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Which GPU to get? Nvidia or AMD?

By AwesomeTech
Nov 14, 2010
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  1. AwesomeTech

    AwesomeTech TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 32

    UPDATE:

    Well my parents said (Since all of this together would cost about 1200 Euros, that I should try make it cheaper, by for example going with an i5 instead of i7)

    With an i5 (For example i5-750) can I still go for good quality games?
    It says that it has 2.66 GHz with a Max Turbo Frequency of 3.20 GHz... but what is a Max Turbo Frequency?
    Is it that it usually runs at 2.66 GHz but when I take a program/several programs that (need to) run anything up to 3.20 GHz that it can do that as well? If yes, then for how long can it stay at 3.20 GHz?

    Anyway changing the CPU, I will also need to change the Motherboard, as the i5 socket doesn't fit into the Motherboard I chose.

    I wish my parents would let me keep what I already have, but oh well =(
    I guess the i5 is all that I'll ever need, and it's not like this is the only computer I'll be able to build in a lifetime.

    AwesomeTech

    *EDIT*

    Well since the i5-750 is the minimum I'd get, and it's much worse than the i7-950, I will probably be able to convince my parents to let me go for the i7-950 because it's only 50 Euros more.
  2. raybay

    raybay TS Evangelist Posts: 10,716   +6

    Look down the road.
    Instead of building something right now to meet your current needs, think about building something you can upgrade.
    We have a lot of friends that are very happy with the i5. It depends on the configuration... but it works fine.
    But will you want an i5 a year from now, or if budgets get any worse, can you be happier with and i5 or an i7 two years from now...
    Think about a more basic system now with plans to make changes as time goes on... and which will be easier on you and the parents.
    No system stays current very long... A new system includes some regrets and dissatisfaction... Don't delay the burden to something that is more difficult or expensive to tune up later.
  3. AwesomeTech

    AwesomeTech TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 32

    Yeah well if I get an i5 now and want an i7 later I'd also have to get a new Mobo because the sockets are different. I don't even know if it harms the computer to change the Mobo

    *Mobo=[Mo]ther[bo]ard

    AwesomeTech
  4. red1776

    red1776 Omnipotent Ruler of the Universe Posts: 5,894   +88

    not true, there are boards that take i3/i5/i7 CPU's. The i5 will game very well for you, no worries there. For example this MB
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131634

    and no, it does not harm the computer to change the MB
  5. Leeky

    Leeky TS Evangelist Posts: 4,378   +98

    Thanks for that Red. :)

    Least I know not to be scared with getting a CF motherboard with a 16x/8x/8x setup. I noticed I needed to spend about 50 UK Pounds more to get 2-3 16x sockets.
  6. AwesomeTech

    AwesomeTech TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 32

    yeah it supports i3/i5/i7 but only i3/i5/i7 with socket LGA1156. YES there are some i7s which have that socket but seriously I don't want those?
    So you're saying the i5-750 will do fine in gaming?
    like on highest settings online multiplayer etc.?

    IF I take the i5-750 is this a good motherboard:
    Asus P7P55D ATX Motherboard
    Does that Mobo support Crossfire at full
    cause it says:
    1x PCIe 16x
    1x PCIe 16x (@x4 mode, 2.5GT/s)
    and I have no idea what that "(@x4 mode, 2.5GT/s)" means

    if all those things that i asked apply, then of course this would be better because, it would be a total of 240 Euros cheaper (because I am also going to get only 4GB of ram no matter what even if i go with i7 « Is 4GB of RAM enough for good gaming?)

    Also I am prob going with the PSU HX750W not 850W because it's enough =D
    so thats another 50 Euros I believe

    300 Euros in total (well, almost)
  7. red1776

    red1776 Omnipotent Ruler of the Universe Posts: 5,894   +88

    What you are essentially giving up is having dual channel ram operation in place of triple channel. Still an extremely fast setup. just a suggestion as you mentioned that you needed to bring it in under budget.
    yes the i5 750 will do great as a gaming CPU

    the x4/x8/x16 refer to data paths called lanes. In short it determines the bandwidth of the PCIE-16 interface. What i was referring to is that many people shy away from x8 and x4 PCIE slots because they assume that they will lose half and three quarters of the cards performance if they use them. This is not the case. an x8 PCIE slot loses virtually no performance, and the x4 loses a minimal 6-8% at time.

    excellent PSU!
  8. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,666   +879

    Does this mean I should ignore "Awesome Tech's" thread about the i7-950 build?

    Or perhaps I should ask, "exactly how many computers is "Awesome" building"?

    Or maybe it's time to boot up the old "pornograph", and find some porn to play on it.
  9. red1776

    red1776 Omnipotent Ruler of the Universe Posts: 5,894   +88

    ooh,oooh....the third one!
  10. dividebyzero

    dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,836   +667

    Yes. Much like any Steven Seagal movie, you know how it ends before it starts....So if Steve played Macbeth..."By the pricking of my thumbs, something disappointing this way comes"
    Rough guesstimate based on visible kbowledge base....0
    I'd say AT's parents might like the local computer tech to try their hand at putting it together.
    Probably safer than going with the "Pee Wee Herman Experience"
  11. Relic

    Relic TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,392   +16

    What resolution do you plan on playing at Awesome? This is very important and something I noticed not posted here. If you have a small monitor / resolution your GPU choice isn't the best overall. However if you game at 1920 x 1080/1200 the 6870 is a fine choice and will serve you well. You also never mentioned what games, but I'm assuming you plan on playing the latest releases.
     
  12. AwesomeTech

    AwesomeTech TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 32

    for now 1280x1024 but i will buy a big screen soon... its just that my parents will kill me if i want to buy a big screen right away =D
    but yeah 1920x1080 would prob. be what i am aiming for =D
  13. Relic

    Relic TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,392   +16

    A Radeon 6870 is by far overkill for that resolution and until you upgrade you wont be taking full advantage of that card. So just remember to get a new monitor sooner rather then later and definitely before you look at another 6870.
  14. AwesomeTech

    AwesomeTech TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 32

    obviously getting new monitor before 2nd 6870
  15. AwesomeTech

    AwesomeTech TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 32

    Alright can someone find me a good motherboard for Intel Core i7 CPUs which is not too expensive...
    The P6X58D Premium is a bit too expensive
    If i find no other GOOD one then the P6X58D-E is ok
    here is what i want from it

    Obviously for i7 CPUs with Socket LGA1366
    3 Slots of DDR3
    Some USB 3.0 Ports would be nice but it doesn't have to have it
    S-ATA III is quite important but of course if it doesnt have it its OOOKKKAAAYYY =D
    Should support Crossfire
    if i find anything else i'll post it
  16. dividebyzero

    dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,836   +667

  17. AwesomeTech

    AwesomeTech TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 32

    These are the stats as I would have them right now. The difference is not very noticeable in performance, except for maybe the 4GB of RAM instead of 6GB. I would do that to get it cheaper (It's half the price, because the 6GB was from Corsair and the 4GB is from Kingston), and then some time later get 6GB or even 8GB+ to boost up my PC. This setup would be a total of 100 Euros Cheaper, and of course I am still thinking about Hard Drive and Optical Drive, as they are not too important for me.

    For the Hard Drive, for example, I could take a 500GB version, and then, again, get a better one later. I would even be fine with a 320GB or even a 250GB version as for now, but we'll see about that. I mean this Hard Drive (The 1TB one) costs 80 Euros, and a 500GB Hard Drive from the same company (Although the 500GB version would be S-ATA II not S-ATA III, like the 1TB version is) would cost only 30 Euros, which is another 50 Euros off.

    As for the Optical Drive: all I use it for is to read. I never in my life wrote anything on a CD/DVD, so for the beginning a Read-Only DVD Drive would be fine, as again, Blu-Ray would be totally unnecessary, since I don't buy Blu-Rays. The Optical Drive I have now Reads, Writes and Rewrites CDs and DVDs, and Reads Blu-Ray, and costs 60-70 Euros, and another drive I found, which can actually Read, Write and Rewrite CDs and DVDs as well, costs only 20 Euros, and it's also from LG.
    So yeah, like I said I only need one that Reads CD/DVD but the 20 Euros would again be 40 Euros Cheaper.

    This would result in a total loss of almost 200 Euros, and wouldn't harm the performance too much.
    Of course later, when I upgrade the computer, I will consider buying better Hard Drives, Optical Drives, RAM, and whatever else I wouldn't take the best off now.

    I already posted something about suggesting a good Motherboard.

    The Asus P6X58D-E is great, but again, it has it's price, which I PERSONALLY would be willing to pay, but my parents are the ones, who are allowed to tell me what to buy and what not.

    Of course, I can convince them in some way to let me get that Motherboard, but you know, I could at least look for some cheaper ones.

    PLEASE READ: I am sorry that I said I would get this awesome stuff, and then said I need to buy cheaper components, but as it is now, the components are still about the same as before, and I hope that's OK with everyone.

    AwesomeTech
  18. AwesomeTech

    AwesomeTech TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 32

    that looks pretty good man, thanks =D
    did you get to use it before, so can you tell me how well it does, or not?
  19. AwesomeTech

    AwesomeTech TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 32

    which one would you personally recommend anyway?
    i mean its only a 10 Euros Difference... so... I guess from those I'd prob. take the better one... but we'll see. I really like the "Gigabyte" one =D
  20. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,666   +879

    Listen "Awesome", please don't think that we're your flunkies, and that you can decide to give us a laundry list of your, "demands", then send us out to shop for you.

    Nobody here needs some smart mouth juvenile delinquent talking down to them, as in this post........
    We all know what 'mobo" means, and we've all known it a lot longer than you have.

    Now run along, and do your own shopping. Nobody here has the same grandiose opinion about you that you do. All I see is a child who thinks that his mouth is connected to his parents wallets.

    Is that......
    with you.
  21. AwesomeTech

    AwesomeTech TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 32

    I never said you have to help me
    And I never 'demanded' anyone to help me. I just don't wanna mess up and buy components that suck, because this is my first Computer I'm building.
    I wanted some help, and thought that's what a forum is for. If you don't want to help me fine, I'll live with it, but then WHY THE HELL ARE YOU EVEN ON THIS THREAD? Do you go on every thread to tell people what you don't want to do for them. I don't care if NO ONE helps me. I just think that if I write something up like this, the people that do want to help, can help.
    And that post about finding a Motherboard was maybe written a bit commanding, sorry for that, but that's no need to write stuff like this. I mean what point do you want to make? That no one wants to help me? Well then why ARE people helping me?

    And about Mobo=Motherboard: I am so sorry that I wrote something up that is too unnecessary for captain cranky. I didn't know it would insult you that much if I wrote something like that up, because I just thought in case someone wouldn't know, now they know.

    Oh and by the way: IF you comment crap like that on this thread, then at least read the whole thread first. I am paying this computer, not my parents. But they still can tell me what's to expensive or not.

    I am still a child, if you wanna call me that. Go ahead. I'm 14. But at least I want to do something like this. Build an own computer. Dude I don't care what you say, I'm glad I want to do something like this, and I'm not just a douche sitting around doing nothing.

    And one more thing: I've seen one fricking crappy post from you, and I already think you're one of the worst *******s on this planet. Maybe I'm wrong, but from what you wrote, man you're pissing me off.

    Bye bye captain cranky,
    AwesomeTech
  22. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,666   +879

    You Can catch More Flies With Honey, Than With Vinegar....

    You're a 14 year old little twerp, that thinks he's "Awesome". You're not, trust me.

    Building a computer is not a big deal, I built my first one before even joining Techspot. It's a 4 hour project at best. And I might mention that I didn't think that I was "Awesome" for doing so.

    You're letting your pubescent inflated ego run your pen, and it is quite annoying.

    So you're "not sitting around doing nothing", which I suppose, is commendable. But think for a minute, none of us are sitting around doing nothing either. That means, that we mostly don't want to cruise the forum and concern ourselves helping some clown who feels it cute or clever to post nonsense like, "OOOKKKAAAYYY", as they send us out to do their bidding.

    Oddly enough, it really doesn't seem to matter to me whether or not I'm,"pissing you off", or what part of someone's anatomy you think I am. Get over yourself, you're exactly what I have you pegged as, an overindulged, bossy, loud mouth teenager.

    You don't even know whether you can change a motherboard, yet you talk down to someone who actually was trying to help, sic; *Mobo=[Mo]ther[bo]ard ...!

    Now you're here asking us to do all your shopping and research for you, it doesn't work like that. Nobody died and left you in charge.

    If you want a board with all those features, then you should do the research and shopping, since that's a valuable part of the learning process, and you won't acquire anything worthwhile, if we shortcut the entire process. The more self research you do, on this machine, the less you'll have to do on the next one.

    I understand why you wouldn't want me in this thread, and that's because I'm not buying into your self hype.

    Don't be to sure that others are either;
    So, "I saw-wee, did I make widdle "Awesome" mad"?
  23. AwesomeTech

    AwesomeTech TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 32

    Actually, yeah, you did make me mad. But oh well. You know what: It's OK that you're such a douche. Cause I don't know you and I am so glad about that.
    Oh and so sorry that I didn't know if I can exchange a Motherboard. I never knew asking questions was so wrong.
    Oh my god you're such a genius you built your computer before joining TechSpot. Wow seriously you're amazing. I can't believe what a stupid little kid I am asking other people for advice before doing something.
    By the way: I never said I find myself "awesome". My name is AwesomeTech not AwesomeMe. I just learned about everything I know up to know about computers, 3-4 days ago... maybe 5. I am so sorry that I don't know everything like you.
    I'm just trying to get to know that kinda stuff. And OK, if you think I am the type of person who finds himself awesome and cool, go ahead. And I can't prove to you I'm not, but who cares. You don't want to talk to me, I don't want to talk to you, WHO CARES?
    I didn't send anyone out to do my bidding. I looked myself for Motherboards, but I just don't know enough to find the best one, so I asked people for help.
    I don't even know why you think I am such an *******. What did I ever do to you?
    I don't know if I said something wrong or if you're just understanding something wrong, but seriously, I don't wanna discuss about this. I joined this forum hoping people could help me, so that I could help others later. I did not join this form to discuss about whether I am "commanding" people or not.
    So why did you come to this thread in first place, if you're just complaining? Seriously?
    Just mind your own business, and everyone will be happy.
  24. dividebyzero

    dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,836   +667

    They're both X58 chipset boards. ALL X58 boards perform to around the same level. The difference between SKU's is mostly bling and connectivity. Yes I've built using both boards (only Revision 1.0 of the Giga board). Both perform well.
    I personally prefer the Gigabyte's Phoenix-Award BIOS to the Asus American Megatrends BIOS. Personal taste-nothing more. I use -when it's not out on loan- a Gigabyte X58-UD4P.
    I'd consider you well on the way to achieving just that. Keen to be ignored? Just keep running your mouth it'll happen sooner than you think. You might want to remember that building a computer is often NOT a straightforward business. You will likely need to look elsewhere for troubleshooting help at the rate you're moving.
    Well yes there is. People here donate time and effort to help others. Timewasters dilute that effort and rob people with serious problems the attention that their difficulties require.
    You have at least three threads running that could have combined in a single thread. That single thread could have just read "I want to build a system. My preference is X58 based. I have X budget, Y experience in building, and have Z expectation for the completed build". No hyperbole, no histrionics, no grandiose build plans and no trying to impress people with twenty plus years of building experience of your knowledge base. Catch my drift?
    You insult everyone, not just CC with some of the absolute tripe you've "contributed". Read the other posts of the people who are advising you, it will soon become evident what degree of knowlege they possess before you decide to school them in the finer points of tech-speak.
  25. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,666   +879

    The thing that doesn't ring true about that, can be gleaned in an exculpatory fashion. Since my screen name is "captaincranky", and people always say, "now I see why you call yourself "captaincranky", it is sequitur to infer that you think you're awesome, since you call yourself "Awesome".

    I don't think that "you" are particularly anything. I do however think you're a type of person that is really annoying.

    What I really think, is that you need some attitude adjustment, in dealing with people that are trying to help you.

    We're not your parents, so some of your tactics for trying to get what you want from them, won't work on us.

    Especially, the tantrums, the name calling, the talking down to, the summary demands, ad naseum.....

    We help because we like to teach people to fish, and you're expecting people to fish for you. Again, it doesn;t really work like that.

    So, why don't you hone your manners a bit, and take this from the top....


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