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Zombie survival tips?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Dawn1113, Jul 26, 2012.

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  1. Ranger12 TechSpot Booster Posts: 484   +40

    I would definitely make a bee line for a rural area. As Matthew touched on briefly there is bound to be survivors who are not so good natured. When the poop hits the fan even nice people will rob you blind to survive and may even kill you to steal your supplies. If you're in a urban area I would guess that at least near the beginning of the outbreak you run a bigger risk of getting attacked by uninfected people. In rural area it would be much easier to hide out not to mention there would be a smaller population to be infected. Also, eventually food would run out. In that case you would want to be somewhere where you can grow and/or hunt your own food and that aint gonna happen in the city. Also, you can only go a few days without fresh water and you cant carry much water as it typically weighs something like 8lbs per gallon. In a rural area you could much more easily find fresh water. Also, there's the problem of disease. People living in a city with no running water or electricity are going to create and spread diseases rather rapidly much like they did in medieval times when people started moving into large cities again. All in all I think the most rural place you can find is probably going to be youre best option.
  2. Zen TechSpot Paladin Posts: 938   +41

    Who said anything about running? Oh no, no, no, I wouldn't run until it was absolutely necessary, energy conservation! And why worry about my training and how far I can run, I'm not worried about it, anyone who has tuned Zombie and try's to run away, that's fine, no sweat, it's alright. For the time someone takes off running to the time I squeeze off a round from my Desert Eagle, that monster or person would have to run approx. 55 to 60 yards away from me, to be out of my effective kill zone.

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  3. davislane1 TechSpot Booster Posts: 388   +83

    How’s this?

    Scenario 1:
    You wake up at 5:00AM for work (if you don’t get up that early normally, you do now! :p), you’re going through your morning routine when you turn on the news and hear that your state/territory/province has been quarantined due to an infectious disease outbreak that’s turning people into unstoppable killing machines. Your chances of escaping are effectively zero because the military is killing anything and everything that penetrates their designated perimeter. You’ve no clue whether friends/family are aware of the situation. The only information you have is that a zombie outbreak occurred 12 hours ago and anything on the border of your state/territory is being lit up like a cheap cigarette. The types of creatures you will be facing are those from the 28 Days Later universe. (Fake edit: you wake up in a hospital.)

    Scenario 2:
    The whole world has gone to Hell in a hand basket. The infected are as diverse as the victims in the Resident Evil universe (everything from lethargic scenery creatures to gruesomely mutated predators & “super humans”). Anywhere you go you are likely to encounter some type of infected life form both in the forms of the people AND the local wildlife (if applicable). For example, choosing to remain in the city may mean easy access to supplies at the cost of having to constantly evade slow-moving flesh-eaters, while escaping to the mountains means greater general safety but the off chance of being chased through the woods by a mutated grizzly with a people problem. In short, every decision you make will have substantial risks.
  4. dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,212   +278

    True enough...but physical force allied with communication allowed the human to gain that foothold. Urbanization has largely made humans a specialized species. Look at any "escaped zoo/circus animal runs amok", or "a wild animal walks into a bar (human conurbation)" story- doesn't it usually play out as the animal turning unprepared people into steak tartare while the majority run away and wait for a specialist to turn up with a gun ?
    That same mentality that stops the majority of people tackling an armed (and sometimes unarmed) assailant to save themselves would surely come into play. Is there a difference between a horde of zombies and one guy with an assault rifle ? Without training/preperation/reflex I'm pretty certain most peoples initial (and possibly last) thought would be "This can't be happening"

    I'd think the biggest factors to take into consideration would be shock and social conditioning, so no, physical or mental strength wouldn't be an overriding requirement - an advantage to be sure, but the ability to react quickly in a high stress fluid situation where problem solving is likely to require physical confrontation. From what I've read, everyone must either be already armed to the teeth or live next to an arsenal- that isn't the case where I live. A lot of households have guns, but most are locked in gun safes, the ammunition is a finite commodity -and usually hidden/locked away from the weapons. Depending on the zombie/survivor ratio and population density, survival might depend on having to act in a limited time,with limited resources on a less than ideal battleground ...I.e. UC&P.
  5. Matthew TechSpot Staff Posts: 5,895   +59

    Agreed to an extent about us being domesticated and specialized. Frankly, I think just about anyone without a strong local community or a billion dollar bunker would be done for. There's only so much one person can do on their own. I maintain emergency rations of food and water because I'm in rural PA (~30 minutes from a major grocery store that's open late enough for me to shop) and power outages are common here (no water when the power's out in my apartment). I wouldn't say I'm armed to the teeth, but I have over a thousand rounds for my 12 gauge and I intend to pick up a .38/.357 revolver in the near future.

    Even with that, the odds are reasonable that I'd be dead in a matter of weeks or months. I think people grossly overestimate their abilities in a survival situation. So, someone flees to the wilderness like a hotshot mountain man and they plan to rough it in the woods or whatever. They'd likely be doing a zillion things they've either never done before or they've only done a few times -- chopping wood, traversing unfamiliar terrain, hunting and foraging, consuming untreated water and so on. It'd take one sprained ankle, one slip with an axe, one contaminated sip and they'd be screwed without assistance and/or medical attention.

    It should also be noted that most firearms would likely be useless in your common zombie defense scenario. The horde's greatest strength is, well, being a horde. The last thing you'd want to do is kill one zombie near the perimeter of your encampment and attract dozens or hundreds more. The only worthwhile firearm I can think of having is a .22LR with subsonic rounds. Cheap and compact enough to obtain and carry in bulk, quiet enough to keep a low profile, yet powerful enough to puncture a rotting skull. And again, even with this weapon, I don't think you'd make it very long without a group of dependable people to lean on.
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  6. dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,212   +278

    Most definitely. My country -New Zealand- seems famous for it's adventure holidays and rugged terrain. You can usually bank on 2-3 stories a week featuring some underprepared tourist "adventurer" getting lost in forests/ski fields - no mean feat when you consider that the country has no native predators larger than a cat.
    Even with every second guy in the country being able to fish, shoot, use a compass, make shelter etc. I doubt that many would survive...and then you look at the city dwellers and the fun of having to account for threat in a vertical plane (above and below) in addition to scoping out whats in front and behind...we-l-l-l...it conjures up film footage of streetfighting in Stalingrad or Berlin in WWII, but without the ideology, equipment or training.
    Agreed on the stealth approach- and that was sensibly/realistically portrayed in the British mini-series "Dead Set" (well worth a watch if you haven't already). You probably wouldn't want to test the zombies athletic ability by using yourself as a test subject - weapons have been known to jam, and reloading in extremis isn't going to be an emulation of Rambo.
     
  7. Matthew TechSpot Staff Posts: 5,895   +59

    I'll be sure to do that, thanks for the recommendation.
  8. Archean TechSpot Paladin Posts: 5,750   +29

    I wonder why no one mentioned boarding Star Ship Enterprise and scooting off to a Zombie free planet in a nearby galaxy? :cool:

    I think Mathew's solutions seems more plausible, as it also offers a way of replenishing food stocks (I.e. by growing more of it on the island + fish etc.) but with one caveat, if you run out of ammo, things can get bit complicated.

    Whereas, DBZ's solution at least have one advantage, you can cruise away (as long as you have lots of fuel) from any apparent danger. To thwart them from walking their way to the ship, you can always park it somewhere like Mariana trench?

    On a more serious note, I am still not sure which weapon I'd like to have to kill approaching zombies, any ideas guys?
  9. dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,212   +278

    And be cooped up with a starship full of trekkies? I'd rather take my chances with the zombies...the zombies that aren't into cosplay that is.
    If zombies can walk across the floor of the port, swim up to the keel, and then traverse a reverse angle/sheer side of a welded steel hull, I'm pretty certain nowhere would be safe. The ship idea is that you're a floating island- having zombies flocking to you would seem to be the best outcome- an underwater zombie would likely "wear out" ( fish, crustaceans, tidal action) faster than on land.
    I wouldn't bother sailing the ship anywhere. Unless you can navigate the port channel and have somewhere to go, stay in the port. I did a stint on a cruise liner a few years ago- the inwards food stores amounted to ~30 tonnes (smallish ship ~45000 tonnes, 650-1300 passengers) without fresh fruit/vegetables, stock carried over, and freezer storage.
    972G armoured bulldozer. No muss, no fuss
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    Added advantage of being a turbo diesel six. Low maintenance, good fuel economy. A real head turner...or squasher
  10. Archean TechSpot Paladin Posts: 5,750   +29

    I am inclining more towards a hybrid vehicle, which have front end of this beast and cabin/turret/105 mm L52 M68 rifled cannon & 1 x .50-caliber (12.7 mm) M2HB heavy machine gun of M1. :D
  11. Archean TechSpot Paladin Posts: 5,750   +29

    Oops I clicked to post it once, but some bug perhaps caused to it to be posted couple of times.
  12. dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,212   +278

    I'd think armour piercing .50cal might be a little overkill, let alone a 105. Of course if they're densely packed the performance/m² goes way up. You could go with the full Jesse Ventura treatment if you're feeling frivolous ( luxury version optional)

    Weapon choice might be down to what kind of zombies you're dealing with;
    Euro zombies (28 Days later, Dead Set, Dead Snow) Fast. Long endurance, Cunning....Human analog: Boozed up European football hooligans
    American zombies (Romero's ___of the Dead) S-L-O-W. Not particularly with it....Human analog: Octagenarian Alzheimer sufferers at the supermarket/ Stoners poring over a KFC menu
  13. Leeky TS Special Forces Posts: 4,354   +68

    The Israeli's sure do know how to make fantastic guns. Although my favourite sidearm of choice has to go to its 9mm sibling, the Baby Desert Eagle II, BE9915RL (full size, 9mm, 15 round, polymer). Picture below is the sub-compact model, full size is half inch longer on the barrel.

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    And backing that up would be a sub-compact 9mm, most likely a Glock 26, another gunsmith I thoroughly trust.

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    Its insanely accurate in the right hands for such a small pistol. Definitely one of the best BUG's in my opinion.

    A nice silenced submachine gun is always wise, along with the larger clip as well, which would make it ideal for "silently" killing larger numbers of zombies. So I'd have a H&K MP5SD6 too:

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    And aye, I've deliberately gone for three weapons using the same ammo. The MP5SD6 doesn't need subsonic rounds either, works with pretty much anything and I know for a fact I'd rather carry a single calibre round rather than several different types to accommodate other firearms.

    I'd complement these with a very good sniper rifle, for picking off zombies at a long range, hunting and for distraction purposes. Not quite sure what I'd choose however. Another "silent" weapon is essential, so I'd go with arrows and a nice bow mechanism as well.

    .50Cal would be serious overkill. I personally think 9mm provides more than enough stopping power with head shots.

    Ten years ago I'd have fancied my chances in most environments, but these days I think I'd be safer in numbers with others. I have neither the stamina, strength (bad back) nor agility to be in the wilderness alone these days. That said though, I used to be a crack shot with most weapons, and while its been a while since I've shot (UK laws suck on that front, frankly!), it wouldn't take much practice to bring me back up to my previous best.
  14. red1776 Omnipotent Ruler of the Universe Posts: 5,801   +25

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    One of these (Talon riot control Vehicle) and a plentiful supply of MRE's ,( the meatloaf is particularly tasty) problem solved. :cool:
  15. Leeky TS Special Forces Posts: 4,354   +68

    Aye, would be a tough choice as to which was more useful, bigger or more agile. On one hand a fully armoured RUV like this would make a fantastic "safe" home, it's going to be useless when in a tight spot. Whereas a Hummer or even an APC would be so much better 90% of the time -- lets face it, cars and rubbish will be littered everywhere on the road, it would be nice to have something to just "move" them out of the way. :)

    It's doubtful you'd find me dressed like those in the films and TV as well, I'd be in body armour if I was outside. At least it gives you slightly more fighting chance if they get too close.

    The cruiseship idea sounds like a good place to hold up. But I'd be worried such a large ship had zombies inside it, and clearing it would be a logisitcal nightmare. You could literally miss one room with a couple of them inside and wake up one morning to find them chewing on you!

    If you could guarantee it was zombie-free you'd be laughing though, as it would have massive stores and fuel to last a very long time if its not moving.

    I'm not sure where would be best tbh. Definitely somewhere above ground though, because as nice as a bunker is, once you're surrounded you're stuck where you are, until you die trying to escape, or die from starvation.

    So on that note, somewhere in the middle of nowhere in a very small community would be ideal. Ideally one with a concrete made building of several floors. Steel plating and other reinforcements on the ground floor windows, as well as inside on the ground floor. Welded up doors and access to the upper floors, and then you've a contain area above ground that can be defended, and know the ground floor is heavily defended too. It would also give you a higher plain to see the areas surrounding you, and a "safe" place to deploy the sniper rifle to pick off long-range targets should they become a threat. Plus you could use the roof to grow food on and collect rainwater.

    I do think the big boat idea is a good one though. If it was small enough to move, but large enough to store a lot of fuel and food stuff it would be ideal. Could use a smaller boat to get to shore if you needed more supplies then.
  16. Marnomancer TechSpot Booster Posts: 801   +46

    Whoa, looks like I'm not the only nuthead preparing for a zombie apocalypse. :p
    Will post my plan ASAP. :)
  17. Jay Pfoutz Malware Helper Posts: 4,286   +49

    After missing yesterday's convo...I'm lost. Time to read up. :p
  18. Dawn1113 TechSpot Booster Posts: 351   +57

    Whoa! Those vehicles look serious. But how much fuel do those things consume? Getting fuel will take some very dangerous work.

    I'm with Matt on the choice of weapons. A .22LR would be excellent -- easy to shoot, not much noise, and not too much of a burden in terms of weight and bulk. A Colt Woodsman would be a perfect survival companion. I have no experience with subsonic rounds, though. I've never even seen on of those let alone had the chance to fire a round.

    As to surviving in the wilderness, well, part of my plan involves finding Bear Grylls. :D

    Leeky's suggestion sounds good: a small, relatively isolated community out in the countryside. The fortified building sounds good, as well. Maybe a rural bank building? You'd have to clear it, first, of course, and do it room by room. The vault would be my panic room -- the place I go to when everything begins to go wrong and the horde is about to get me. Ugh. I'd probably choose to suffocate in the vault before I let them have me for dinner.

    And, yeah, I saw "Dead Set". Good show, that was. A lot of fun, scary moments.
  19. dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,212   +278

    A vehicle that uses diesel is a better bet than conventional gasoline. Gasoline loses volatility as it ages- diesel being less volatile has a longer shelf life. The Cat 972G I posted uses ~25 litres/hour for continuous use as a loader, or ~ 8.5-9 MPG ( ~900 miles/1450km on a tank). Caterpillar 3116 engine is about as bullet proof/maintenance free as it gets. Of course that option depends on whether you're confident of tooling around in it - in the middle of a zombie apocalypse probably isn't the best time for driving lessons. Getting gas is as easy as siphoning via the inspection hatch of a service stations undergound tank (use a battery powered pump). Probably easier to drive to a regional gas distribution outlet and take it direct from tanker trucks if you want volume.
    He could come in handy if you need pointers on drinking your own urine. I'd be more inclined to stay with terrain and level of "wilderness" you're already familiar with- would seem like a steep learning curve to have to contend with infected cannibals while educating yourself in a whole new enviroment
    Probably depends on how many of you there are...course if you planning on shooting first and asking no questions later then virtually any decent building that you could block entry to would be fine. If you're dealing with American Zombies (wandering around, no good at climbing) then just block the ground floor exits with vehicles (a la the original Dawn of the Dead -1978) and use a ladder to gain entry to a second story- pull up the ladder after you. If there's a lot of people in your group then a fortified building pretty much means putting yourself into prison...not much fun there.
  20. Archean TechSpot Paladin Posts: 5,750   +29

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    Now that is more appropriate choice for a transport in such doomsday scenario, Marauder armored personnel carrier produced by Paramount Group in SAR. :D

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    It can take a hit from rocket launcher and survive, or even C4 can't do much damage to this beast.

    A perfect vehicle to run over scores of zombies, and when you get tired of that, there is alway other options available ;)
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