Which is better? AMD Athlon or Intel Pentium 4?
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acidosmosis
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Your dad sounds like one of those .. ok I'll leave that word out.. people that go get an MCSE and know diddly squat about computers before hand. Just because they can remember questions on a test they get a MCSE certification and a decent job then ruin the IT industry because they know crap about the job and have certification unlike most people.
In other words. Don't listen to your parents. Your parents weren't using computers when they were born. You were. So who should you listen to? Our generation, not theres. Besides, parents think they know everything just because some "network admin" or "techie" told them so or they "read something" or "heard something on the news".
I'll tell you right now, if you wanna be in the IT industry ever or want to be the least bit respected one of the best things to do is to learn who to trust, who to listen to, who to not listen to. If you can master that then you will be well on your way to becoming respected and successful.
In other words. Don't listen to your parents. Your parents weren't using computers when they were born. You were. So who should you listen to? Our generation, not theres. Besides, parents think they know everything just because some "network admin" or "techie" told them so or they "read something" or "heard something on the news".
I'll tell you right now, if you wanna be in the IT industry ever or want to be the least bit respected one of the best things to do is to learn who to trust, who to listen to, who to not listen to. If you can master that then you will be well on your way to becoming respected and successful.
Nic
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Acid: As for IT certifications, I am a firm believer (in fact I know this for certain) that getting certified is the best thing you can do.
People who go through the certification process pick up a great deal of knowledge that those who haven't, but have experience, simply don't know about.
Its true that being certified doesn't neccessarily mean that you will be good at your job, but if you put talent, experience and certification together, then you are going to be extremely good at your job. Much better than with only one, or even two of those attributes.
Talent + Experience + Knowledge = Amazing
Get certified! I highly recommend it. If you don't have the talent for IT, then best find something else that you are good at.
AMD hit Intel where it hurts when they released the Athlon. Now the Athlon 64 looks set to be even better. I'm going to buy one as soon as I have enough money (ie next year hopefully).
Acid: As for IT certifications, I am a firm believer (in fact I know this for certain) that getting certified is the best thing you can do.
People who go through the certification process pick up a great deal of knowledge that those who haven't, but have experience, simply don't know about.
Its true that being certified doesn't neccessarily mean that you will be good at your job, but if you put talent, experience and certification together, then you are going to be extremely good at your job. Much better than with only one, or even two of those attributes.
Talent + Experience + Knowledge = Amazing
Get certified! I highly recommend it. If you don't have the talent for IT, then best find something else that you are good at.
somekid007
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LOL! yah the mini-itx form factor does seem to be pretty popular in the htpc and case mod communities
just check out www.mini-itx.com
Crybabytek
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Apples and oranges. What say you go with what your budget constraints are?
True AMD does seem to have a heat generating problem and Intel (knock on wood) is the standard by which every other mfg. bases its specs on.
But, IMHO, buying what what one can afford would be my only consideration.
My students are always wanting to go for speed, which is where I came up with the observation that the only thing that that gets you is the ability to crash twice as fast. LOL
True AMD does seem to have a heat generating problem and Intel (knock on wood) is the standard by which every other mfg. bases its specs on.
But, IMHO, buying what what one can afford would be my only consideration.
My students are always wanting to go for speed, which is where I came up with the observation that the only thing that that gets you is the ability to crash twice as fast. LOL
XtR-X
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Intel, currently with new Hyper Threading technology has an advantage of AMD. I've seen tons of benchmarks because everyone is dieing to know the answer to the question: What's better AMD or Intel?
Performancewise: Intel
Value for buck: AMD
Plus, with Intel, you can actually utilize the 800MHz FSB now with an 8x AGP slot.
Performancewise: Intel
Value for buck: AMD
Plus, with Intel, you can actually utilize the 800MHz FSB now with an 8x AGP slot.
acidosmosis
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The 8x AGP slot has nothing to do with utilizing a 800mhz FSB.
Office Use & 500MHz-1GHz
I know we are all beating a dead horse here...
Its hard to convert a Mac to a PC, and Lynx to Microsoft, and AMD to Intel.
I manage about 50 PCs:
We currently have:
AMD K6, AMD Duron, AMD XP, Intel Celleron, Intel PIII, Intel P4.
Our older K6 and Celleron machines are win98 w/ 128MB...
Most of our office users are Duron, XP, PIII, and P4 w/ win2k and 256MB.
Our company budget is about $500 for a new PC (parts + OS) & our new office users are getting AMD XP. I'm still on PIII 800, but will likely upgrade to something faster later this year (likely AMD), and I'll replace the K6s with new MB and AMD XP.
One of the best things about AMD has been their MB compatability.. I can upgrade my Duron 900 to XP, but with an intel chip I'd have to replace my MB.
C
I know we are all beating a dead horse here...
Its hard to convert a Mac to a PC, and Lynx to Microsoft, and AMD to Intel.
I manage about 50 PCs:
We currently have:
AMD K6, AMD Duron, AMD XP, Intel Celleron, Intel PIII, Intel P4.
Our older K6 and Celleron machines are win98 w/ 128MB...
Most of our office users are Duron, XP, PIII, and P4 w/ win2k and 256MB.
Our company budget is about $500 for a new PC (parts + OS) & our new office users are getting AMD XP. I'm still on PIII 800, but will likely upgrade to something faster later this year (likely AMD), and I'll replace the K6s with new MB and AMD XP.
One of the best things about AMD has been their MB compatability.. I can upgrade my Duron 900 to XP, but with an intel chip I'd have to replace my MB.
C
cool, but i thought HT was just used to fool windows that you have 2 cpu's. but the opteron wil be used for workstations (they would normally have 2 cpu's) so why have HT?
btw i would have prefered a 3.2ghz p4 to my system now but if the athlon 64 or opteron give good performence i could change my mind
btw i would have prefered a 3.2ghz p4 to my system now but if the athlon 64 or opteron give good performence i could change my mind
somekid007
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hehe i just remembered
some of you might want to skoot down to the ExtremeTech's forums.
they have a INTEL vs AMD discussion every week =D
some of you might want to skoot down to the ExtremeTech's forums.
they have a INTEL vs AMD discussion every week =D
somekid007
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hey, extremetech just did a review of the AMD Opteron 144 on nFORCE 3 motherboard. The AMD Opteron 144 blew away the Athlon XP 3200+ and essentially tied the Pentium 4 3.2 GHz. It costs somewhere in the $600 range for 1000 quantities, which is pretty much the same as the P4. Plus, it runs at only 1.8 Ghz, showing great potential for the soon to be released Athlon64.
Too bad i had to buy a 2.4C system =(
Too bad i had to buy a 2.4C system =(
JSR
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somekid007
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oops... sorry about that
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