Which is better? AMD Athlon or Intel Pentium 4?

Mictlantecuhtli: www.newegg.com

Mictlantecuhtli:

Can't see why you'd want to trade that 1.8 GHz P4 in for that feable 1 GHz Dual P3.
That P4 you have there is one of the most overclockable CPUs around.

Take a look over here ...

1.8 P4 @ 3 GHz

Quote ...
"I have my wife's P41.8A@3.006GHz, on an ASUS P4PE
CPU vcore of 1.85, memory@6,2,2,cas2.5, 333MHz"

System ...
P4 1.8@3.006GHz | Volcano 7+ | ASUS P4PE | 512MB Kingston 2700 DDR RAM | Leadtek Geforce 4 Ti4600 ULTRA TD 128MB MyVivo | 40G Barracuda IV Hard Drives | Onboard Sound | 17" LG 775FT Flatron Monitor

Plus majority of the applications dont support dual cpus. Im not sure if games do, but I doubt it.

BeOS ???

"BeOS -- the world's most efficient and intelligently designed operating system. BeOS is optimized from the ground up to excel at handling high-bandwidth audio/visual tasks (some call it "The poor man's SGI"), and is radically fast, no matter what you're doing. But being media-optimized doesn't mean you can't get your daily work done in BeOS too -- the system makes even general productivity tasks a joy, thanks to features like fine-grained pervasive multithreading, a fully scriptable architecture, a sophisticated inter-application messaging model, symmetric multiprocessing, and real-time handling of all tasks." - The BeOS Bible

I guess you're not interested much in playing games then (Mic). That's a very strange choice in OS - Are you a graphics artist maybe?

agreed.

Hmm....artist? I think he's an advocate for use of alternative OS software. Think about it, ever wonder why he's in-charged of the Alternative OS section of the forum?

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AMD = cheaper and faster
Intel = more expensive and slower

Buy AMD. That is all you need to know.


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hehe. i see u havent been paying attention to benchmarks lately. The Northwood "C" benchmarks whips comparably PRICED Athlon XPs all over the place. Check out Tom's Hardware and Anandtech.
The 800 MHz FSB Pentiums 4 ownz

http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20030521/index.html

Athlon XP 2800+ Barton- $171
Pentium 4 2.4 GHZ "C"- $174

the intel wins 19 out of 28 benchmarks (1 tie)

Athlon XP 3000+ Barton- $252
Pentium 4 2.6 GHz "C"- $215

the intel wins 22 of 28 benchmarks and is $35 cheaper

Athlon XP 3200+ Barton- $294
Pentium 4 2.8 GHz "C"- $274

the intel wins 25 of 28 benchmarks and is $20 cheaper

I haven't even compared the 3.0 GHz and 3.2GHz procs yet either.

plus the Abit IS-7 on the i865PE chipset outran most i875P mobos in anandtech's benchmark
( http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20030521/index.html).

this mobo is also cheaper than comparable nForce2 mobos

Abit IS-7- $109
Abit NF-7S- $123

yes, there was once a time when wut u said was true, but now, it is the opposite.

ps. i'd pay more for a 350 hp Benz over a 450hp Chevy =)

Oh please do not tell me you are paying attention to benchmarks. geez.... I'm not even going to say it.

Here is part of the conlusion of a comparison of the top of the line AMD and Intel cpu's at Extreme Tech.

FutureMark part of this comparison here. If you want to read the whole article, get it here. It's quite long, and there are a lot of other game benchies.

Extreme Tech's last word on the subject;

The argument over heating, in my opinion, is correct that athlons run hot. My xp3000+ runs at 56c under a full load not overclocked.
I did overclock it to 2.26 however for grimms and giggles and it never went above 58, but that temperature seems a little high to me because my friend is running 38 degrees on his duron 900!

Tman5487: Get a grip, and stop drawing incorrect conclusions. Of course faster processors run hotter, so its no surprice that an xp3000+ runs much hotter than a duron 900. However the Pentium 3.06 GHz runs the hottest of all current processors on the market. And it isn't temperature that you should be looking at, because that depends a lot on your current system and the heatsink fitted. You should be looking at power consumption as this is where all the heat comes from ( xp3000+ = 74w, p4@3.06 = 82w).

If you want the fastest cpu, regardless of price, then the top end P4C's are your best bet right now (due to support of SSE2 instruction sets - thats why they benchmark higher on newer software only). If its value for money, biggest bang for your buck, that you are after, then an athlon will serve you well. Otherwise you might wait for the Athlon 64 to appear later this year, as it will give Intel quite a fright, and does support SSE2.

Intel created SSE2 in order to compete with AMDs 3D Now! Pro, and since Intel seem to have market support it is their instruction sets that end up being used. If AMDs 3D Now were being implemented more by software houses, then the situation would be reversed and AMD would demolish Intel in all benchmarks.

......put very well nic, cheers. thats why i own one of each. :grinthumb

new guy- tommie j

Intel or AMD??? Blah!

Cyrix all the way!!!!

i own a soltek sl-frn-rl with a barton 2800 AND an asus p4pe with a 3.06 and my 3.06 runs circles around the barton. i was really expecting more from my nforce system and was kind of dissapointed. but then again my intel rig cost twice as much.

tommie j

Your dad sounds like one of those .. ok I'll leave that word out.. people that go get an MCSE and know diddly squat about computers before hand. Just because they can remember questions on a test they get a MCSE certification and a decent job then ruin the IT industry because they know crap about the job and have certification unlike most people.

In other words. Don't listen to your parents. Your parents weren't using computers when they were born. You were. So who should you listen to? Our generation, not theres. Besides, parents think they know everything just because some "network admin" or "techie" told them so or they "read something" or "heard something on the news".

I'll tell you right now, if you wanna be in the IT industry ever or want to be the least bit respected one of the best things to do is to learn who to trust, who to listen to, who to not listen to. If you can master that then you will be well on your way to becoming respected and successful.

the hammer

will leave a smoking gun............opteron is rocketing........it's a not just around the corner thing........it will convert current intel enthusiasts over.....mark my words :grinthumb

Re: the hammer

AMD hit Intel where it hurts when they released the Athlon. Now the Athlon 64 looks set to be even better. I'm going to buy one as soon as I have enough money (ie next year hopefully).

Acid: As for IT certifications, I am a firm believer (in fact I know this for certain) that getting certified is the best thing you can do.

People who go through the certification process pick up a great deal of knowledge that those who haven't, but have experience, simply don't know about.

Its true that being certified doesn't neccessarily mean that you will be good at your job, but if you put talent, experience and certification together, then you are going to be extremely good at your job. Much better than with only one, or even two of those attributes.

Talent + Experience + Knowledge = Amazing

Get certified! I highly recommend it. If you don't have the talent for IT, then best find something else that you are good at.

LOL! yah the mini-itx form factor does seem to be pretty popular in the htpc and case mod communities

just check out www.mini-itx.com