Which is better? AMD Athlon or Intel Pentium 4?

Sounds interesting, care to give us a link?

I searched all over the net and into many stores about one month ago, no one sold a mobo that supported PC800 and had an 8x AGP slot. How can I link to that?

I saw the board at frys. I still don't remember the exact name of the board, though, I will be back to reply as soon as I find it.

8x AGP is not a big deal. It provides little to no performance boost over 4x. Even more significant is that AGP will soon be replaced by PCI Express. It won't happen immediately of course but I suspect it'll be in use quite a bit come next spring. Nvidia's roadmaps point to NV40 being the last high-end AGP by them. They are planning to switch their entire lineup to PCI Express.

Having an 800MHz FSB is great, but 8x AGP is nothing to go crazy about.

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,639254,00.asp

www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?...s=&minprice=&maxprice=&description=800&page=1

I did a search at www.newegg.com and came across a number of boards that support both 800MHz FSB as well as 8x AGP. A few do not support an 800MHz FSB but the rest do. They all have support for 8x AGP. However, we know that performance increase of running the AGP at 8x is negligible in most games.

Yes, I know they sell them now. It was about 1 month ago or so when they didnt.

I'm the kind of person who has to have those slight performance increases. Exactly why Intel is what I like.

you know

i wish x, you would get your head out of your @ .....64 bit is here.....they've been benchmarking 3.0 p4's against xp 2700+ with 800 fsb boards ......as for the memory these boards use, Papa, it's DDR 333/400 2700/3200 ram, 800fsb.........and the performance gain is about 10 to 20 fps "maybe" in most games against a 2700+ w/333 fsb.............not even the 400fsb...........now with hammer, here, i can't even believe we're dicussing this bs.........x, go right ahead and get a p4 cpu............it will not be long before we hear you cryin' hammer or prescott..........and, your response regarding acids comment on AGP...tell me what that has to do with what you're sayin'.............he gave you a specific statement regarding agp, so how did that equate to it's availability...............all he said was the 8x agp slot has nothing to do with utilizing an 800fsb...................what's your beef :rolleyes:

In all honesty ladies and gents, I'm better than both AMD and Intel........and thats the truth!!

There have been several times when I planned a new system that I wanted to try a P4 but the price was always more than a Athlon XP. I've never built a XP system yet that was junk. The XP is a very good processor. I would recommend it to anyone. I've have several of them and all have been very stable. The heat issue is easily resolved with some good thermal compound and a decent heatsink/fan combo. I had one cpu that was getting hot and sent for a Dynatron hs/fan at 5500 rpm. That cooled it quite a bit.

I can't say much about Intel chips because I haven't had one, but for a budget-minded computer the xp is great.

Re: you know

Whoa calm down... I've got no beef here with anyone. In most benchmarks I've seen, a 3000+ doesn't match up to a 3.0GHz. The Intels have the slightest advantage. 10-20fps is a pretty good increase, IMO.

God, what is up with you guys and the 64, it's not gonna take over the 32 bit world for a couple more years at least, or even more (I gotta add a IMO before I get accused of false or misleading information, just like everyone likes to point out before hearing me out).

I know 8x AGP has NOTHING to do with 800FSB or even PC800 if thats what you meant. It's the fact that no one sold a board that supported PC800 and came equiped with an 8x AGP slot (take note that I used the word sold, in past tense). I've been trying to state that and restate that ever since I replied up to acid.

I already have an AMD, too late.

My bad, PC800.

x, i'm not attacking you

just don't get defensive........the new 64 has an 800 fsb with hyper transport...........read the link on the new opteron 64 motherboards, currently available OMFG! http://www.via.com.tw/en/k8-series/k8t800.jsp
and, over at extreme tech, the lowest rated opteron the 144 @ 1.8 gigahertz kicked the p4 3.4.........currently the proceesors are the same price, but amd is reducing their processors now by 34% and, that includes opteron

Ok, so you're going to tell me you're going to go run out to the store and buy a 64, before they have been developed well and the need isn't there. There's not even that many mobos for the 64... what's the big idea? No selection. Well... that's just you... go buy a 64.... the need isn't there... 64 didn't take over yet and won't take over for a while.

yeah, i'm gonna do it

the prices for the mobo are around 200, and the 144/240 is around 250 and available, and that about the equivalent to a 3.2 p4 with 64 scalability, and, backwards compatible......and the p4 alone is 650,not including the mobo...... come on, you'd buy this?......but, not that......i will buy that low a level processor, .......as i can afford to aim higher than that........i am waiting for the next tier of games to arrive so i can completely convert my system, videocard, et all................with money not an object

That's just you go for it... there's not that much selection.

yeah

not yet

Heh... I find it useful in these situations to just be patient. Once 64bit CPUs hit mainstream market and the boards supporting them are the new hot item, within a month, the prices on all other AMD chips is going to fly down, at least from what I remember when the pentium hit the stores.

Then, building myself a nice dual athlon XP 2400+ system will be dirt cheap, a dual p4 system might even be within my reach. Then a year or so down the road when I feel getting a 64bit system is actually worth it (since by then a slew of apps will have been produced to take advantage of it in the windows environment), I not only have a kickass box I built for a good price sitting by my side, but I'll also be able to get new shiny cream of the crop stuff for half the price it was a few months before.

its just that

the prices are too close or even favor of the new platform, now.........two opteron 240's would be currently 500 bucks..............so, .....for the difference, why even pay for the 32 bit system...........even if it's less..................how much less?............a few buck differential and you're sporting 800fsb hypertransportn dual channel, backwards compatible...........windows xp 64 will launch q1 in 2004

It's still going to be a LONG time before opterons/athlon 64s even attempt to be mainstream though. We're stuck with AthlonXPs and lower end Opterons for a while.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

This is what I direct to JSR.

i know this, .......do i care?

i'm just not mainstream.....these things are built for gaming, i've seen the benchmarks......so, i'm gonna drag around the biggest gun,......... to compensate, for any inadequacies that i may have, as i blow your @ss out of the water