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Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R (Revision 2)

Comparison review of both boards>here<

These are the stats as I would have them right now. The difference is not very noticeable in performance, except for maybe the 4GB of RAM instead of 6GB. I would do that to get it cheaper (It's half the price, because the 6GB was from Corsair and the 4GB is from Kingston), and then some time later get 6GB or even 8GB+ to boost up my PC. This setup would be a total of 100 Euros Cheaper, and of course I am still thinking about Hard Drive and Optical Drive, as they are not too important for me.

For the Hard Drive, for example, I could take a 500GB version, and then, again, get a better one later. I would even be fine with a 320GB or even a 250GB version as for now, but we'll see about that. I mean this Hard Drive (The 1TB one) costs 80 Euros, and a 500GB Hard Drive from the same company (Although the 500GB version would be S-ATA II not S-ATA III, like the 1TB version is) would cost only 30 Euros, which is another 50 Euros off.

As for the Optical Drive: all I use it for is to read. I never in my life wrote anything on a CD/DVD, so for the beginning a Read-Only DVD Drive would be fine, as again, Blu-Ray would be totally unnecessary, since I don't buy Blu-Rays. The Optical Drive I have now Reads, Writes and Rewrites CDs and DVDs, and Reads Blu-Ray, and costs 60-70 Euros, and another drive I found, which can actually Read, Write and Rewrite CDs and DVDs as well, costs only 20 Euros, and it's also from LG.
So yeah, like I said I only need one that Reads CD/DVD but the 20 Euros would again be 40 Euros Cheaper.

This would result in a total loss of almost 200 Euros, and wouldn't harm the performance too much.
Of course later, when I upgrade the computer, I will consider buying better Hard Drives, Optical Drives, RAM, and whatever else I wouldn't take the best off now.

I already posted something about suggesting a good Motherboard.

The Asus P6X58D-E is great, but again, it has it's price, which I PERSONALLY would be willing to pay, but my parents are the ones, who are allowed to tell me what to buy and what not.

Of course, I can convince them in some way to let me get that Motherboard, but you know, I could at least look for some cheaper ones.

PLEASE READ: I am sorry that I said I would get this awesome stuff, and then said I need to buy cheaper components, but as it is now, the components are still about the same as before, and I hope that's OK with everyone.

AwesomeTech

that looks pretty good man, thanks =D
did you get to use it before, so can you tell me how well it does, or not?

which one would you personally recommend anyway?
i mean its only a 10 Euros Difference... so... I guess from those I'd prob. take the better one... but we'll see. I really like the "Gigabyte" one =D

Listen "Awesome", please don't think that we're your flunkies, and that you can decide to give us a laundry list of your, "demands", then send us out to shop for you.

Nobody here needs some smart mouth juvenile delinquent talking down to them, as in this post........

We all know what 'mobo" means, and we've all known it a lot longer than you have.

Now run along, and do your own shopping. Nobody here has the same grandiose opinion about you that you do. All I see is a child who thinks that his mouth is connected to his parents wallets.

Is that......

with you.

I never said you have to help me
And I never 'demanded' anyone to help me. I just don't wanna mess up and buy components that suck, because this is my first Computer I'm building.
I wanted some help, and thought that's what a forum is for. If you don't want to help me fine, I'll live with it, but then WHY THE HELL ARE YOU EVEN ON THIS THREAD? Do you go on every thread to tell people what you don't want to do for them. I don't care if NO ONE helps me. I just think that if I write something up like this, the people that do want to help, can help.
And that post about finding a Motherboard was maybe written a bit commanding, sorry for that, but that's no need to write stuff like this. I mean what point do you want to make? That no one wants to help me? Well then why ARE people helping me?

And about Mobo=Motherboard: I am so sorry that I wrote something up that is too unnecessary for captain cranky. I didn't know it would insult you that much if I wrote something like that up, because I just thought in case someone wouldn't know, now they know.

Oh and by the way: IF you comment crap like that on this thread, then at least read the whole thread first. I am paying this computer, not my parents. But they still can tell me what's to expensive or not.

I am still a child, if you wanna call me that. Go ahead. I'm 14. But at least I want to do something like this. Build an own computer. Dude I don't care what you say, I'm glad I want to do something like this, and I'm not just a douche sitting around doing nothing.

And one more thing: I've seen one fricking crappy post from you, and I already think you're one of the worst *******s on this planet. Maybe I'm wrong, but from what you wrote, man you're pissing me off.

Bye bye captain cranky,
AwesomeTech

You Can catch More Flies With Honey, Than With Vinegar....

You're a 14 year old little twerp, that thinks he's "Awesome". You're not, trust me.

Building a computer is not a big deal, I built my first one before even joining Techspot. It's a 4 hour project at best. And I might mention that I didn't think that I was "Awesome" for doing so.

You're letting your pubescent inflated ego run your pen, and it is quite annoying.

So you're "not sitting around doing nothing", which I suppose, is commendable. But think for a minute, none of us are sitting around doing nothing either. That means, that we mostly don't want to cruise the forum and concern ourselves helping some clown who feels it cute or clever to post nonsense like, "OOOKKKAAAYYY", as they send us out to do their bidding.

Oddly enough, it really doesn't seem to matter to me whether or not I'm,"pissing you off", or what part of someone's anatomy you think I am. Get over yourself, you're exactly what I have you pegged as, an overindulged, bossy, loud mouth teenager.

You don't even know whether you can change a motherboard, yet you talk down to someone who actually was trying to help, sic; *Mobo=[Mo]ther[bo]ard ...!

Now you're here asking us to do all your shopping and research for you, it doesn't work like that. Nobody died and left you in charge.

If you want a board with all those features, then you should do the research and shopping, since that's a valuable part of the learning process, and you won't acquire anything worthwhile, if we shortcut the entire process. The more self research you do, on this machine, the less you'll have to do on the next one.

I understand why you wouldn't want me in this thread, and that's because I'm not buying into your self hype.

Don't be to sure that others are either;

So, "I saw-wee, did I make widdle "Awesome" mad"?

Actually, yeah, you did make me mad. But oh well. You know what: It's OK that you're such a douche. Cause I don't know you and I am so glad about that.
Oh and so sorry that I didn't know if I can exchange a Motherboard. I never knew asking questions was so wrong.
Oh my god you're such a genius you built your computer before joining TechSpot. Wow seriously you're amazing. I can't believe what a stupid little kid I am asking other people for advice before doing something.
By the way: I never said I find myself "awesome". My name is AwesomeTech not AwesomeMe. I just learned about everything I know up to know about computers, 3-4 days ago... maybe 5. I am so sorry that I don't know everything like you.
I'm just trying to get to know that kinda stuff. And OK, if you think I am the type of person who finds himself awesome and cool, go ahead. And I can't prove to you I'm not, but who cares. You don't want to talk to me, I don't want to talk to you, WHO CARES?
I didn't send anyone out to do my bidding. I looked myself for Motherboards, but I just don't know enough to find the best one, so I asked people for help.
I don't even know why you think I am such an *******. What did I ever do to you?
I don't know if I said something wrong or if you're just understanding something wrong, but seriously, I don't wanna discuss about this. I joined this forum hoping people could help me, so that I could help others later. I did not join this form to discuss about whether I am "commanding" people or not.
So why did you come to this thread in first place, if you're just complaining? Seriously?
Just mind your own business, and everyone will be happy.

They're both X58 chipset boards. ALL X58 boards perform to around the same level. The difference between SKU's is mostly bling and connectivity. Yes I've built using both boards (only Revision 1.0 of the Giga board). Both perform well.
I personally prefer the Gigabyte's Phoenix-Award BIOS to the Asus American Megatrends BIOS. Personal taste-nothing more. I use -when it's not out on loan- a Gigabyte X58-UD4P.

I'd consider you well on the way to achieving just that. Keen to be ignored? Just keep running your mouth it'll happen sooner than you think. You might want to remember that building a computer is often NOT a straightforward business. You will likely need to look elsewhere for troubleshooting help at the rate you're moving.

Well yes there is. People here donate time and effort to help others. Timewasters dilute that effort and rob people with serious problems the attention that their difficulties require.
You have at least three threads running that could have combined in a single thread. That single thread could have just read "I want to build a system. My preference is X58 based. I have X budget, Y experience in building, and have Z expectation for the completed build". No hyperbole, no histrionics, no grandiose build plans and no trying to impress people with twenty plus years of building experience of your knowledge base. Catch my drift?

You insult everyone, not just CC with some of the absolute tripe you've "contributed". Read the other posts of the people who are advising you, it will soon become evident what degree of knowlege they possess before you decide to school them in the finer points of tech-speak.

The thing that doesn't ring true about that, can be gleaned in an exculpatory fashion. Since my screen name is "captaincranky", and people always say, "now I see why you call yourself "captaincranky", it is sequitur to infer that you think you're awesome, since you call yourself "Awesome".

I don't think that "you" are particularly anything. I do however think you're a type of person that is really annoying.

What I really think, is that you need some attitude adjustment, in dealing with people that are trying to help you.

We're not your parents, so some of your tactics for trying to get what you want from them, won't work on us.

Especially, the tantrums, the name calling, the talking down to, the summary demands, ad naseum.....

We help because we like to teach people to fish, and you're expecting people to fish for you. Again, it doesn;t really work like that.

So, why don't you hone your manners a bit, and take this from the top....

Oops..........

Here's one thing I like about your criticism: It's written in a nice way.

About that "NO ONE helps me". Well I know that if No one would help me I couldn't do this. And that's also what I meant. I meant that I don't care if I don't get help. Then I can't build a computer, because I don't know enough. I mean it's not the end of the world to NOT build a computer.

The 3 Threads are only there, because not a single person replied to the first one. The second one was more of a discussion thread between GTX 480 and GTX 580, and this is the third one. Please tell me if there's a way to delete the 1st thread, then I will do so.

I insult everyone? OK I don't see where I insulted anyone except CC. If you can give me examples, then OK. But I don't see it... at least not right now o.O
Well, I know that others here have much more knowledge than me. I'm not denying it. I mean, that's why I ask people for help.
The thing I just hate, is people like CC, who write things up like he did, when he doesn't know anything about me at all, except that I want to build a computer. And that seriously annoys me, because he might have experience in this stuff, and know everything, but he doesn't even know my situation. He didn't even read the whole thread, or otherwise he wouldn't have said that I can buy whatever I want and my parents will pay it.
And it's true, I might sound a bit angry/mad sometimes when I write, but that's when I am angry, and that happens to everyone, doesn't it?

*Edit*

Oh and by the way, thanks for the help on the Motherboard.

Ya jus' gotta have the last word, dont cha....?

Alright!
Seriously: Alright!
I am sorry that I insulted you, but I mean, who doesn't get angry if people tell them "All I see is a child who thinks that his mouth is connected to his parents wallets." And all the rest as well.
Man, you say that people are trying to help me, meaning also you, but then why do you say I should go away and build it myself, without writing on this thread. At least that's how I understood it.
About that "can someone please find me a Mobo"... Yeah, sorry, that's a bit demanding, and that's the thing you said "doing the fishing for me". But I've been looking for Motherboards over and over, and I thought before posting up 10 Motherboards and asking about them, I could just ask for some advice on good motherboards. I didn't expect people to do research on a good motherboard, but maybe some people who owe one with an i7 CPU, so that they could tell me how their Motherboard does.
I'll try to not sound commanding or demanding or whatever anymore when writing up things, OK?
Sorry again, I just got a little pissed by your post (and I now you said you don't care if I'm pissed...)
AwesomeTech

If you have 10 boards picked out, then begin the selection process on your own. That should weed them down at bit, to where to you might reasonably expect us to help fine tune the decision.

When all the shooting is done, you will be the one who assembles this mess. With that said, I've seen people go through a thread, think they knew what they were doing, and then wind up destroying a motherboard by simple ignorance of process, particulars, and technique.

With THAT said, a simple forum thread is not really the place for a crash course in computer building, and there are many resources on the web, that will teach you just that.....I took advantage of them before I started, and my best advice is, "so should you".

With everybody's first build, I think expectations are unnecessarily high, and somewhere there is the ghost of, "the best computer ever", goading them on.

As DBZ pointed out, (when you turn an X-58 motherboard upside down, they all look alike), (although not in that terminology), it just becomes an issue of what you can afford, and what you have access to. I say, "don't look at anything other that Asus, or Gigabyte". Were you to take that advice, you'd probably have less that ten boards to choose from. See how that works?

even though I'll take your advice, I still don't like your style of writing. I dunno... I just don't like it... at all...

I know the basics about computers (OK that sounds like I feel awesome again... so: ) I think I know the basics about computers and some things a little in depth, but I just don't know everything.

And I just learnt about stuff I didn't even know existed by making this thread.

Oh and seriously I don't think I'm Mr. Awesome. I mean I don't think I'm a total fail either =P
I just don't walk around saying I am so awesome and no one else is and I know everything...
I might appear like that, and maybe my name makes you think that, but I'm not... dunno if you'll believe me or not...

Alright... then thanks everyone for helping =D
Wow I don't even know 1/8 of what I need to know about computers... probably 1/800 would be more accurate...
-.-
Maybe captaincranky was right after all... I should first inform myself... Even though I thought I did... Well I did, but obviously not enough...
So again, thanks to you all...
AwesomeTech

This should help, its a step by step:
http://www.buildacomputerguide.com/getting-started.html

Just remember to double check everything three times ( connections) and get a anti static wrist strap...or frequently touch a metal portion of the case to discharge any static electricity prior to picking up components. In other words, do not go shuffling accross a carpeted room in rubber souled shoes with your CPU prior to installing it

haha ok yeah i did do some research before joining techspot and that was one of the first thigns i found out =D
thanks for the guide man =D