.

Therefore, the only thing holding me back was the CPU. I knew the CPU would hold me back, but I was okay with the performance being a bit lacking until I could upgrade to a new CPU.

Once I moved to a better CPU, the 570s were no longer being held back and the performance jump was impressive. It felt like I had picked up a new high-end GPU as well.

Why did you even make that "upgrade" if you knew ahead of time you wouldn't get any meaningful uplift in performance due to your CPU ? You say you were fine with the performance "lacking a bit" right after stating you saw low uplift in performance or none at all. That is not "a bit". It actually calls into question your decision to go for two GTX570s in the first place.

Besides, how did you know your CPU would hold you back before getting new GPUs ? How did you determine that the i5 you chose wouldn't be holding your 570s back ?

 

[Neatfeatguy]

And what if it hadn't been that clear cut case? And even if it obvious that your CPU (for example) is the bottleneck, you still need to read reviews to figure out just how bad it is.

Watching reviews and seeing where tech is at is one thing, but needing a review to know if your system is working at a performance level that is acceptable for your own personal needs is not needed. If you honestly have to ask on a forum if your system is good enough for you or if you need to scrutinize every new piece of hardware that comes out to play the "Keeping up with the Jones" game, you won't ever be satisfied.

Why did you even make that "upgrade" if you knew ahead of time you wouldn't get any meaningful uplift in performance due to your CPU ? You say you were fine with the performance "lacking a bit" right after stating you saw low uplift in performance or none at all. That is not "a bit". It actually calls into question your decision to go for two GTX570s in the first place.

Besides, how did you know your CPU would hold you back before getting new GPUs ? How did you determine that the i5 you chose wouldn't be holding your 570s back ?

It's better to have a stronger GPU over a CPU if you were to be in a similar situation. I'd rather have a CPU that's a bit of a bottleneck for the GPU because once you can upgrade the CPU, you'll have a performance jump.

If I had moved to a better CPU and kept my 280s, I wouldn't have seen any kind of decent performance gains. I'd just have a faster CPU and very little performance increase in games.

Moving to a stronger GPU(s) provided some performance gains and once I finally moved to a better CPU I saw even more performance gains.

Not everyone can upgrade every device in their system at once. I chose to move to better GPUs first, then to a better CPU.

 

[Frozentundra]

You're splitting hairs to defend Intel, why?

My original statement still is valid: both Zen 2 and frequently Zen+ and Zen were good at gaming.

They didn't have to be the best and they did force Intel into releasing 6-core CPUs at reasonable prices. Had Intel released 6-core CPUs before AMD, their prices would have been much higher. That would have been corrected after AMD released Zen, but the Intel fans would already have been squeezed for their money.

Because Zen (and later Zen + and Zen 2) was good at gaming. That's the point. If they weren't then Intel would never have needed to be concerned. But they were, and responded accordingly.

Depends on what you call "good". Zen 1 and Zen 2, I would call them adequate, but there were certainly better choices for gaming only uses.

 

[Frozentundra]

Would have been nice to see the 30 game average for 5800x vs 11700k and 10600k.

 

[godrilla]

Watching reviews and seeing where tech is at is one thing, but needing a review to know if your system is working at a performance level that is acceptable for your own personal needs is not needed. If you honestly have to ask on a forum if your system is good enough for you or if you need to scrutinize every new piece of hardware that comes out to play the "Keeping up with the Jones" game, you won't ever be satisfied.

It's better to have a stronger GPU over a CPU if you were to be in a similar situation. I'd rather have a CPU that's a bit of a bottleneck for the GPU because once you can upgrade the CPU, you'll have a performance jump.

If I had moved to a better CPU and kept my 280s, I wouldn't have seen any kind of decent performance gains. I'd just have a faster CPU and very little performance increase in games.

Moving to a stronger GPU(s) provided some performance gains and once I finally moved to a better CPU I saw even more performance gains.

Not everyone can upgrade every device in their system at once. I chose to move to better GPUs first, then to a better CPU.

I remember my previous build with i7 980 xe 6 cores/12 threads at 4.3 ghz lasted me from dual 480s sc in sli till 1080ti ftw 3. The 1080 ti ftw 3 was able to handle metro exodus at extreme settings with hair works and tesselation on max by 3440 by 1440p 100hz gsyncsed at an average of 60fps. That cpu alone lasted about a decade and was able to handle everything on maximum. Its often hard to predict a future proof cpu but I realized that if you do decide to build a rig its better to get something that will not bottleneck after just one or two gpu upgrades. Currently 8 core 16 threads is the minimum going forward.
Update the gsync helped with frame variance.

 

[Lew Zealand]

Depends on what you call "good". Zen 1 and Zen 2, I would call them adequate, but there were certainly better choices for gaming only uses.

Agreed. I bought an i5-8400 after waiting for reviews of the R5 2600 and decided that for my uses the i5-8400 was a slightly better fit. That said, I now have an R5 2600 system in addition to the i5 and they are pretty much identical for gaming with the GTX 1080 and RX 5600XT GPUs I have.

 

[SG736F6]

I usually stretch my build for five years. These results show me I can probably still get away with that considering the games I play aren't modern and demanding titles. Looks like I can wait another year or two to upgrade. I'm running an x470 with a 2700X, a GTX 1080 FE, and 3200Mhz RAM at 1440p at 165 Hz and it's doing everything I need without any hiccups at all. For instance, I play World of Warcraft at native resolution on quality level seven (out of ten) and normally run at 100-120+ FPS easily. Right now I see no reason at all for me to upgrade it.

 

[Verrm]

I usually stretch my build for five years. These results show me I can probably still get away with that considering the games I play aren't modern and demanding titles. Looks like I can wait another year or two to upgrade. I'm running an x470 with a 2700X, a GTX 1080 FE, and 3200Mhz RAM at 1440p at 165 Hz and it's doing everything I need without any hiccups at all. For instance, I play World of Warcraft at native resolution on quality level seven (out of ten) and normally run at 100-120+ FPS easily. Right now I see no reason at all for me to upgrade it.

And rightly so! There is no need to upgrade your setup for at least 1-2 years. After this you'll have DDR5 CPUs and Motherboards, and it would make sense then to do the upgrade as it would then be CPU+MOBO+RAM and maybe GPU if you'll have budget. Save money as it will be costly but necessary.

 

[amstech]

Blasphemy Steve! All true gamers know more cores = future proofing! You and your liberal fake news brethren need to stop this "overall performance regardless of cores" nonsense.

Lol I thought when I logged in my account would be banned, not yet I guess! Haha.
Anyways great to see some truth posted here once in awhile.
According to site checker, Techspot's continuing decline, continues:
https://sitechecker.pro/app/main/traffic-checker-land?pageUrl=techspot.com

I'd post the image of the graph but basically their site traffic has decreased by nearly 1/3 in the last 6 months alone. This type of thing has happened to many 'woke' sites. So many journalists (and many mods on this site) are poorly disciplined liberals/brats filtering out anything that doesn't fit their liberal woke agenda, and injecting their spin/views on things like whimpering babies. We are living in the generation of the brat. Nothing will come of this woke liberal trashy nonsense, and no amount of news media spinning their nonsense will change anything. Race is not an excuse for incompetence.

As far as this article, forums are RIDDLED with AMD issues on new builds, mostly stuttering and choppy performance. The charts look nice but STILL, on 2021, after all this time, AMD only matches Intel's copy and pasted architecture from 2010 AND it still has issues. Like a Dodge Ram, its still a Dodge (2020 2500 has almost 50 recalls, my 2020 2500HD Silverado has 14) and AMD is still AMD, with the same quality issues, stuttering, and micro-stuttering issues across various builds and setups.

https://community.amd.com/t5/processors/5800x-brand-new-build-stutters/td-p/456635
https://www.pcspecialist.ie/forums/...tters-on-ryzen-7-5800x-and-6800-system.81902/
https://steamcommunity.com/app/805550/discussions/0/3111394481603275504/

Let me guess, a liberal mod will read this comment, delete it and say it's inappropriate?
But ya know whats not inappropriate? Losing another 33% of your traffic in 6 months.

 

[Lew Zealand]

Lol, what a laugh.

I checked a bunch of other tech review websites and the visit numbers are the same, lower from Dec-Jan and mostly flat after then because people visit these sites for tech recommendations for Christmas.

Thanks for sharing your axe to grind and personal narrative with us. And remember that accusations reflect on the accuser far more prominently than anyone accused.

 

[amstech]

I just checked Tomshardware and Anandtech's Traffic in the same period and their traffic doesn't support your statement. Stop the excuses, No one is visiting tech sites for 6 months before Christmas to look up data, thats for enthusiasts only. They do that because kids are back in school and the weather turns colder.
The only time traffic truly picks up is right before black friday and right during the Holiday season, this sad excuse for a reply is just whimpering.

 

[Neatfeatguy]

Lol I thought when I logged in my account would be banned, not yet I guess! Haha.
Anyways great to see some truth posted here once in awhile.
According to site checker, Techspot's continuing decline, continues:
https://sitechecker.pro/app/main/traffic-checker-land?pageUrl=techspot.com

I'd post the image of the graph but basically their site traffic has decreased by nearly 1/3 in the last 6 months alone. This type of thing has happened to many 'woke' sites. So many journalists (and many mods on this site) are poorly disciplined liberals/brats filtering out anything that doesn't fit their liberal woke agenda, and injecting their spin/views on things like whimpering babies. We are living in the generation of the brat. Nothing will come of this woke liberal trashy nonsense, and no amount of news media spinning their nonsense will change anything. Race is not an excuse for incompetence.

As far as this article, forums are RIDDLED with AMD issues on new builds, mostly stuttering and choppy performance. The charts look nice but STILL, on 2021, after all this time, AMD only matches Intel's copy and pasted architecture from 2010 AND it still has issues. Like a Dodge Ram, its still a Dodge (2020 2500 has almost 50 recalls, my 2020 2500HD Silverado has 14) and AMD is still AMD, with the same quality issues, stuttering, and micro-stuttering issues across various builds and setups.

https://community.amd.com/t5/processors/5800x-brand-new-build-stutters/td-p/456635
https://www.pcspecialist.ie/forums/...tters-on-ryzen-7-5800x-and-6800-system.81902/
https://steamcommunity.com/app/805550/discussions/0/3111394481603275504/

Let me guess, a liberal mod will read this comment, delete it and say it's inappropriate?
But ya know whats not inappropriate? Losing another 33% of your traffic in 6 months.

I'm not really sure what spawned this post and I'm not really sure what I read....., but the first article you posted ( https://community.amd.com/t5/processors/5800x-brand-new-build-stutters/td-p/456635 ) about stuttering issues - the person that posted that issue had resolved the problem. The most likely culprit, according to the OP, was the m2 ssd. Are you using that post to bash AMD or the company (that was unnamed) that manufactured the m2 ssd?

I haven't had time to read through the other two you posted, plus any steam site is blocked (flagged as "gaming" site) at my work so I couldn't read it even if I wanted to.

I know I had some issues with my 5900x when I first got it at the end of January this year, but those issues were resolved once 1.2.0.0 AGESA was released around the start of February. If folks aren't using at least 1.2.0.0 AGESA, they certainly may run into issues.

Also, folks using Corsair RAM with AMD 5xxx series CPUs can run into a lot of issues. For some reason Corsair RAM just seems to be kind of hit and miss.

 

[Lew Zealand]

I just checked Tomshardware and Anandtech's Traffic in the same period and their traffic doesn't support your statement. Stop the excuses, No one is visiting tech sites for 6 months before Christmas to look up data, thats for enthusiasts only. They do that because kids are back in school and the weather turns colder.
The only time traffic truly picks up is right before black friday and right during the Holiday season, this sad excuse for a reply is just whimpering.

I followed your link which showed TS's data from Dec-May. I also tried TPU, AT, TH, and ArsTechnica. Same pattern as TS: highest in Dec, lower in Jan, a little bump around Feb or Mar, and back to low in Apr & May.

Same thing on all 5 sites.

And your final comment is telling but only about yourself. Editorializing is making excuses, just stick to the information.

 

[amstech]

I followed your link which showed TS's data from Dec-May.

Then you see TS lost about 35% of traffic in that time.

Same thing on all 5 sites.

No site I listed dropped more then 20%, some didn't move at all, Anandtech and Toms haven't budged in the last 90 days.
So no, its not the same on 5 sites.

Editorializing is making excuses, just stick to the information.

Agreed, and keep the liberal woke nonsense out of your products, news and articles.

 

[amstech]

I'm not really sure what spawned this post and I'm not really sure what I read.

Same old AMD.

I know I had some issues with my 5900x when I first got it at the end of January this year, but those issues were resolved once 1.2.0.0 AGESA was released around the start of February. If folks aren't using at least 1.2.0.0 AGESA, they certainly may run into issues.

Also, folks using Corsair RAM with AMD 5xxx series CPUs can run into a lot of issues.

Same old AMD.
You can have it.

 

[Lew Zealand]

Then you see TS lost about 35% of traffic in that time.


No site I listed dropped more then 20%, some didn't move at all, Anandtech and Toms haven't budged in the last 90 days.
So no, its not the same on 5 sites.


Agreed, and keep the liberal woke nonsense out of your products, news and articles.

TS is down 29% from Dec and TPU is down 20%. Yup, a bit more but since we're starting from the most extreme portion of the data, we don't know if TS had an unusually busy Dec or not and therefore the regression to the mean is necessarily larger. Or the reverse.

Your calculation was wrong and your analysis specious. And yet again more useless editorializing at the end.

And didn't even quote the proper person in your next post, I don't have an AMD 5900x. Maybe a bit more attention to detail might help?

 

[parowOOz]

Watching reviews and seeing where tech is at is one thing, but needing a review to know if your system is working at a performance level that is acceptable for your own personal needs is not needed. If you honestly have to ask on a forum if your system is good enough for you or if you need to scrutinize every new piece of hardware that comes out to play the "Keeping up with the Jones" game, you won't ever be satisfied.

It's better to have a stronger GPU over a CPU if you were to be in a similar situation. I'd rather have a CPU that's a bit of a bottleneck for the GPU because once you can upgrade the CPU, you'll have a performance jump.

If I had moved to a better CPU and kept my 280s, I wouldn't have seen any kind of decent performance gains. I'd just have a faster CPU and very little performance increase in games.

Moving to a stronger GPU(s) provided some performance gains and once I finally moved to a better CPU I saw even more performance gains.

Not everyone can upgrade every device in their system at once. I chose to move to better GPUs first, then to a better CPU.

Why is it better ? You gained no meaningful bump in performance. What good is a strong GPU if you can't experience a difference ? In that situation it literally doesn't matter if you upgrade your platform - CPU, MoBo, RAM - first and then your GPU(s) or the way you actually did it. You still had to have BOTH to get meaningful results.

Moreover I would argue it's way better to invest in your platform first and start upgrading the rest of your system from there. You do not upgrade your mb or CPU as often as your GPU. Secondly it's not just a faster CPU you get with such an upgrade. New RAM version or simply support for faster modules, faster storage options possibly with a new form factor to boot - M.2, newer versions of USB, most likely a newer gen of PCIE bus which brings it's own benefits, especially for a dual GPU system. The list goes on. You seriously would rather have a beefy GPU with most of it's performance sitting idle rather than all that ?

In your particular case you went for 2 new cards. Why not buy a single GTX 570 and a new CPU+MB instead of the second one ? A single GTX 570 would be just as good (better actually since you don't deal with inherent drawbacks of dual GPU systems) as your previous setup and you would have all the benefits of a new platform. Doesn't that sound like a more reasonable way to go ?

Besides, let's not kid ourselves here, how did you know your CPU would hold you back ? How did you know to go for an i5 rather than a FX-whatever ? You had to look at tests/reviews. You need to know what's out there to even make a decision to upgrade. You also need to be aware of the performance of particular components to judge if the upgrade is even worth the trouble or in other words, if it's time to upgrade. Where can you get all that useful info ? Yep, that's right, a review site.

And like someone before me have already stated, you might not even be aware of what's out there, what you're missing out on. You might be fine with your current setup cause you have gotten used to it's performance. But once you learn your experience can be much better, you can decide it's time to upgrade. Look back at stuff like high Hz displays or SSDs. How did ppl know it was worth it ? Hell, how did they know there even were such things on the market ?

And sure, one can go your route - upgrade willy nilly and hope for the best. That however is not a wise tactic. That's the funny part here - you are a prime example of why you shouldn't decide when/if it's time to upgrade without consulting at least a few reviews. It's allways better to educate and inform yourself before making a decision to upgrade. Otherwise you might end up with new piece of hardware which barely gives you any improvement over your previous setup. But that's just me.

 

[Neatfeatguy]

Why is it better ? You gained no meaningful bump in performance. What good is a strong GPU if you can't experience a difference ? In that situation it literally doesn't matter if you upgrade your platform - CPU, MoBo, RAM - first and then your GPU(s) or the way you actually did it. You still had to have BOTH to get meaningful results.

Moreover I would argue it's way better to invest in your platform first and start upgrading the rest of your system from there. You do not upgrade your mb or CPU as often as your GPU. Secondly it's not just a faster CPU you get with such an upgrade. New RAM version or simply support for faster modules, faster storage options possibly with a new form factor to boot - M.2, newer versions of USB, most likely a newer gen of PCIE bus which brings it's own benefits, especially for a dual GPU system. The list goes on. You seriously would rather have a beefy GPU with most of it's performance sitting idle rather than all that ?

In your particular case you went for 2 new cards. Why not buy a single GTX 570 and a new CPU+MB instead of the second one ? A single GTX 570 would be just as good (better actually since you don't deal with inherent drawbacks of dual GPU systems) as your previous setup and you would have all the benefits of a new platform. Doesn't that sound like a more reasonable way to go ?

Besides, let's not kid ourselves here, how did you know your CPU would hold you back ? How did you know to go for an i5 rather than a FX-whatever ? You had to look at tests/reviews. You need to know what's out there to even make a decision to upgrade. You also need to be aware of the performance of particular components to judge if the upgrade is even worth the trouble or in other words, if it's time to upgrade. Where can you get all that useful info ? Yep, that's right, a review site.

And like someone before me have already stated, you might not even be aware of what's out there, what you're missing out on. You might be fine with your current setup cause you have gotten used to it's performance. But once you learn your experience can be much better, you can decide it's time to upgrade. Look back at stuff like high Hz displays or SSDs. How did ppl know it was worth it ? Hell, how did they know there even were such things on the market ?

And sure, one can go your route - upgrade willy nilly and hope for the best. That however is not a wise tactic. That's the funny part here - you are a prime example of why you shouldn't decide when/if it's time to upgrade without consulting at least a few reviews. It's allways better to educate and inform yourself before making a decision to upgrade. Otherwise you might end up with new piece of hardware which barely gives you any improvement over your previous setup. But that's just me.

Wow. Let it go.

I'll quote myself again so you can make sure you didn't miss it:

"Watching reviews and seeing where tech is at is one thing, but needing a review to know if your system is working at a performance level that is acceptable for your own personal needs is not needed. If you honestly have to ask on a forum if your system is good enough for you or if you need to scrutinize every new piece of hardware that comes out to play the "Keeping up with the Jones" game, you won't ever be satisfied."

 

[amstech]

TS is down 29% from Dec and TPU is down 20%. Yup, a bit more but since we're starting from the most extreme portion of the data, we don't know if TS had an unusually busy Dec or not and therefore the regression to the mean is necessarily larger. Or the reverse.

You have a hard time dealing with reality don't you?
Most liberal journalists do, which is a job just above flipping burgers, making what...35K a year?
Back to the data, many other tech sites have not EVEN budged in the past 90 days, and Techspot has been in free fall. Stop with the self bullshitting, I have the traffic results open on 5 different tabs with anandtech, toms and others. Jesus Christ man, anyone can google the traffic data.

Your calculation was wrong and your analysis specious.

What calculation are you talking about? Who are talking to?

And yet again more useless editorializing at the end.

This is liberal whimpering.

Maybe a bit more attention to detail might help?

You going to fix my typo's too?
This site has went downhill year after year, with less traffic on average the past 3 years.
And I love every second of it.

 

[Lew Zealand]

You have a hard time dealing with reality don't you?
Most liberal journalists do, which is a job just above flipping burgers, making what...35K a year?
Back to the data, many other tech sites have not EVEN budged in the past 90 days, and Techspot has been in free fall. Stop with the self bullshitting, I have the traffic results open on 5 different tabs with anandtech, toms and others. Jesus Christ man, anyone can google the traffic data.


What calculation are you talking about? Who are talking to?


This is liberal whimpering.


You going to fix my typo's too?
This site has went downhill year after year, with less traffic on average the past 3 years.
And I love every second of it.

I followed the first link you sent and used that information for the site traffic. If you can't follow your own simple logic and instead prefer to spout non-tech related political views, then enjoy your personal narrative.

Do you also go to politico.com and waste time complaining about video card prices?

 

[MaxSmarties]

Yes they were, both Zen 2 and frequently Zen+ and Zen were good at gaming.

They weren't great at 1080p gaming with a 6900XT. Which didn't exist yet. And if you're using a 6900XT at 1080p, you're doing it wrong.

They were OK at gaming with a 2080Ti at 1080p (also a waste) and only slightly behind at 1440p, but if you're spending $1200 on a GPU, just get the best gaming CPU which was Intel at the time. Once you get to a relatively normal higher end setup like a 2070 Super at 1440p, the 2600x or 3800x were only a few % slower than Intel, which would not be noticeable in-game.

That is *good* in gaming.

They actually were at least 10% slower than Intel at 1440P (I had a 3900X at the time), so that wsn't exactly "good" in my opinion. I was more than pleased by my 3900X, because gaming wasn't my only activity on the PC.
But if you think about the too much touted Ryzen 3600, I still think it wasn't a good CPU for gaming.