No comment.

Hi RBS.

The reputation and thread rating system was only introduced today. We are all starting from scratch, hence the reason for you and I as well as most other members have no rating as yet.

Hopefully, Julio will make an announcement in due course.

Regards Howard :)

You guys got nothing better to do?You assume otherwise?

Also I think it is worth noting that initially, until people start getting several votes under their belt, the rankings are going to fluctuate wildly. So no reason to get upset and throw a tantrum if you are in the red.

No comment.

We are still trying to figure out the system... we were all supposed to start from scratch but suddenly reputation points went through the roof, so please bear with us. The idea was to make it a good feature for everyone.

I don't know who gave me my green rating, but thx :)

No comment.

It does serve a purpose.
The intent is for people to rate the post, and therefore over time a person's ranking becomes a loose indicator of how trustworthy the advice given is. If we have a member that continually offers shoddy advice their rating will be lower than one that consistently gives poor advice.

There are restrictions on the ratings too so it would be very difficult to abuse the system.

The terms are at the default ones so far and can be changed and likely will.

Rarely are things ever perfect when they first get implemented, and this will no doubt see some changes in how it works. If you don't like it then just ignore it.

So Rick and SNGX are beyond repute, eh? And that after only 1 day?
Curiouser and curiouser...
What is all that about? There is/was something wierd with the ratings yesterday when it was first implemented. It was only taking 1 vote to run people up that high, if you look several other members have it too, it wasn't just Rick and I. Julio and I both said in this thread there would be some issues with it as we are trying to get things worked out.

No comment.

How does it work?

I still think it is utter nonsense. How are you preventing abuse?

Really good point...

There is a limit on how many in a 24 hour period.

Also if you rate person X something you must rate a certain number of other people before you are allowed to rate person X again.

Why are you so against this other than "ridiculous" "booooring!" and "nonsense". What do you have to lose in it?

I am in this home office most of the day and sometimes into the wee hours. I try to answer posts with no replies first. I don't have a lot of patients with a lot of members posts. We all have our good days and our bad days... I'm not saying this "Reputation" thing is bad, it's just that many of us spend a lot of time here, and we sincerely want to help

You don't have to rate every post of course. The original intention was to have it display what a particular post was given, the average. So if you saw a particularly good post or a particularly bad post you could rate that. Regardless of how much someone wants to help, if they post bad advice it is still bad advice, this helps give an indication to the person (or anyone else) needing help on a problem which posts are good. It would be similar to digg.com's system of public up or down ratings, and hopefully in time we get that worked out. Ratings wouldn't be displayed until 3 or 5 or 10 or whatever were recorded, so 1 negative rating doesn't kill the credibility of the post.

A lot of things that got discussed before implementing this aren't working/avaiable yet.

I hope RBS's adament refusal to accept this is because there was no OFFICIAL explanation of what is happening and he is just lashing out at the current state of this feature. I hoped the comments by Julio and myself would be enough, but apparently they aren't. It hasn't even been 48 hours since it began.

WE (TS) want to make this forum as good as possible, does anyone actually think we just tossed this out there without thinking and discussion on it? IF we can't get everything we want out of it I imagine it will get removed, but we think this can be a benefit not a detriment.

As has been said. It`s new and it`s going to take a while to settle down, while the teething problems are ironed out.

It may indeed turn out to be a bad idea, who knows? However, if that does happen, I`m certain it can be changed or got rid of.

I think it`s worth giving it a chance first, rather than disapproving of it after only a day.

Regards Howard :)

Yeah. It's cool. As long as I'm not in the red...:D

This is a nice feature to have :)

What is the significance of the darker and lighter shades of green? And obviously, I'm not talking about myself. :)

That`s a very good question mailpup, unfortunately I don`t know the answer.

I`d be interested to know though.

Regards Howard :)

I agree that the ratings system should be given it's fair chance. If TS doesn't try it how will we know that it won't work? As I am trying live by more and more these days "I would rather try and fail than not try at all."

I would say that as long as proper consideration has been given (and it seems it has) lets give it a whirl and see what happens.

I think it is pretty cool. I dont really know what it is for? As long as you give out good advice who cares? But I think we should give it a whirl.

Just like I said in my first post, we are merely testing the feature and it will obviously take us a while (more than 2 days - and probably no less than a couple weeks) to see if it really works as we intend it to, or not.

Personally I have no desire to use ratings or rankings that will detriment the experience within our community, on the contrary, the idea is to give it a go and see if we can put them to good use (as a side note, we DO have a prevention system set up to control abuse). There is also the possibility of resetting everybody's reputation after the trial period is over, and start from scratch with tested & proven settings.

RBS, you have been a very valuable member long enough for not giving us a chance (and trusting us), feel free to ignore the current usage of the rep system.

Finally, I want to thank everybody for the feedback and the support we keep receiving... and while we are on the subject, if you happen to be a member of another forum and you have seen any features worth a try here, bring them up for discussion!

Been gone only a few days and I'm being crapped on? I don't get it?!!?? WTF?

I've been here for 2 years and I think I've contributed quite a bit! Just look at a lot of the guides that are posted!

So I get a red line? What's that mean? I'm gonna get kicked off?
I hope that's not what it appears to be. This is pretty insulting!

No comment.

Another relevant point I did not cover previously is that the system should be working in the long term and not the short term... meaning myself and some of the other moderators should probably have 1/100 of the reputation power we got now, so the weighting in our votes should not be as high, and getting a red block should not be any easier than getting ONE green one. Getting multiple greens should be a result of many many users giving you a good score overtime (probably no less than 6mo to a year).

.... Of course that is all in theory until we get to figure out how vB developers put this thing together.

Wearing the red now, just trying to prove it should not mean anything for the time being

ok. you had me scared for a sec

More information I have found after some heavy googling...

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showpost.php?p=656507&postcount=45
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57651
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=107413
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=93644

Back to 0 everyone... new settings applied and hopefully will work as described before.
Reputation system now = the Karma system :)

No comment.

I did look at your other posts, it took until after I posted that before you explained in any rational way why you didn't like it.

I am disappointed that someone that has been here a few years has such disrespect towards our members, calling people willing to give it a shot "sheep".

No comment.

I guess the forum moderators can see if somebody's targeting a particular person or just giving tons of people bad reputations just for dumb. It seems it would work as long as nobody abuses it.

RBS: You`re entitled to an opinon, that goes without saying, but is there really any need to put it across in the manner that you have?

To be frank, I`m disappointed, saddened and a little shocked that a member of your standing would resort to such derogatory remarks.

It has already been said that there will be teething problems and that at the end of the day, if it doesn`t work it can be changed or got rid of. Simply to poo poo something without even giving it a chance doesn`t make much sense to me. At least consider giving it a fair go, before pouring cold water on the idea.

Regards Howard :(

Yes,
now that the "reputation" markers have been explained a little clearer, I'm not so concerned either... Let's try it!

First: it is against the First Amendment (funny it needs a non-national to point that out).

...wait...isn't this forum based out of where Julio lives...in Ecuador...

In a privately owned and operated forum like this one, there is no "First Amendment" regardless of where the servers are located or where the owner is. IMHO, the best run forums are like benign dictatorships. You can't let everyone post anything they like. Forums have rules and for the grey areas the rules don't cover well, admins and mods may use their best judgment.

For that matter, consider that even in a U.S. newspaper its editors decide what is printed or what is not printed. I cannot insist they print my viewpoint if they don't want to. Heh, sorry if this is a bit off topic.

You people are actually discussing legal ramifications? Come on, now!

We don't need a constitutional doctrine to figure out if the Karma system is ethical or not... Just hang in there, try it out... If you like it or don't like that's fine.

In reality though, I know the 'majority' here will decide if it is worth having or not. If anything, it isn't a gauage of member quality, but it serves as a 'fun little extra'. I suspect those who do good things on the forum will get good karma in return, those who do questionable things will get bad karma in return and those who vocalize their opinions and convictions..? Well, on average, you'll probably fall somewhere inbetween. ;)

I say let's give it a few weeks, and if we have problems then; we can deal with them.

As I mentioned before the karma scores were all reset to 0 and the weightings for the algorithm were totally changed to reflect a busy long standing forum like ours.

With that in mind I suggest you use it if you want to, and give good/bad karma points to posts you believe are valuable or viceversa.

Remember though, karma is given to posts, not to people. With this I mean that you are scoring the individual posts people make, not if you like or dislike a person opinion, posting style, etc.

That kind of changes everything...

Latest update... the karma system is now fully working and it does not appear to have such horrible bugs as before with the new settings. Still in testing phase.

I've never been a big fan of popularity contests. To me they're superficial.

I like the idea behind it, however I don't think it will work as intended...

I like the idea itself because post counts alone don't reflect post "quality", they only reflect post "quantity". for example... some members may have a high post count, but don't actually contribute much in terms of helping people. on the flip side, some members may have low post counts, but the quality of their posts is very good. please note: I'm not referring to any member(s) in particular, I'm just using hypothetical examples ;)

the reason why I don't think it will work as intended is because the object is to rate the quality of a particular post itself, not the person who wrote it. however I think the majority of "ratings" will be entirely based of somebody's opinion of another member (having little to do with the post itself). but I'm interested in seeing how it works out.

also, I don't know if this is possible, but i personally think it would be better if instead of colored blocks next to the user name, the rating was listed as a numeric value underneath the post count.?

:wave:

I searched my name and kep seeing this:

http://img506.imageshack.us/img506/1954/untitledls0.jpg

That refers to your karma standing. If you hover your mouse pointer over your karma icon next to your username, you`ll see it says the same thing. If you click your user profile you`ll see a list of your karma. If you also click on your own karma button in one of your own posts, you`ll see exactly how many karma points you have.

Regards Howard :)

Oh...:bounce:....thanks Howared :wave: !

Referring to an earlier thread about something, I checked my Karma and it said I have 48 Karma points, although I only have ~4 positive karma in my user profile listed. I was just wondering how the "point" system worked :dead: .

You could have made that file much smaller by saving it as a 4 color gif or png.

(Off-topic) You don't have clear-type enabled?

Lol, there are people who actually use cleartype?

But what the hell is the point of the "karma" system?!

This thread HERE (http://www.techspot.com/vb/topic69824.html) may go some way to explaining it.

Regards Howard :)