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The Karma System - trial phase

Discussion in 'Site Feedback and Suggestions' started by RealBlackStuff, Feb 12, 2007.

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  1. Julio Franco TechSpot Editor

    Latest update... the karma system is now fully working and it does not appear to have such horrible bugs as before with the new settings. Still in testing phase.
    Julio Franco, Feb 15, 2007
    #41

  2. Tedster Techspot old timer.....

    I've never been a big fan of popularity contests. To me they're superficial.
    Tedster, Feb 15, 2007
    #42

  3. KingCody Newcomer, in training

    I like the idea behind it, however I don't think it will work as intended...

    I like the idea itself because post counts alone don't reflect post "quality", they only reflect post "quantity". for example... some members may have a high post count, but don't actually contribute much in terms of helping people. on the flip side, some members may have low post counts, but the quality of their posts is very good. please note: I'm not referring to any member(s) in particular, I'm just using hypothetical examples ;)

    the reason why I don't think it will work as intended is because the object is to rate the quality of a particular post itself, not the person who wrote it. however I think the majority of "ratings" will be entirely based of somebody's opinion of another member (having little to do with the post itself). but I'm interested in seeing how it works out.

    also, I don't know if this is possible, but i personally think it would be better if instead of colored blocks next to the user name, the rating was listed as a numeric value underneath the post count.?

    :wave:
    KingCody, Feb 19, 2007
    #43
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  4. cfitzarl TechSpot Chancellor

    A Distinguished Road?

    I searched my name and kep seeing this:

    [IMG]
    cfitzarl, Feb 25, 2007
    #44

  5. howard_hopkinso Newcomer, in training

    That refers to your karma standing. If you hover your mouse pointer over your karma icon next to your username, you`ll see it says the same thing. If you click your user profile you`ll see a list of your karma. If you also click on your own karma button in one of your own posts, you`ll see exactly how many karma points you have.

    Regards Howard :)
    howard_hopkinso, Feb 25, 2007
    #45
    1 people like this.

  6. cfitzarl TechSpot Chancellor

    Oh...:bounce:....thanks Howared :wave: !
    cfitzarl, Feb 25, 2007
    #46

  7. cfitzarl TechSpot Chancellor

    How do Karma Points Work?

    Referring to an earlier thread about something, I checked my Karma and it said I have 48 Karma points, although I only have ~4 positive karma in my user profile listed. I was just wondering how the "point" system worked :dead: .
    cfitzarl, Feb 25, 2007
    #47

  8. Jesse_hz Newcomer, in training

    You could have made that file much smaller by saving it as a 4 color gif or png.

    (Off-topic) You don't have clear-type enabled?
    Jesse_hz, Feb 25, 2007
    #48

  9. MetalX TechSpot Chancellor

    Lol, there are people who actually use cleartype?

    But what the hell is the point of the "karma" system?!
    MetalX, Feb 28, 2007
    #49

  10. howard_hopkinso Newcomer, in training

    This thread HERE may go some way to explaining it.

    Regards Howard :)
    howard_hopkinso, Feb 28, 2007
    #50

  11. Jesse_hz Newcomer, in training

    Yes. Aliased fonts look wrong to me.
    Jesse_hz, Feb 28, 2007
    #51

  12. Sjbrand99 Banned

    What's up with the Karma

    Okay, something MUST be wrong. When Karma was first introduced, I saw people like Howard with loads of little green squares, but then it all went a bit wierd or something? QUE?

    Now I never see ANYONE with more than one box?

    Also, under my profile I have some green, one red, and a few GRAY squares? W*F?

    And -11 points? Huh? I then get a green box for a good post and I get -12???

    WHAT???

    And I keep getting good Karma but my box is still red, due to some bad Karma I got from a little tussle I had with an immature poster that was out for trouble?

    If any one could explain it would be greatly appreciated.

    Cheers
    Sjbrand99, Apr 7, 2007
    #52

  13. beef_jerky4104 Banned

    I think the Karma concept should be removed. Why? Because it doesn't work. Today I made a helpful post, gave them good info displayed a 2 products I though were better for them and what do I get? Bad Karma! I don't know maybe it was how I worded it I guess tones can't be sent over the internet. People can interpert it however they like. Still, I could give anyone bad Karma for doing a good job and thats why it doesn't work. So ditch the stupid Karma box TechSpot.

    EDIT: I also don't know how posting something that has already been said is bad karma. You see it may be anoying but, if more than one person says it (in the same thread) then the more the person is reassured.
    beef_jerky4104, Apr 7, 2007
    #53
    1 people like this.

  14. SNGX1275 TechSpot Special Forces

    Originally the system was screwed up, that is why you saw lots of blocks. That issue got fixed. There still is potential to get lots of blocks, they just accumulate much slower now. I believe Howard has 2 green blocks.

    Now I'm not sure if there are other glitches that prevent this thing from operating how we had intended or not. But ideally there would be a display for each post, really 2 ratings, 1 would be the overall karma a person has from every post of theirs that has been rated, and the other would be just for that specific post. Perhaps not even showing overall outside of that person's profile. And karma would be turned off for posts in Meeting Spot, Introduce Yourself, and Site Comments & Suggestions.

    Unfortunately not everyone can get what they want, and there is only 1 person to my knowledge that can actually implement these things.

    There was also a fairly lengthy discussion on this whole thing in the Site Comments & Suggestions forum a while back. Perhaps if you go through and read that you will better understand what is going on.
    SNGX1275, Apr 7, 2007
    #54

  15. IBN Newcomer, in training

    The karma system is not working. it isnt achieving the desired objective instead its more to do with popularity in my opinion.

    With all due repect (and I mean that) Howard would obviously have more karma points as he is usually the first one to greet in the Introduction forum and the Securty and Web forum too. (Both being very polular).

    And if someone becomes unpopular then he/she gets rained down with negative karma's.

    So I dont think the system reflects the ability of the person.
    IBN, Apr 7, 2007
    #55
    1 people like this.

  16. cfitzarl TechSpot Chancellor

    Here's my perspective......

    If and when the karma system is working, you receive the karma you deserve. If you said something stupid, then you get bad karma; and vice-versa.
    cfitzarl, Apr 8, 2007
    #56

  17. beef_jerky4104 Banned

    Here's simply example.

    Okay cfitzarl. If thats how you feel I'm reporting you. Yeah thats right, you only gave a helpful comment. But I'm a jerk and I just like reporting bad karma. Thats how I felt, because anyone can record bad Karma even if it was a helpful post.

    Now I'm not really going to do that, because your to cool.
    beef_jerky4104, Apr 8, 2007
    #57

  18. Julio Franco TechSpot Editor

    As SNGX already explained, the first time the karma system appeared on the boards we were barely experimenting to see how it worked. All those records were deleted and we started from scratch with the new "improved" weightings.

    Currently the system is on a long-run trial basis, we now understand it better and have given a lot of thought on how much importance or weight should be given to each factor. The reason I brought the system in the first place was because of members' feedback, and so because this is still a trial we might get rid of it eventually if it doesn't add to the experience. I understand some of you may feel undermined if you have bad scores (although I yet have to see a single member with such a bad score that a positive one won't revert), but that is how the system works based on other members feedback left for your posts.

    Some of your comments seem somewhat uninformed. The system has been discussed in the past and some hints have been given on how karma is calculated. In general terms, you should get positive karma for a "good" or useful post, and bad karma for a post that is not anything close to that. As with any kind of system that accrues values over time, the idea is that it will become fair as more posts and more votes are made. This is no popularity contest, as in theory it shouldn't target the user directly but the post made by that person. Also we can not work under the assumption that a majority members are jerks otherwise I believe this forum could not even exist.

    It will be hard to explain every single calculation made by the system since we did not develop it, not to mention no system is perfect however I can assure you I have put a lot of thought for having this work the best way possible for TS. Here are some pointers:

    - New users can not give karma, they have to earn altering power through other members votes or number of posts or time spent on the boards. (This invalidates the idea that Howard, for example, gets many of his votes from new members in the Intro forum).

    - You get 1 karma power point for every:
    500 posts made
    180 days as registered user
    60 karma points earned

    - Users with negative karma do not have altering power.

    - Users will show a 'balance' gray button for karma between -15 and 5. Anything below that starts to show red bricks, and above 5 shows green bricks. You earn an extra green brick for every hundred karma points you earn.

    - When you give positive karma to a member, that member receives the number of karma altering power you have. But when you give negative karma, that user is only punished half of your altering power.

    - Users are limited to five karma clicks per day.

    - Users can not give karma to the same person until they have hit at least 15 other users first.

    PS: Karma related threads merged
    PS2: On a side note, you should note that there are guidelines for signatures that some of you do not follow (for example 2-3 line limit).
    Julio Franco, Apr 8, 2007
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  19. TimeParadoX Newcomer, in training

    That karma system looks cool, I gotten about 2-3 negative karma from people who I made mad :haha:
    TimeParadoX, Apr 8, 2007
    #59

  20. Sjbrand99 Banned

    But how then am I red if i only have 1 negative?

    I have an idea (oh here we go), just for trial proproses, everyone on this thread or person who sees this, give me Karma, (good or bad I don't care) ans see how my "points" system is affected.

    See?

    In my opinion, TechSpot is turning into eBay, in the "feedback" beng "karma".... and for a Tech forum site I really think that this shouldnt effect advice people give, or the perspective view of someone with "bad" Karma. At the end of the day they don't have to take your advice!
    Sjbrand99, Apr 8, 2007
    #60
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