Alabama-based Amazon fulfillment center workers decisively vote against unionization

Xallisto

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I just don't understand why u would not unionize in a situation like this, Amazon wants your labour and u are in a far better position to negotiate terms of that labour if ur negotiating as a collective body rather than each individual on his own.
 

Austinturner

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I just don't understand why u would not unionize in a situation like this, Amazon wants your labour and u are in a far better position to negotiate terms of that labour if ur negotiating as a collective body rather than each individual on his own.
I tend to agree, but some workers may have considered that if just one fulfilment centre unionised Amazon may well have closed it and retrenched everyone just to discourage future unionisation efforts (as walmart has done elsewhere), some workers may be against unions for political reasons (e.g. strong conservatives), others might fee that they get paid competitively and paying union fees for a collective agreement might not have led to them being better off. I can’t confidently say they aren’t right about closure being likely or being better off today to be honest.
 

Xallisto

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Amazon may well have closed it and retrenched everyone just to discourage future unionisation efforts (as walmart has done elsewhere)

Why am I reminded of something my father always told me about bullies and how once u turn around and smack them in the face they move onto bullying someone else who won't hit them back.

I certainly understand that folks are fearful of losing thier jobs, but if that means to live under the yoke of an entitty that wants u divided so that you are easier to conquer.

Can't be much of a work life.
 

SixTymes

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"Amazon used fake Twitter accounts to pretend workers did not want a union. Amazon has been accused of dirty tricks in its fight to stop its workers from forming a union. Votes are currently being counted in Alabama to decide whether Amazon warehouse workers will form a union. But last night, a series of anti-union tweets were sent from accounts claiming to be staff. Twitter has now suspended many of the accounts, and Amazon has confirmed at least one is fake. Most of the accounts were made just a few days ago, often with only a few tweets, all related to Amazon.

"What bothers me most about unions is there's no ability to opt-out of dues", one user under the handle @AmazonFCDarla tweeted, despite a state law in Alabama that prevents this. "Amazon takes great care of me", she added.

Another account - which later changed its profile picture after it was revealed to be fake - said: "Unions are good for some companies, but I don't want to have to shell out hundreds a month just for lawyers!"

Many of the accounts involved used the handle @AmazonFC followed by a first name. Amazon has previously used this handle for its so-called Amazon Ambassadors - employees who are paid to promote and defend it on Twitter."
 

captaincranky

Posts: 16,518   +5,319
Why am I reminded of something my father always told me about bullies and how once u turn around and smack them in the face they move onto bullying someone else who won't hit them back.
Well, this is sort of wonderfully conventional folk wisdom. But, the question then becomes, what happens if the bully turns around and knocks you the f*** out, or in these times, whips out his 9 mil and blows your brains out?
I certainly understand that folks are fearful of losing thier jobs, but if that means to live under the yoke of an entitty that wants u divided so that you are easier to conquer.

Can't be much of a work life.
Unions are, like any other institution capable of being corrupted from within. From time to time you hear stories of pension funds being plundered, officials being investigated sometimes with union leaders being indicted.

The grand daddy of all these stories, is the disappearance oh the Teamsters president Jimmy Hoffa. He was the president of the international Teamsters, basically the umbrella organization for every craft union in the US.

Federal employees have unions, but they can be a bit toothless, since most (all?) the contracts have "no strike" clauses. The letter carriers union falls into this.

At the end of the day, employees wind up wedged between two 900 pound gorillas, waiting to see which one wins.

Here's the story of Jimmy Hoffa: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Hoffa

And remember, "power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely", no matter which side is wielding it.
 

Darth Shiv

Posts: 2,153   +752
So, if the "pro" union votes had won, and the "anti" union votes challenged it, would the "pro" votes say you can't challenge the vote?
No but you have to have legal grounds to be successful in an appeal right? It's the point of an appeals process. What are you even trying to say?
 

Darth Shiv

Posts: 2,153   +752
"Amazon used fake Twitter accounts to pretend workers did not want a union. Amazon has been accused of dirty tricks in its fight to stop its workers from forming a union. Votes are currently being counted in Alabama to decide whether Amazon warehouse workers will form a union. But last night, a series of anti-union tweets were sent from accounts claiming to be staff. Twitter has now suspended many of the accounts, and Amazon has confirmed at least one is fake. Most of the accounts were made just a few days ago, often with only a few tweets, all related to Amazon.

"What bothers me most about unions is there's no ability to opt-out of dues", one user under the handle @AmazonFCDarla tweeted, despite a state law in Alabama that prevents this. "Amazon takes great care of me", she added.

Another account - which later changed its profile picture after it was revealed to be fake - said: "Unions are good for some companies, but I don't want to have to shell out hundreds a month just for lawyers!"

Many of the accounts involved used the handle @AmazonFC followed by a first name. Amazon has previously used this handle for its so-called Amazon Ambassadors - employees who are paid to promote and defend it on Twitter."
Yeah nothing suss about that at all. What a shonky company.
 

Arbie

Posts: 241   +448
SIGH..this bulls**t again? There was a MOUNTAIN of evidence. The courts, bought off by Facebook (to the tune of $350 million), and the FBI which was weaponized by the Obama admininstration, simply refused to hear it. Or maybe you didn't read the Time Magazine article where they crowed about a huge left-wing conspiricy disenfranchising Trump voters, changing laws at the last minute to make election fraud easier, etc? Its pretty eye-opening, and very depressing.
SIGH... this BS again?

Another month and you still haven't bothered to read the Time article you keep mentioning. It says nothing about the election being stolen! It outlines how big anti-Trump money got together and funded well-organized opposition to him, largely aimed at "get out the vote". There is zero about those votes being illegitimate. Here's the article you seem unable to find:
https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/
There was big money on the Trump side too, but unlike 2016 they were outplayed, even with Russian help. And of course Trump had come to be despised by many of his 2016 supporters. So... most Republicans won (think about that!) while he lost.

As for the "mountains" of evidence... none has surfaced. In ~60 court cases with probably $100M spent on digging it up. Trump's lawyers did not even allege fraud in court... did Facebook buy them off too? You can become very wealthy instantly if you know something that literally nobody else does. Hint - we already know about the edited Youtube snippet and the on-line "affidavits" ("I solemnly swear I was suspicious").

In fact Trump's star attack lawyer Sidney Powell - the one with the KRAKEN of evidence - has now stated in court that "no reasonable person should have believed" her claims of voting machine fraud:

As for non-reasoning people... they still believe whatever Trump tells them to and parrot it mindlessly, promoting the Election Steal Big Lie to the shame and detriment of our nation.

"Facebook bought off the courts"; "Obama weaponized the FBI"... Will you simply believe anything?