So you only have PCI slots and want to game?

By vnf4ultra
Jun 2, 2006
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  1. Seaner71

    Seaner71 Newcomer, in training

    ohh yeah the Jaton is $140 supposedly, but Newegg will prob sell it for like 120 or 110 or maybe less :)
  2. Tha General

    Tha General TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,225

    I was saying the x1550 stats seem to be incorrect, because the bandwidth is suppose to be 12.8GB, and the memory at 450.

    Nevertheless, um i don't believe the stats on your gpu has anything to do with your psu. I am using a 90watts PSU for a 350watts card. aLSO about the 9500gt being inaccuate, well i don't know what the real stats are for the 9500gt, just have to wait and see. I was just posting the link from gpu-review.

    peace :)
  3. jives11

    jives11 Newcomer, in training Posts: 112

    9500GT cards in UK or Europe ?

    I'd forgotten how frustrating it is searching for PCI cards.

    You end up with a search string like :

    PCI -PCI-E -PCIX -PCI-Express

    and still you get hits for PCI-E cards described as PCI .
    :confused:

    Has anyone seen any UK sellers of the 9500GT cards ? The two distributors listed on the sparkle site for the UK don't seem to stock them .
  4. teklord

    teklord TechSpot Maniac Posts: 523

    It's interesting that you don't think the extra 16 shaders is good value but the gig of memory is. I think the extra shaders will help even more than the extra memory most likely. I agree though that $140 dollars is waaaaaaay too much to pay for this. $100 dollars should be the limit on any PCI card because of the performance you actually get compared to the same card on PCI-e which goes for around $50 dollars. BTW, I found several online retailers for this card and it is going for about $100 dollars before shipping.
  5. teklord

    teklord TechSpot Maniac Posts: 523

    This new Jaton card makes the Sparkle 9500GT obsolete as the Sparkle card has a slightly slower Shader Processor. Great find General BTW. Also, don't believe what the Jaton site says about this card needing 400W of power, that's just nuts IMO. No PCI card is going to be a huge power draw and if so then why doesn't the Sparkle cards require just as much power? Even the General should be able to use this card, just don't OC it whatever you do. A lot of PCI-e cards with the extra power connectors don't require that large of a PSU and I haven't seen a PCI card yet that has a power connector, so why would so much power be necessary?
  6. Tha General

    Tha General TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,225

    It says 50w on gpureview. 200 or 300 should be just fine. I am buying a new rig um was today, but i have to buy it monday evening. I will look into buying the jaton 9500gt for my new rig early next month.

    I am very curious about those stats tho, interesting it says the bandwidth is at 25gb, is this even possible with PCI?

    EDIT:
    http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=610&card2=574

    I think the stats on the PCI are wrong. Just have to wait and see i guess.
  7. teklord

    teklord TechSpot Maniac Posts: 523

    They have the memory clock of the PCI-e version mistakenly typed there. You have to click on the "-" button next to "Mem:" to adjust it to it's correct value which is 400 not 800. The PCI card has dual RAMDAC of 400 not 800. For some reason, every PCI card I've seen has the Mem clock capped at 800. I suppose they think that that is all the PCI bus can handle, but when you OC the Mem clock, it does go a long ways in improving the performance. So why can't they just do that at the factory?
  8. Tha General

    Tha General TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,225

    Um not really look:

    Someone on youtube has this card, he OC it too
    http://gpuz.techpowerup.com/09/02/21/96p.png
    http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=512-P1-N724-LR&family=GeForce 8 Series Family
    I would of bought this version of the 8400gs series if it was sold in stores. But the bfg is fine.

    I think they just don't want to do it , not that they could. I know people said pci cards are bottleneck, but after using that celeron, i don't think that was the case, pci cards are less powerful then pcie true, but bottlenecks, nah
  9. Seaner71

    Seaner71 Newcomer, in training

    Okay here a quick lesson so you all may kinda get this, it seems like most of you don't, if you do, well then this doesn't really help you. The memory bandwith on the card, doesn't affect the PCI badwidth or use it,at all, its the transfer speed from the GPU (not CPU) to the memory. You could have a 9800GT with 1gb of DDR3 clocked at 1600mhz, and get a mem bandwidth of 48gb/s,, or more. But PCI becomes a bottleneck in the fact that the PCI bus can't send the GPU enough info to keep up with it's processing power, it would work great but you just can't compare to the GB/s that PCI e and AGP have, plus there's aren't shared. I f you are gonna be stuck with PCI or enjoy them like tha General, try and find a board with more than one PCI/USB bus, some have PCI pro that each slot has its own independent 64biut bus, but you can use 32bit normal cards in. So you can see why they only put cheaper GPU's and DDR2(800mhz is about the limit on DDR2 in video cards i believe) on these cards, do i think that DDR3 would be nice, yeah, increasing the bandwidth to about 20gb/s wouldn't hurt anything, and would help alot. But they would charge us PCI users over premium for that. Also if you overclock your FSB you open up more PCI bus or make it faster i can't remeber, but my freind over clocked his old P3 mobo to 157FSB and his PCI was also at 157 mb/s, not a great improvment but every last bit(pun inteneded) helps.
  10. Tha General

    Tha General TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,225

  11. Seaner71

    Seaner71 Newcomer, in training

    yes but its still clocked at 800, which means its probabely just DDR2 but with a new label, (there i very little difference between 2 and 3, 3 just clocks higher better) Albtron uses bad GPU's and RAM, i have heard nothing but bad reviews about then and there products, i think there like the Jaton of The UK.
  12. Tha General

    Tha General TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,225

    Visiontek/Powercolor/HIS sent me this email about radeon cards for the PCI

    " So far there isn’t any news around the corner of new PCI cards being released. PCI cards tend to have a much longer technological life span due to their simplicity. You can’t really do much to a PCI video card because they’re in such low demand. So unfortunately, we don’t have anything coming around the corner, but I do think there will always be something made available in PCI. There’s usually a new PCI card released for every 2 PCI-E series that are released. Thank you

    I am focusing my attention on PCIe cards for my new rig i got. But i am buying secondary computer , maybe a P4 or something for the older games that does not work on Vista32bit. So i will continue to use PCI for that rig, but for this new rig, my attention is on pcie cards.
    Anyways, pci cards tend to pop up out of nowhere. They might keep making geforce ones, but radeon , who knows.
  13. teklord

    teklord TechSpot Maniac Posts: 523

    Surprised more people aren't talking about the new Jaton 9500GT PCI. Jaton has been making video cards a while, so there shouldn't be problems with this working correctly and tech support should be passable if nothing else. I'd love to stick one in my machine right now.
     
  14. electromagnetic

    electromagnetic TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 201

  15. Dell310!

    Dell310! Newcomer, in training

    Can you guys post game benchmarks? for all your PCI cards?
  16. Tha General

    Tha General TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,225

    Hold up , i will post some benchmarks in this thread from a few game soon
  17. Tha General

    Tha General TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,225

    Here is a few benchmarks, some resize to 1024x768 from 1280x960 or 1280x1024. I only game at 1280x1024, and record at 1024x764 or 1280x1024.

    System Specs present, using my Visiontek 2400HD PCI with 9.4 drivers

    Jericho 1280x1024 High Settings / 17-29fps
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    Left 4 dead 1280x960 very high shader settings, high texture settings, NO AA(around 19-29fps)

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    Outrun 1280x1024 AAX2
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    Outrun 1280x1024 NO AA
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    Note: It runs better without AA, i get between 20-40fps.
  18. Tha General

    Tha General TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,225

  19. electromagnetic

    electromagnetic TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 201

    I will ask them if it is PCI
  20. Tha General

    Tha General TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,225

    Yea it may be coming out, thats pretty cool if it really is.
  21. teklord

    teklord TechSpot Maniac Posts: 523

    I ordered a 8500GT PCI from the UK to the USA last year, so you should be able to order the 9500GT from the USA to the UK as well.
  22. Tha General

    Tha General TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,225

  23. teklord

    teklord TechSpot Maniac Posts: 523

    Good eye General, that is the best base price + shipping that I have seen yet on this card, I love Newegg. Only gripe I have with this card is that I don't see a VGA port on it, so you will need an adapter to use it on your monitor, at least I will. Poor planning on Jaton's part there but great card otherwise, like the single PCI slot form factor.

    BTW, don't listen to people that say PCI cards are completely useless as that simply not true. I don't argue that they are overpriced and not as powerful as cards on the other bus types, but obviously some people only have PCI and this is much cheaper than building a new a PC. All the builds people demonstrate that you can make with the same money you spend on the PCI card aren't really builds at all because you have to spend at least $500 dollars to build a PC from scratch with all the necessary components. A PCI card is much cheaper than that and is the perfect stopgap solution IMO.
  24. Tha General

    Tha General TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,225

    The price is terrible tho, should of been 60 or 70 for it. As for the vga port, well i have like 2 adapters. I make sure to always keep them around. You can find them in stores for cheap tho.

    Btw, i never listen to people lol. But seriously. For the new rig i got now, i plan to move on to PCIE next month sometime, but i am buying a secondary rig just for PCI , maybe a p4 or a celeron d. Only because well vista is nice, but i notice some games don't work on it, so its wise to keep 2 rigs.

    But pCI cards get the job done depending on how your set up is, 20-30 or more at max or near max settings at 1280x1024 and its cool.
  25. Yukikaze

    Yukikaze Newcomer, in training Posts: 87

    Here ya go:
    http://direwolf007.blogspot.com/2008/12/pci-gaming-redux.html

    Don't try to play relatively new games with it. It won't do it, no matter how much CPU power you team it up with (A 3.9Ghz E5200 would be deemed sufficient just for about anything, aside perhaps of the horrible port that GTA IV is).

    Stuff from the Doom 3 era should run decent as well as older things, but you can forget about CoD4, Crysis, Fallout 3 or anything else modern and graphics-heavy, and don't be mislead by anyone telling you otherwise.

    That bench is the naked truth.


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