What I would really like to see is this same test, but with something other than a 4090. I would love to see a test that figures out "if you have this GPU, then this is what you should spend on a CPU". It doesn't matter how they perform with a 4090 unless you're going to spend $1600 on a price-is-no-object GPU, which most of us are not.... And I'd guess that most people who are going to, are also going for the highest end CPU to go with it - not $400 ones.
Ryzen 7 7800X3D vs Core i7-13700K: Top $400 Gaming CPU?
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100W is absolutely a big deal when we're talking about electronics. In a 1500W space heater? Fine. 400W vs 500W system load? It's Netburst all over again but worse, and I'm actually on team Blue as the 30+ second boot times from team Red pissed me off too much. 12400F owner though, have actually never seen a chip stay so cool with a $20 HSF.
Go ahead, put 100W incandescent lightbulbs in every room and check your power bill next month. I'm certainly not okay with $200/mo just for lights.
Speaking of Netburst, I actually went back and looked them up. Most SKUs were in the 65-130W range. This was the heat/power we were complaining about then. But apparently 300W, 400W chips are now no big deal. We deserve what we get.
Reading with understanding is the key. I clearly pointed at the 4K gaming. I will repeat for people asking stupid questions in the simplest way I possibly can so , are you ready? He we go….
13700k = 7800x3d in 4K gaming.
In everything else 13700k absolutely destroys and I really mean that DESTROYS 7800x3d and it’s because 7800x3d is ONLY for gaming.
The end.
13700k = 7800x3d in 4K gaming.
In everything else 13700k absolutely destroys and I really mean that DESTROYS 7800x3d and it’s because 7800x3d is ONLY for gaming.
The end.
mdenigma
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Perhaps you didn't read the subtitle of the article? "What's the Best $400 CPU for Gaming?" Most high end CPUs are equivalent at 4K because the GPU tends to become the bottleneck at this resolution. The 13700K processor is great but I kind of like the possibility of adding better processors into my PC in a few years time without needing to swap out motherboards. Here in the UK, the electricity pricing means that the much lower power usage is also very welcome.
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Well kidz, FWIW, Newegg was/is (?) practically giving away Alder Lake CPUs as of Black Friday
For those of you not too proud to take a generational hit, or sacrifice your virtues, principles, an even your mortal souls by doing an Intel build, it might be worth checking out.
For those of you not too proud to take a generational hit, or sacrifice your virtues, principles, an even your mortal souls by doing an Intel build, it might be worth checking out.
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I am based in UK too. Electricity prices are totally unreal and what you really want is a good compromise I believe however like I mentioned previously I have two gaming rigs and both have a 4k 144 monitors so I am not really interested in how these cpu’s perform in 1080p or 2k gaming to be honest. In 4K gaming there is no difference at all between these 2 cpu’s however for every day computing 13700k trashing 7800x3d really badly and I think I am repeating myself here. No point to argue about which cpu is better because it is quite obvious, 13700k is better all day long!
I disagree. 13700K looks better on benchmarks but in reality it's slower for everyday tasks. Why? Because Intel considers "everyday tasks" as "low power" or "background" processes. That means those processes go to to Crap cores that are painfully slow.
You can easily test this. Create virtual machine and make it calculate something, like start real time speed test. Now leave virtual machine on background. Next activate that virtual machine window and shuffle it around. It runs faster latter way because it goes to P cores and not crap cores. AMD Zen4 cores are much faster than Intel Crap cores.
Virtual machine is not everyday task but you get the idea. Background tasks generally go on Crap cores so AMD is faster unless your load is around CPU threads.
Like usual, benchmarks do not reflect real usage scenario.
mdenigma
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Who would be buying an 13700k for computing? Thats an ethusiast overclocking CPU for a hand-selected market who likes hand-tuning and/or build a custom computer.
As @HardReset explained, this CPU-Generation has a weakness in terms of hetrogenous architecture. Maybe this works in some usecases, but often a homogenous 16 Core models is easier to deal with - especially for developers. Nobody I know will optimize for E-Cores - wasted money and hence an already dead product.
If you really need compute power - you will run some benchmarks and select the best model for your use-case. A quick win could be a 7950 because its dead cheap (regarding platform cost and total ownership cost) and just works as fast as intel in almost any usecase.
As @HardReset explained, this CPU-Generation has a weakness in terms of hetrogenous architecture. Maybe this works in some usecases, but often a homogenous 16 Core models is easier to deal with - especially for developers. Nobody I know will optimize for E-Cores - wasted money and hence an already dead product.
If you really need compute power - you will run some benchmarks and select the best model for your use-case. A quick win could be a 7950 because its dead cheap (regarding platform cost and total ownership cost) and just works as fast as intel in almost any usecase.
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